Miscellaneous COVID-19/Corona Virus Discussion, Questions, etc.

[saint]

Is it me , or are they beginning to see and talk sense . Well done them .

[Doodoo]

I have a friend, who has a relative, that works with a Medical Professional (a Cleaner at the local Hospital or does she work in Accounting?) Anyway they said there are less people than the government is reporting or was it more.Were they from Korea, Japan,Uzbekistan, no no The Land of Oz it was ???

Anyway the number doesnt really matter or where they are from, could be next door, in the end the response to this Virus right now is what matters. Spreading unneeded info is dangerous and needs to end

Mask, soap/water, social distancing thats what we can do to help

[noosard]

All provincial governors have been told to brace for potential drastic measures to stop the spread of Covid-19 pandemic.

Interior Ministry permanent secretary Chatchai Phromlert issued on Saturday (April 5 ) an urgent order demanding all provincial governors to have action plans ready for drastic measures if the government's Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration steps up efforts to stop the spread of the new coronavirus.According to the order, all governors must be ready to do the following:▪︎ They have to prepare a local quarantine facility, including using private property for that purpose. ▪︎They must be ready to arrange makeshift hospitals, food and beverage stockpile, points for receiving donations and open channels for communicating with people.▪︎They have to make people better understand the need to combat the virus, such as by convincing people to stay at home and avoid any kind of travel. Local officials and local leaders have to jointly lay out action plans and do a trial run on how to implement them.▪︎They have to make a plan to prevent hoarding of goods and enforce the law strictly.

▪︎They have to have logistics action plans to ensure the transport of goods, consumer goods, and basic necessities. ▪︎They have to designate areas to hand out food and beverages to people in villages or local communities.According to the daily report on the Covid-19 situation, Thailand’s total number of patients rose to 2,169, with 102 new cases confirmed over a 24-hour period and three patients, including a foreigner, dying, Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman of the government's Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said on Sunday (April 5).Earlier, Thai authorities had indicated that if the numbers continued to rise, curfew hours may be expanded from the current 10pm to 4am.
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30385456

[sometimewoodworker]

I have a friend, who has a relative, that works with a Medical Professional (a Cleaner at the local Hospital or does she work in Accounting?) Anyway they said there are less people than the government is reporting or was it more.Were they from Korea, Japan,Uzbekistan, no no The Land of Oz it was ???

Anyway the number doesnt really matter or where they are from, could be next door, in the end the response to this Virus right now is what matters. Spreading unneeded info is dangerous and needs to end

Mask, soap/water, social distancing thats what we can do to help

You may be from the land of OZ and like the head in the sand approach.

I know the numbers being reported are low. I do happen to know the number of people under care in Udon and at another hospital in the province.

Yes, I know where 1 person became infected. No, I am not going to share my information or from whom it came. Yes, it is information not speculation.

However sarcastic you may be it is important to know that there are many more people actually in the hospital than the published numbers.

This should make it clear that the night curfew and quiet possible 24 hour lockdown are based on a situation that is more serious than it is being shown to be.

Thailand was one of the first countries outside China to have a known case. It was in December or early January and was mentioned on a BBC health program dated January 18th. It was surreal to listen to that programme

Thailand has either done a fantastic job or been extremely lucky up to now. It is in everybody’s interest to try to continue this. Claims that the infection is completely controlled with no new cases for a week or more are counterproductive.

[Udon Map]

I know the numbers being reported are low. I do happen to know the number of people under care in Udon and at another hospital in the province.

Yes, I know where 1 person became infected. No, I am not going to share my information or from whom it came. Yes, it is information not speculation.
...

Claims that the infection is completely controlled with no new cases for a week or more are counterproductive.

IMO no more so than your declining to share information about how many people are being treated in Udon or where/how they were infected.

[noosard]

The Thai Ministry of Defence has ordered the three armed forces to make space available for the setting up of field hospitals, and to prepare personnel to assist, should number of new COVID-19 infections overwhelm the current health system.
Spokesman for the Ministry, Lt-Gen Kongcheep Tantravanich, said today that, based on the current data, if the rate of infection does not slow before the middle of April, the existing healthcare system may not have the capacity to cope.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-milit ... t-in-case/

now these statements dont sound like under control

[glalt]

My 90 day check in is due. Before I make the 100 kilometer one way drive, I wanted to make sure the office was open. My wife spent an hour and a half calling a dozen Immigration numbers. Not a single answered call. The numbers just went ringing unanswered.

AND, yes, I tried to file online ten days before the due date. I got as far as filling in the worksheet. The submit button would not work. I am using the Chrome browser.

[noosard]

More unsettling news from Indonesia

In recent weeks, as the fight against COVID-19 intensifies, Indonesia has lost at least 20 medical professionals, including specialists, professors, hospital directors and nurses. Five of them reportedly died on Saturday alone.

According to the Indonesian Medical Association, several physicians have succumbed to the coronavirus. Besides fatigue, overworked health workers are also faced with a lack of protective equipment, even as many parties are rushing to help supply masks, hazmat suits and face shields.

The deeper concern is about managing the health crisis with limited medical facilities and an estimated national average of four doctors per 10,000 people.

As of Sunday, 2,273 people had tested positive for COVID-19 and 198 patients had died.

Without serious intervention, including mandatory physical distancing measures and mass testing using swab samples, not the less accurate rapid test kits, the nation is projected to have 2.5 million COVID-19 cases by the end of this month, according to the National Development Planning Agency and University of Indonesia public health experts.

And their death toll admitted in on offical list (198) is way different to what Jakarta Governor Anies Baswedan says (401)
https://www.thejakartapost.com/academia ... worst.html

[noosard]

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/202 ... gures.html

The truth has found away out of the leaky bucket
Hope other countries leaky buckets are exposed

[Barney]

Is it me , or are they beginning to see and talk sense . Well done them .

Saint absolutely not just you, the penny seems to have dropped for the govt and I agree with you it is a well done to them moment.
But like many things here the bangkok post probably doesn’t tell the whole story. Just a wait and see by the end of this week I suppose? Let’s hope for a stress relieving decision for foreigners no matter what visa or circumstance has them in Thailand.
One thing I have noticed and is also missing from this story is any requirement for additional Carona health insurance?
Could be a sting in the tail later. Let’s hope they spell out the proposal clearly.
The article says 500,000 tourists stuck in Thailand, even if this is a best quest, that many just spending even a modest 1,000 bht a day is good for the local shop keepers.


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[tamada]

My 90 day check in is due. Before I make the 100 kilometer one way drive, I wanted to make sure the office was open. My wife spent an hour and a half calling a dozen Immigration numbers. Not a single answered call. The numbers just went ringing unanswered.

AND, yes, I tried to file online ten days before the due date. I got as far as filling in the worksheet. The submit button would not work. I am using the Chrome browser.

As highlighted in another post, today is Chakri Day so Immigration and other government offices will be closed. maybe give it a shot tomorrow?

[saint]

If you go tomorrow i would point out to the guy organising the crowd regards safety , that you are only there for the 90 day report and how far youve traveled because their on line system was not working .
You may be treated with a little sympathy .

[saint]

Is it me , or are they beginning to see and talk sense . Well done them .

Saint absolutely not just you, the penny seems to have dropped for the govt and I agree with you it is a well done to them moment.
But like many things here the bangkok post probably doesn’t tell the whole story. Just a wait and see by the end of this week I suppose? Let’s hope for a stress relieving decision for foreigners no matter what visa or circumstance has them in Thailand.
One thing I have noticed and is also missing from this story is any requirement for additional Carona health insurance?
Could be a sting in the tail later. Let’s hope they spell out the proposal clearly.
The article says 500,000 tourists stuck in Thailand, even if this is a best quest, that many just spending even a modest 1,000 bht a day is good for the local shop keepers.


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What worries me is you just cant believe anything your told here .
I mean if it is only 20 dead , then without a doubt Thailand has dodged a bullit !
I seem to remember in the early days people were dying of Viral Pnumonia , because they didnt want to call it Corona as i was then , for fear of losing tourist revenue .
People with underlying conditions were dying from that condition and not the virus , even though they clearly had Corona.
Anything to massage the figures .
Have they counted the people dying at home , or only the ones dying in medical facilities ,
cuz you can bet your balls to a barn door , theres been a few elderly folks here who have died in the last few months .
How many of those poor souls were tested for the virus , post mortem .
My guess , none .
Whats listed as their cause of death , again i doubt it was the virus .

[FrazeeDK]

If there had been a huge amount of deaths from late January through now we'd have been hearing those boom boom boom fireworks at cremation ceremonies all day long.. Plus, Thai social media is such that there's not much chance of something as large as that would have been being covered up... "Dodged a bullet".. Yeah, perhaps.. You've got to consider the fact that tens of thousands (if not more) Chinese tourists were pouring into Thailand at the beginning of this year with many from Wuhan and Hubei Province. If I'm not mistaken the first 22 people who tested positive for COVID-19 in Thailand were Chinese tourists with many from Wuhan.. That being the case why didn't we see a rapid spread of the disease back then? Is it the tropical heat thing that some speculate kills the virus?? The culture here is all about group social activity; eating, drinking, partying in close proximity.. That in itself should have spread it like the wildfires in Chiang Mai Province! What's different here? It isn't the "Asian mask wearing" theory since prior to the virus, yeah some folks wore masks, particularly in Bangkok due to the high AQI, but not a huge percentage of the population... The numbers are probably not fudged, they're the numbers the hospitals/medical authorities get from positive tests and people in hospital. That leaves no or minimal symptom people in their homes probably not even realizing they're infected.. Until mass antibody testing takes place to get an idea as to how many people have already had COVID-19 (other than those already in the reporting database) I guess we won't know.

[noosard]

The village here had a run of deaths Dec Jan Feb seem like 2 or 3 a week
but the last month seems only a few
Wife suggested that the old folks have family here now looking after them
My thought is the Thai winter killed them off

[stattointhailand]

al jaz & euronews seem to be questioning Bojo's condition after govt spokesperson ducked a question about if the PM had pneumonia

Dont like his politics but still hope they are wrong and that he recovers soon

[tamada]

This is a reasonable critique of the Thai government's Covid-19 performance so far.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opi ... ning-curve

[tamada]

al jaz & euronews seem to be questioning Bojo's condition after govt spokesperson ducked a question about if the PM had pneumonia

Dont like his politics but still hope they are wrong and that he recovers soon

I may have mentioned in another thread that when growing up, whenever we heard a doctor or nurse describing a patient's condition as being, "As well as can be expected", it generally meant we've done as much as we can for now so let's see how it goes. This typically presaged the more ominous, "It's going to get worse before it gets better" that was indicative of the medics having thrown the towel in already and standing respectfully at a distance from the sick bed, head bowed, hand clasped on wrist.

Not wishing ill on anyone regardless of the politics but i hope he recovers. We've had Hancock and others suddenly passing their Covid-19 MOT after only 7-days. This caught me by surprise as self-isolation of the infected has always been a 14-day minimum affair with some advocating 21-days.

I haven't read any other mention of "1 week is enough" from any medical or non-medical sources anywhere. It does appear that younger people may recover quicker but at the same time, we are seeing more evidence of younger people getting sick and dying too.

[saint]

This is a reasonable critique of the Thai government's Covid-19 performance so far.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opi ... ning-curve

Excellent piece of reporting , and im suprised it was allowed to be published .
However it does emphasize how totally inept this government and its leadership is , and has been since they stole power .
So well done to the Bangkok post . About time someone has the balls to openly criticise Flipflop and his monied cronies .

[tamada]

^ Read some of her earlier opinion pieces. How she manages to keep the abject finger-pointing and screaming so well disguised is a lesson to us all. Right now, she's my Thai media superhero.