Australian federal politics

[AlexO]

BTW - none of us current members on UM will live to see nuclear power in Oz. Report after report shows that it just doesn't stack up economically, let alone environmentally.
Jacks prat
Explain to us lesser beings how a zero emission energy system does not 'stack up' environmentally. If the future of the planet is dependent on "cheap" sources of renewable power then I am afraid we are royally fecked.
Thats what got us here in the first place.

[Sport]

Greens, Teals and Labor are no doubt splitting their collective sides laughing after Potato Dutton's latest foot-in-mouth moment - "we don't want no emission reduction targets".
BTW - none of us current members on UM will live to see nuclear power in Oz. Report after report shows that it just doesn't stack up economically, let alone environmentally.

The honest Mr Dutton did not say that. He said he will ensure Oz does meet the accord by 2050, not 2030 by the lying manipulating albosleazy and foookwith bowen. Stick to the facts JS. Oz will have nuke in UM members lifetime unless you are nearing 100yo.

[jackspratt]

Jacks prat
Explain to us lesser beings how a zero emission energy system does not 'stack up' environmentally.

Very simple, Alex - just a couple here:

- nuclear waste
- non-renewable

ps .... it's jackspratt

[jackspratt]

The honest Mr Dutton did not say that. He said he will ensure Oz does meet the accord by 2050, not 2030 ......

How can he ensure something for 2050?

He is not even willing to set a target for 2030 before the election ie he is happy to keep voters guessing. How is that "honest"?

Anyway, the headlines have said it all. Pushing nuclear power, and refusing to clarify emissions targets will ensure that Dutton is shown the door at next year's election. If a strong Teal candidate contests his electorate, Dutton won't even be on the opposition benches.

[Whistler]

55 Dutton will be 80 in 2050, I doubt if he will be much of an influence. Mind you, he will be toast from a political point of view by 2030 anyhow. His policy is not to have a policy, brilliant!

[AlexO]

Jacks prat
Explain to us lesser beings how a zero emission energy system does not 'stack up' environmentally.

Very simple, Alex - just a couple here:

- nuclear waste
- non-renewable

ps .... it's jackspratt

Nuclear waste.
Easy, encase in concrete, dig a hole in some uninhabited desert that makes up huge parts of Australia, sorted, plus amounts required to provide huge amounts of 'green' energy are relatively small.
Non renewable?
So windmills and solar panels renew themselves! Nuclear power stations normally have around a 50 year lifespan (can the same be said for other forms of so called renewable sources, also enough uranium available to provide nuclear power for hundreds of years, can the same be said of the chemicals required for solar panels, lubricants for windmills etc.

[wazza]

Last Roy Morgan poll over a week ago shows 2 PP to Labor and if an election was held , Labor would be returned with an increased majority.

Teals to loose 1 seat from AEC North Shore distribution review ?

Going to an election with a policy that will only be released if elected is just plain stupid

Greens, Teals and Labor are no doubt splitting their collective sides laughing after Potato Dutton's latest foot-in-mouth moment - "we don't want no emission reduction targets".

So the (fake) Libs (sic) and Agrarian Socialist Nats have decided to start up the Climate Wars again for next year's election.

Wipeout predicted - haven't they learned by now?

BTW - none of us current members on UM will live to see nuclear power in Oz. Report after report shows that it just doesn't stack up economically, let alone environmentally.

[Whistler]

Jacks prat
Explain to us lesser beings how a zero emission energy system does not 'stack up' environmentally.

Very simple, Alex - just a couple here:

- nuclear waste
- non-renewable

ps .... it's jackspratt

Nuclear waste.
Easy, encase in concrete, dig a hole in some uninhabited desert that makes up huge parts of Australia, sorted, plus amounts required to provide huge amounts of 'green' energy are relatively small.
Non renewable?
So windmills and solar panels renew themselves! Nuclear power stations normally have around a 50 year lifespan (can the same be said for other forms of so called renewable sources, also enough uranium available to provide nuclear power for hundreds of years, can the same be said of the chemicals required for solar panels, lubricants for windmills etc.

I have no idealogical views on nuclear, and Alex hits the nail on the head when he talks about the suitability for Australia to be not just domestic but an international storage spot for spent nuclear fuel. Besides, I would love to see scorpions the size of an elephant.

The proponents for nucleur power right now, never explain why we should adopt a technology that today is about 400% more expensive than wind.

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The cost of wind and solar has plummeted while the cost of nuclear is rising rapidly.

The decision should be fact based, right now nuclear does not stack up as a practical option. The best option for nuclear is more research with a view of identifying a cost effective reactor.

I would suggest the most promising alternative is green hydrogen but that technology is immature, however given investment in H power, I expect in the next decade we will know if it is real or simply dreaming.

[wazza]

Another graph

[Sport]

The honest Mr Dutton did not say that. He said he will ensure Oz does meet the accord by 2050, not 2030 ......

How can he ensure something for 2050?
He is not even willing to set a target for 2030 before the election ie he is happy to keep voters guessing. How is that "honest"?
Anyway, the headlines have said it all. Pushing nuclear power, and refusing to clarify emissions targets will ensure that Dutton is shown the door at next year's election. If a strong Teal candidate contests his electorate, Dutton won't even be on the opposition benches.
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How can he ensure something for 2050? LOL. How can the current mob of morons ensure something by 2030 let alone 2050. Bring on nuke power with a couple of green dreaming ideas, maybe. Nuke power is not that expensive compared to the green dreaming.

[Whistler]

The honest Mr Dutton did not say that. He said he will ensure Oz does meet the accord by 2050, not 2030 ......

How can he ensure something for 2050?
He is not even willing to set a target for 2030 before the election ie he is happy to keep voters guessing. How is that "honest"?
Anyway, the headlines have said it all. Pushing nuclear power, and refusing to clarify emissions targets will ensure that Dutton is shown the door at next year's election. If a strong Teal candidate contests his electorate, Dutton won't even be on the opposition benches.
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How can he ensure something for 2050? LOL. How can the current mob of morons ensure something by 2030 let alone 2050. Bring on nuke power with a couple of green dreaming ideas, maybe. Nuke power is not that expensive compared to the green dreaming.

Yep, could not agree more Sport, Australia badly need electricity prices to rise by 400%

[wazza]

Peter's brain freeze

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Who makes up the Coalition in Australian politics?

I just saw a debate on Australian B.C. in which the three-person debaters and the moderator kept mentioning the Coalition. I only caught the name of one debater, Olivia Ireland of The Age, as they posted her name on the screen. I think the first name of the male was Jack, and the other female was Stephanie. The issues they discussed were climate change, the visit to Australia by the Chinese Premier, and banning kids under 16 from using social media.

It seems both major parties agree that social media should be banned for those under 16 although Mr. Dutton wants this done faster than the Labor government is currently moving. That's according to the panelists. Also, the panel agrees that it is a good thing if China-Australia relations improve.

The major topic for debate was climate change and if the nuclear option is feasible for Australia in the short term. Apparently, the Coalition is waiting for the next election prior to issuing a policy statement. On the other hand, the Labor Prime Minister is saying that the 2030 deadline for reducing carbon emissions will happen on time. As the panel observed, Australia's rising cost of living is an issue that might be more important to voters in the next election than climate change. If so, it might make climate change almost a side issue, at least one that will be less important to the electorate.

[Whistler]

The coalition comprises the Liberal party and the national.party.

Liberals are broadly conservative and tend to come from urban areas.

The Nstionals are more conservative and come from rural Australia

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Thanks. I was wondering if the Coalition might be the Liberals and the Greens. Clearly, that wouldn't fly.

[jackspratt]

Uncle, you should be aware - perhaps you are - that the "Liberals" are lying when they use that name.

They are anything but liberal.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Uncle, you should be aware - perhaps you are - that the "Liberals" are lying when they use that name.

They are anything but liberal.

Yes, I have picked up on that, but regressed and thought that liberals and greens should be able to partner as in British North America. Although some centrist Liberals and Conservatives still exist in Canada, most of the Liberals can be identified as socialists these days. There is nothing wrong with identifying as a socialist as there is nothing wrong with identifying as a small (c) conservative either. Does any of this make sense? Probably not. Let's get back to taxes on pensions.

[AlexO]

The proponents for nucleur power right now, never explain why we should adopt a technology that today is about 400% more expensive than wind.

The real reason is it is 100% reliable, do you ever wonder why Navy's dont have sails any more.
I would also question the 400% more expensive argument, over a life span of a Nuclear Plant.
Even if it is (very doubtful) is cost the real denomiter in saving the planet.

[wazza]

Sums it up nicely

[Sport]

And this mob of kooonts, namely Casanova bowen, albosleazy and the rest of the commo party labor have signed off on an offshore wind farm on the south coast of NSW in the Kiama and Shoalhaven areas. Over 300 wind mills will be constructed off this beautiful coastline. They have total disregard for the over 30,000 whales that head north for birthing then return south to feed.

The towns along that coast are up in arms about this development who can blame them. Tourism and fishing will be a thing of the past. There is no infrastructure in place, unloading these windmills from commo china are not in place, the roads and towns will be a disaster for traffic.

And at what cost, more loaned money from overseas and Aussies will be paying through the nose for generations. This foooked up labor mob have no regard for Aussies. With the arrival of the commie premier qiang today, albosleazy will be crawling up his aasss.

The mid north coast in the Hunter region is another dream for these windmills to be built offshore. Again total disregard for the community and the huge whale migrations and fishing.

Sums it up nicely

What carpark Waz.