Paedophile

[Khun Paul]

You changed under age from under 15 to under 18. Officially, according to the law any person under the age of 18 is a minor and thus relationships or sexual contacts with them are forbidden to adults.

Last and not least, let us in depth explore the underage comments made by many and I have quoted one.
uderage is as so rightly said is Under 18, but those of us who have lived here for some time also are too well aware that in fact in the sticks as it were, 14 and over is deemed appropriate for a young couple to undergo a village wedding. This may to some of us seem wrong but it happens all the same. The authorities turn a blind eye to it and so it continues. There is high price paid for Girl;s who are Virgins and that practise is still ongoing, ( look at the number of young ladies who ply us all with drinks) by the time they have reached the legal age to serve drinks many of them have a, beem married ( in some form or another, b, had at least one to two children.

We are also forgetting the main thrust of the story centered on Lao girls whose parents look upon this as an money making operation as do the girls also in question in many cases and Lao morals although may be higer that Thais in their country or so it seems, are in fact lower if money making opportunities come to light.

On a personal note I am aware that in a village not far from me a young lady ( NO GIRL ) recieved a 10% cut off a fee paid to her mother for this said girl to go off with this man to live with him. The fee the girl recived was in excass of 35,ooo baht. Slkavery by another name or what, and no doubt if the girl falls pregnant she will then be discarded, just another statistic on Thailands pile of human abused people.

Who said Thais are happy smilimng people have obviously never really accepted the truth that while Thailand and its people accept this and other practices which abuse and treat humans has slaves sex or not, it WILL never be able to get rid of the title of a Sex Tourism Country.

[nkstan]

I believe you are right,KP.Generally speaking,the cultural thinking and acceptance regarding human rights is such that it is hard to see a change in our lifetime ,if ever!

[KHONDAHM]

Kuhn Paul and BKSTAN, I could not agree with you both more. Another travesty is the recent phenomena of village girls now growing up - no scratch that - being raised with the ambition of finding and marrying a foreigner as a career objective. I know of several just in my wife's village. These are little girls not yet in puberty. That's their reply when asked what do they want to be when they grow up. "Mia falang!" and their parents grin proudly at the answer their precious has just given.

Worse, and on a more personal note, I fear my neice may have managed (willfully) to get into the trade recently. At a funeral I attended a few days ago, I spoke again with this neice who is barely 16 who "went to Bangkok and got a job working at KFC". When I last saw her in October, she could barely shyly say "How are you.". Now her English is far more advanced, she is preoccupied with how she looks, and exhibits certain "bargirl" behaviors which I certainly noticed if the relatives didn't. All this is relavent because she was first person to surprise me with the answer of wanting to grow up and be a "Mia falang" - 4 years ago when she was barely 12!

It is a tragedy that in more cases than one would want to know about, peasant families are actively encouraging pedophilia.

[parrot]

KD,
As more and more falangs move into the moo-bahn, I've thought about this problem quite a bit. Poor family with a daughter sees a falang marry a neighbor's daughter. Fancy house, new truck, instantly-nice clothes, ticket out of the ricefields. How many times I've seen a falang hanging clothes with the wife or helping clean up the yard.......while in my neighborhood, I regularly see women (sometimes pregnant) hauling a load of dirt/water while hubby lounges in the hammock.
In today's age, the girl may, or may not be someone who worked in a bar/club. Oh, and the daughter's parents got a nice cash award for allowing their daughter to marry the falang. To me, it's only a wonder that 'every' girl doesn't have the same dream.
As for defining the terms of pedophilia, if the law in my home country says don't touch until 18, then I'd be wary of touching over here, even if the locals seem to encourage it.

There's a book to be written on the reasons for girls/parents to bail out of the villages with abandon......unfortunately I'm not an author. Anyone know of a more modern author with the credentials of a person like William J. Klausner, please point me in the direction

[Texpat]

I agree parrot. Compared with the alternative, marrying a farang is at least on par and in most circumstances far better than marrying a local village boy who stands a very good chance of running off when her belly starts to grow or at the first sign of irritation or conflict.

[hangsaboot]

[quote="parrot"]KD,
As more and more falangs move into the moo-bahn, I've thought about this problem quite a bit. Poor family with a daughter sees a falang marry a neighbor's daughter. Fancy house, new truck, instantly-nice clothes, ticket out of the ricefields. How many times I've seen a falang hanging clothes with the wife or helping clean up the yard.......while in my neighborhood, I regularly see women (sometimes pregnant) hauling a load of dirt/water while hubby lounges in the hammock.
In today's age, the girl may, or may not be someone who worked in a bar/club. Oh, and the daughter's parents got a nice cash award for allowing their daughter to marry the falang. To me, it's only a wonder that 'every' girl doesn't have the same dream.

just read a topic ,,
westerners follow thai brides to live in hard up north west
on thaivisa.com isaan forum ...
there,s a few interesting comments / statistics ..

[Khun Paul]

While I agree the last few posts, which are relevant . They are in fact missing the point, we were talking about Paedophilia, which the act of male having sexual relations with a girl who is eithr too young or in some cases underage for marriage.

Whilst many families seek a farang ( foreigner ) to marry their offspring many and most stop at really young girls marrying while at that age.

The original article was concerning the sexual exploitation for gain or greed of these young ladies who in the main come from Lao. We are only too well aware of exploitation by Thai Mums and Dads hoping their daughter find a NICE foreigner to marry their daughter but that is marriage. The start of this post was about Prostitution or Sexual Exploitation, no matter how you say it, involving young girls WHO are considered in most countries to be under age.

[Jai]

Honestly I really don't want to buy into the *** debate --- other then to just ask, re the question of age--- so the story from this Blog which BKK Thai's tell me is correct, & was reported in their newspapers 5 years ago.....is not so...or the law has now been changed......... ??

http://www.mangosauce.com/news/thai_law ... aggers.php
26/02/2005

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In our first story, Khun Tavich, a veteran politician seemingly fell head over heels in love when he was 76 years old for the charms of Khun Petchaporn, a 14 year old girl who worked in the Milin tea shop across the road from the Parliament building. After a busy morning passing bills and chairing committees, Khun Tavich would pop over the road and gaze adoringly at her. Such was his love that he eventually asked the girl's mother and auntie if he could take her as his wife (which of course he never did).
Well the inevitable happened, and sometime later our waitress found herself with a child and in need of financial support. In court, our politician now 80 years old and frail claimed from his wheel chair "I'm not the father. It wasn't me - it was my chauffeur". The judge didn't believe him and ordered that he pay 40,000 Baht to the mother every month until the child reached 20 years.
Beside the obvious point, albeit with hindsight, that he could have had an awful lot of nookie for 40,000 Baht a month, the story also raises the question how was it possible for him to have carnal relations with a 14 year old girl when it is illegal in Thailand with girls under 18 years old. The answer, apparently, is that it is possible providing you have parental permission.
Hence, if any Mango Sauce reader has the importunate to be caught with Khun Noo, a shapely 17 years and 364 day old go-go dancer, in a short time hotel, he should not worry but simply say "M' Lud. I'm innocent. I got permission from Noo's mum and auntie first

Our second story concerns Pra Khru, the abbot of Wat Don Yai i

[Kevro]

Hi Locals,

We just had a paedophile (By definition) in our village. He told us he was in that he had been caught with an underage girl (Not something I would be talking about) with false ID (So he claims but still makes him that in my books). He was then confronted with the parents who wanted money for his indiscretion (200,000 baht actually) to keep it from police. Was it a con or intentional, I don't know. He is a fat sleazy Macedonian who has lived in Australia for 44 years so he says and still sounds like Macedonian mafia with the gravelly voice.

He is in our village to believe it or not to get married to his girlfriend of 2 months. She is a primary school teacher in our village. Does she know about this previous indiscretion? I don't think so.

Just before he had to return to Australia for a visa and other business he propositioned a lady at the local market shop (100 metres from his girlfriends house for 500 baht who also happens to be the local gossip). She is over the limit age. wise. About 3 days before he had been denied a marriage to this teacher by who I don't know.

Is he just stupid (Highly likely from my conversations with him) or is it a part of a cunning plan.

Little worried

Kevro

[Jai]

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or is it a part of a cunning plan.

A cunning plan for what Kevro.............

[Kevro]

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or is it a part of a cunning plan.

A cunning plan for what Kevro.............

Jai

Teachers have links to kids. Call me paranoid but tell me it has'nt happened before. Not saying he was'nt set up either but the guys a fool.

Kevro

[Jello]

Hi Locals,

We just had a paedophile (By definition) in our village.

By who's definition?

Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>

Although there is a wide range of normal ages, girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10, boys at age 12.Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty>

Calling someone a *** is a serious accusation to make and could cause him a lot of trouble if you continue to spread this rumor.

There's a big diffrence between someone who preys on girls under 10 and someone who has a night out with a 17 yo bargirl.

I believe the OP misused the term "***" as the title of this post. The subject the OP is actually talking about is sex with a underage/minor or trafficking of minors for the purpose of sex. Not Pedophilia.

[jackspratt]

Good post Jello. =D>

I suggest you now batten down the hatches, awaiting the inevitable responses from those who value labels over facts.

[Khun Paul]

Paedophile is a person who does in fact interfere and abuse young girls for sexual purposes or even just looking for personal sexual gratification, in that you are right. However due to the press and other sources of infomation, it has been used maybe incorrectly to label ALL those who enjoy young girls for any sort of reason if sex was involved or not. So apart from battening down the hatches let us all admit that anything involving young girls for any reason is NOT acceptable, label or not and in relation to calling someone a paedophile it was my understanding that the person freely admitted his actions.
But as in so many cases involving this occasionally reason goes out the window and accusations flourish with gay abandon. We have to be certain of something before we accuse, failure could be very costly.

[Kevro]

Hi Locals,

We just had a paedophile (By definition) in our village.

By who's definition?

Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia>

Although there is a wide range of normal ages, girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10, boys at age 12.Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty>

Calling someone a *** is a serious accusation to make and could cause him a lot of trouble if you continue to spread this rumor.

Jello,

He is the one telling us including an age ( not a big number) to one of our fellow villagers (Falang). He paid his way out. I suspect it was a set up but who can say. He is a fool for even mentioning his stupidity. May he roast in hell.

Kevro

There's a big diffrence between someone who preys on girls under 10 and someone who has a night out with a 17 yo bargirl.

I believe the OP misused the term "***" as the title of this post. The subject the OP is actually talking about is sex with a underage/minor or trafficking of minors for the purpose of sex. Not Pedophilia.

[Khun Paul]

Well I don't for one if you read my posts you would understand, we are arguing over words not the actions of some which by all accounts we all abhor.

The comments made are valid and one should not try to be complacent , any idea that in Udon there was a place for underage sexual intercourse would in my view raise the possibility of people travelling just for that. Based on over 30 years dealing with neer-do-wells, I think I can guess with a certain degree of accuracy that some, will take advantage of the publicity. The major problem is that as with anything of a criminal nature the offenders or the abusers call them what you will, will
a Not advertise what they are doing
b, normally will try and blend in with whatever scene they are in
c, In reality unless you know a person well you wont know.
The original post was in my view highlighting a fact that many did not know about and now that they do, forwarned is forearmed.

[Jello]

Kevro,
I did read your post and understood that this guy said he was caught with a "underage girl". He did not say he is a *** and his actions do not indicate that he is.

My issue is that a few people on this forum are quick to use the **** label without realizing the true meaning of the word or how much damage you can cause with it.

A friend of mine in the US had a big problem with this. I'll call him Bob. Bob was a high school teacher and is married with 2 children. I've always thought of him as a good guy until he made big stupid mistake. After teaching at the school for nearly 10 years with no problems, Bob had an affair with a 17 year old student. When he was caught, he got his well deserved punishment from the legal system and the school board.

Being a first offence, for sex with a minor Bob got 1 year in jail, x-number of hours community service and several years of probation. He will never again be able to teach, and he is not allowed to be in any position that involve minors. He got what he deserved.

What he didn't deserve is what happened after serving his time in jail. Rumors were circulating that he was a ***. In the US the word *** conjures up the image of some guy in a van sitting outside a playground waiting to snatch up some 10 year old girl. This was not what Bob did or would do. Regardless of that, someone vandalized his house and spray painted **** on his house and car.

The local grade school acting on the rumors sent a note home with the children stating that a known *** was living in the area and to be vigilant in watching their children. As you can imagine, this caused widespread panic. In the end, he was receiving death threats from someone convinced that he was a child molester. He put his house up for sale and moved his family to another city.

No court or news report labeled him a ****. This happened because individuals labeled him a ****, and took action on the word, not the facts.

So what would you do? Hang him high for a one time affair with a 17 year old or let the poor fool serve his time and get on with his life?

[jackspratt]

Jello, another great post. =D>

You are reporting on a country which prides itself on being a beacon of common sense and justice. Unfortunately, this is clearly not true.

There was a report in The Economist a couple of months ago of a 17 year old girl who gave her 16 year old boyfriend a blowjob, and was busted. She is now (10 years later) a registered sex offender, with no future prospects, other than being subject to a crazy system where, amongst other lunacies, judges and police are elected ie at the mercy of the lowest common denominator.

[Khun Paul]

Which is what I said, labels can and do stick, due to it being a very emotive subject.
It is a label used as the other corrct labels do NOT conjure up the right reponse. Sad but true.
The matter has come to its ulimate end may I suggest that this post be closed as I am beginning to weary of the same old same old stories about people being or not being. it seems to have lsot its lustre as it were.
Mods can do ????????????????

[panick]

Paedophile is a person who does in fact interfere and abuse young girls for sexual purposes

AND young boys!! ( please don't forget the catholic priests! )