Working without permit

[pienmash]

Oh dear. I hope posters aren't going so far as asserting that abiding by the law is so important that farang who pay for hanky panky in Thailand, which is I understand illegal, shouldn't be in Thailand. There would be a lot fewer white faces left in Thailand.

If the truth be known ,,,,,,,,, and this will ruffle a few feathers .........the MAIN and first REASON a large percentage of expats chose to make LOS their perminant home is ........ THE PUSSY .... n tho ilegal i cant see the hanky panky laws changing any time soon .... tiz my OP that more n more pale faces of varying nationalities will come t settle here ....

Oh yeh the climate n culture ,,,as well .......as the flange .

Back on topic ,,,,,, working without permit ... DONT ... or if DO dont whinge if caught .... it isnt difficult to get a WP for a legitinate position .

mash

[hippo]

But how ( here in Udon Thani ) certain foreigners fail to work (i know someone have restaurant and bar) without a work permit ??
Why immigration not check ??

Sometimes the Thai people to be too good to strangers ...... while these foreigners working without a work permit always speak ill of the Thai people

[harmonyudon]

Oh dear. I hope posters aren't going so far as asserting that abiding by the law is so important that Farang who pay for hanky panky in Thailand, which is I understand illegal, shouldn't be in Thailand. There would be a lot fewer white faces left in Thailand.

I think up till now Udon is very tolerant towards this issue. Also for example towards the girly bar business, whether its fully Thai owned or not, cause ladydrinks and barfines are by the law still forbidden.

It can cause problems when a business who does not operate according to the Thai laws and regulations cause there are Thai and Farang snitches and narks, in this case of the OP an ex-misses. Envy/jealousy is usually the reason for those narks and snitches.

...But his ex missus blew the whistle on him. Now his is in BKK jail.

Or, when one or more officials for whatever reason does not like you or does not want that you operate in a certain business or in a certain area.

I have never given envelops to hanky pankies, also for so the so called music hanky pankies, except some times for not wearing helmets en 1 time for alcohol control after consuming few big Heinekens and was not drunk.
Som-Num-Na me.

[pienmash]

But how ( here in Udon Thani ) certain foreigners fail to work (i know someone have restaurant and bar) without a work permit ??
Why immigration not check ??

Sometimes the Thai people to be too good to strangers ...... while these foreigners working without a work permit always speak ill of the Thai people

Hippo .. quote ... why immigration not check ?

Thats a good question ,, i dont know if they check on a routine basis or just work off tip offs from informants whether they be jealous sh8t stirrers , ex wives / gfriends , business rivals etc etc ..

,,,,,,,, or as in my case immo were told a total load of BS just to try to make problems for me ,, the laughable part about this was that when the immo boys dropped in WE told them the name of the Thai person who requested they visit me and the Farang behind it all ..... suggesting i had no passport , visa , work permit and i was wanted by Interpol for being a member of a radical group known as the SUFC .......sausage laundering no doubt .

If an expat wants to work here and the poston is with a legitimate company then there is no excuse not to get a WP ,, it is not difficult .... and costs approx 30k if done thru a lawyer.... if a bar counts as a legitiamte business or is formed as a working company is the question ,, most if i suspect will not be .

mash

[harmonyudon]

But how ( here in Udon Thani ) certain foreigners fail to work (i know someone have restaurant and bar) without a work permit ??
Why immigration not check ??

Sometimes the Thai people to be too good to strangers ...... while these foreigners working without a work permit always speak ill of the Thai people

Hippo .. quote ... why immigration not check ?

Cause most of these cases the license to operate is in Thai name. They have to prove that the Farang works and catch him in action.

Someone who is in Udon since the Vietnam war told me a story about one of the first Farang establishment. It was from his wife or gfr and he was most the time there. They accused him of being the marketing manager. If you not sit here Farangs would not come. True or not true, they will find something if they target on you for what ever reason.

Another trick is. They asked the staff: "who is the boss"? If the staff points at you ..........

[Firfox]

I fully agree with Mash if you want to be part of a legitimate business and work you need to get all the necessary paperwork. My wife has an English school and although it took some time to get an opreating license from the MOE she eventually secured one. Prior to this she had to set up a Ltd company with three Thai share holders in order to run a school. Only after going through all this process could she then apply for me to get a work permit in order to be able to teach in her school. Yes lots of hassle and at times very frustrating but I know have peace of mind that I have all the necessary papers, permits and visas to be able to work here legally. There are many schools here and the competition is fierce. I do not care about their legal status only my own but I am wise enough to know that as a foreigner I stand out like a spare pr***k at a wedding.

One never knows when some one will call immigration about you and your legal status. It could be local competition or just born out of some one not wanting to see you have a good life here in Udon. I actually have two work permits for I work in two different locations. Total cost 3,000 baht each. Paying 6,000 baht every year is alot better than a 20,000 fine and possible deportation.

Andy

[hippo]

I wanted to remind all those who work in Thai without a work permit for their fault, Thai embassy in Vientiane to issue a tourist visa with much difficulty for the simple reason that they know that many foreigners work without having the requirements.

Please read the attached document which is in Thai embassy in Vientiane, and real tourists like me thank you very foreigners who have made ​​sure that this happened.

[jim beam]

I am all for snitching on illegal workers... Illegal workers are spoiling it for honest tourists and honest non immigrants... I have my eye on someone at the moment... is that someone you...?

[fatbob]

by jim beam » March 7, 2013, 10:56 am

I am all for snitching on illegal workers... Illegal workers are spoiling it for honest tourists and honest non immigrants... I have my eye on someone at the moment... is that someone you...?

Any one who snitches on some one else is a low life dog, period!

[harmonyudon]

Mod Note:
Off topic post removed.
The subject is Working without a Work Permit

[singhma]

Hello Mr Pienmash,

If I could ask a question or two of you please, nothing personal.
When you started your business, did you form a Company yourself, without a Thai person involved?
If with Thai person, what are the steps taken to do this please.
Even a brief explanation would be great.

Thanks in advance if you reply.

Cheers

[Firfox]

Hi Singhma

You cannot form a company in Thailand without any Thai sharteholder involvement for there needs to be a higher Thai ownership of shares compared to percentage of shares held by the non Thai shareholder (s).

In regard to forming a company you need at least three shareholders.

First you apply too register the company name (good to apply with three options). When the name or one of the options is accepted you have thirty days to register your company. At this stage you will have to show who your share holders are and what percentage of shares they will have in the company. Dependent on what assestts the company will register will dictate how much you have to pay at this stage. One year ago to register 2 million baht cost 11,000 baht. Once your paperwork comes back all the shareholders need to sign the documents and these will need sealing with your company stamp. You have to have this made at a printers (many in Udon). The best way to get through this process without any hassle is to hire the services of an accountant. The service charge for our company to be formed was 5,000 baht.

If you want the company to apply for a work permit it must be registered for 2 million baht and employ 2 to 4 thai nationals for every work permit the company wishes to apply for. The company will have to be registered for tax and social security. The compamy also has to have its accounts audited once every year.

Hope this helps

[singhma]

Hi..Thanks Firfox, for your detailed answer.
So, is only the services of Accountant needed.?
Also, with regarding shareholders, can they be workers as well?

Thanks in advance if you are able to answer the above.

Have a good day.

[Firfox]

Hi Singhma

I will have to be brief for I am rushing out.

Yes, a good accountant will do everything for you and your shareholders. You all just need to be on hand to sign and advise as and when required.

In regard to whether shareholders can be employees? I assume you are referring to them making up the tally of Thai workers required for a work permit application. This is a 'grey area' for some Labour offices allow this and others do not. In my case this was not allowed.

Hoope this answers your questions

Kind regards

[harmonyudon]

Any one who snitches on some one else is a low life dog, period!

If I warn Udon Farangs that I am sure and experienced myself that there are snitches and narks and who they are and the reaction from others are usually: "I know both parties and don't have problems with both parties so its none of my business."

Others react like: " i would "out the guy" very publicly and loudly so others would know who to avoid and who to send to coventry".

I did, but no one seems to bother.

We warn in many threads publicly about Thai TOLEH women but warning about Farangs seems to be undone in Udon.

[mortiboy]

Well, George , I often wonder the time I played music at your bar.
Not received any pay of course. But could have been pulled!
That were lucky!

[Khun Paul]

With relation to the OP title, thanks to our 'Friends ' from eastern europe buggering up pattaya and phuket, all actions relating to businesses and wP'S ARE NOW UNDER A A STRICTER REGIME than before, in reality they are operating all the rules not the ones that are easier.
recently there has been a strict rule about thai members of businesses where the Thai peole have been asked to ensure they have the mony to support their membership.
It si getting harder DUE TO the ignornat self seeking, people who circumnavigate the law ( especially foreigners )

[harmonyudon]

Especially foreigners???
Very difficult discussion KP. In the example of the OP here is perhaps the Farang happy that his wife can open a school and maybe he did the finance also. Then the wife asked him, can you help me to hangup this lamp? (for example).

And please don't say but this is not a bar or restaurant or nightclub.

[WBU ALUM]

There is a saying in some countries: "If you're gonna do the crime, you gotta do the time."

It applies to Thailand, too. Work without a permit at your own risk.

[douglas]

Hi,
WBU, you have hit the nail on the head.