Working without permit

[ronan01]

There is a saying in some countries: "If you're gonna do the crime, you gotta do the time."

It applies to Thailand, too. Work without a permit at your own risk.

Hi There WBU,

Have not seen you post for a while and note you are in London - is this permament?

[WBU ALUM]

Hi There WBU,

Have not seen you post for a while and note you are in London - is this permament?

No way. Happy to report that I'm in Thailand for good, but traveling extensively.

[harmonyudon]

There is a saying in some countries: "If you're gonna do the crime, you gotta do the time."

It applies to Thailand, too. Work without a permit at your own risk.

If the business is on a thai name (partner) you may not help at all at the premises of that business...???

If your house is in name of your wife Im wondering if you may supervise construction work.....????

If the farang indeed actively manages the business and is to be considered as the responsible boss, it differs.
Worst, if the business licence is just on a thai name and license holder is never there.

The law=the law and for my above example of hanging up a lamp, I would take that risk of that 'crime'.

[WBU ALUM]

There is a saying in some countries: "If you're gonna do the crime, you gotta do the time."

It applies to Thailand, too. Work without a permit at your own risk.

If the business is on a thai name (partner) you may not help at all at the premises of that business...???

If your house is in name of your wife Im wondering if you may supervise construction work.....????

If the farang indeed actively manages the business and is to be considered as the responsible boss, it differs.
Worst, if the business licence is just on a thai name and license holder is never there.

The law=the law and for my above example of hanging up a lamp, I would take that risk of that 'crime'.

I didn't quote any Thai Law. I simply said it is wise to follow the law -- whatever it is.

[Khun Paul]

Whatever, one does if it is construed by the powers that you are working, whether you agree or not. if they say you are working , you are ! So beware, good boss bad boss, matters not , some have been here for yars got by quite comfortably with little or no permits . licences to do anything, good luck to them maybe they are not so conspicious as others. I have no idea. I know one or two that stay below the radar and good luck to them. i have cuatiuoned that should the BIB pop by things could turn out worse, but thats all I have said.
As it has beenn said working no permit bloody silly and I do not really think for one minute putting up a light for your wife could be construed as work, do try to keep this discussion which is a complicated issue on an even keel.

[WBU ALUM]

Whatever, one does if it is construed by the powers that you are working, whether you agree or not. if they say you are working , you are !

BINGO!

One can only follow the law as best as one can. Sawing wood in front of my home to build shelves in a closet may be okay yesterday, but I'll be collared for it tomorrow. It's just the nature of the way things are.

[harmonyudon]

.....I do not really think for one minute putting up a light for your wife could be construed as work, do try to keep this discussion which is a complicated issue on an even keel.

From the OP:

He states he never taught yet, just "setting up"

Don't know what Mortiboy means by 'setting up'??

Hanging all lamps in stead of one lamp, painting the class, helping with other decoration ??? Its forbidden.
In Pattaya was someone arrested cause he hung up a sign outside a bar or restaurant from his wife/gfr. They caught him in action.

In my previous post i was wondering if painting your wife's house is forbidden or supervising your wife's new house in construction ? Does anyone know?

[mortiboy]

Don't know what Mortiboy means by 'setting up'?? .......... Not me! I never say! [-X

[mortiboy]

AHH I see! Ok. The Bloke told the police he was "Setting up" a teaching business for his Wife.
Didn't seem to work anyway. Got deported..... Yet is back now !

[mortiboy]

The things I've done in and around the house .Never had a problem.Even built a house at the farm I once had.
Made a drive way out side house.For all to see.
All I got was "WOW Farang not lazy he work work so much" .... Bless em!

[harmonyudon]

@Mortiboy, You never had a problem doing construction work? But is it permitted?

Is it permitted to do some construction work yourself for your wife's house or to help a friend's house doing some (supervising) construction work, against or not against payment.

Lets say I have a bar ( or a house) hand and I asked a Farang electrician: can you do some electric work for me I pay you xxxxx baht. Is this permitted?

We regularly see posts about what is permitted or not permitted referring mostly to those who open businesses on name of their Thai partner or those who help their partner's existing business (unpaid) or about having or not having a music license etc..etc.. (for example: "i see him cooking and cleaning, what a fool")

"Obey the law and regulations" is their message.

But for working without a workpermit in private situation, whether you earn money or not and IF this is illegal, is so it seems for many posters ok.

[Frankie 1]

In my previous post i was wondering if painting your wife's house is forbidden or supervising your wife's new house in construction ? Does anyone know?

If it's a private home, it's also your home = a private situation and thus not work. You can paint your own wall, do your own plumbing and do your own gardening.

However, if this house is part of your wife's business (a business establishment) it's an another story.

I think it depends on the situation. If you hang up a sign for your wife's business, and you tell the police that you are helping her to set up the business, it's illegal work.

The guy could have been a little bit smarter, an tell the police that the only thing he did was only to hang up the sign because the Thai people who were supposed to hang up the sign didn't show up, he probably wouldn't have any problem.

[WBU ALUM]

If immigration wants to get you, they can get you. They make the rules, and the rules are up to the discretion of the immigration officer. That is plain as day on almost every list of requirements.

The only test is to do what you think would be acceptable work -- in and around your own home and your own non-business possessions (as I often do), and you should be within the guidelines of the law; but there is no guarantee. If they want to make you miserable, they can. Good luck.

[mortiboy]

My Latest worry! I want cut about two acres of long grass with a Strimmer.
Really dense mass. There is a quite large Soi outside house. Quite busy at times.
If I get into action with my mean Machine, Me scare someone report Farang working!
Obviously most Thai people dont know the law. But Only needs one person drop you in the **** !
Guess better get a Thai "Worker do" I already inquired, wants 2,500 baht .... same price My machine!

[harmonyudon]

If they want to make you miserable, they can. Good luck.

Here are some interesting examples with also involvement of farang snitchers.
http://www.thai-discovery.com/forum/top ... rk-permit/

So, you are warned if you are doing some shopping at tesco, villa or makro for your (business) friend.

[Astana]

If they want to make you miserable, they can. Good luck.

Here are some interesting examples with also involvement of farang snitchers.
http://www.thai-discovery.com/forum/top ... rk-permit/

So, you are warned if you are doing some shopping at tesco, villa or makro for your (business) friend.

It's always good to see that we have such experts regarding snitching and work permits on the forum!

[harmonyudon]

It's always good to see that we have such experts regarding snitching and work permits on the forum!

Expert?? or a victim who tells his story, also about possible snitching with regard to music licence by fellow farang(s)? So, to inform the community and to warn, like some others did in the above link.

[WBU ALUM]

I'm not an expert, a victim or a snitch. I don't fall into any of the categories. I only know of factual occurrences, and I have learned that Thai Immigration allows their agents to use their own discretion. That's it. Simple and straightforward.

[Astana]

I'm not an expert, a victim or a snitch. I don't fall into any of the categories. I only know of factual occurrences, and I have learned that Thai Immigration allows their agents to use their own discretion. That's it. Simple and straightforward.

And that's exactly what I meant so don't read into something that ain't there!

[JR]

I work on my wife's farmlands now and then, with and without a tractor. But I have a usufruct contract on the land. I won't work on the MIL land though.