Cess Pit Problem

Post by **probityguy** » June 2, 2014, 11:06 am

Any advice or help would be appreciated.....

My home is less than a year old and the Builder has informed me that this problem does not fall under the 12 month gurantee. ( I am unable to print my opinion)

After heavy rain I get a gurgling sound from my toilet and the when the toilet is flushed the water does not fall away as it should.

With the wet season fast approaching you can understand my concern.

Post by **Khun Paul** » June 3, 2014, 7:31 am

Get it sucked out and then see the result, it could be the builder having made it did not bother to ensure it was clean and empty either that or the pipes connecting it were poorly laid ( possible ). But get it sucked dry ,first step in my humble opinion.

Post by **bumper** » June 3, 2014, 8:07 am

I would get it pumped, some how rain water must be getting in it, probably need to find that leak. The other option install a gravel leach pit and line, that might let the rain water drain off. Either way you got a big problem ours is seven years on now with no problems and no pumping. Sounds like the builder messed something up with the installation. I doubt you will get him to repair it.

In the odd case there ins a blockage there is chemical that is used on pig farms that breaks the solid waste. I don't recall the name of it. But, Home Pro carries it. In theory your vent lines should be helping to keep the water level down, through evaporation.

As I recall there is a consumer operation you can contact. But, that isn't going to get the toilet to flush. I don't think they ever had any real power anyway.

I'm afraid it will be on you to make the repairs.

Good Luck

Post by **Airportwo** » June 3, 2014, 9:10 am

Sounds like he never installed the air vent! all septic tanks should have a air vent fitted (yes all!)
Good luck trying to get him to fit it, though not a difficult job.
Cheers

Post by **maaka** » June 3, 2014, 9:16 am

not that I am up on Udon's septic system, but is your house on a city mains sewage system, or do you have a septic tank system?? has it always happened from the day you moved in a year ago..?

Post by **kubotatim** » June 3, 2014, 9:45 am

Airportwo wrote:Sounds like he never installed the air vent! all septic tanks should have a air vent fitted (yes all!)
Good luck trying to get him to fit it, though not a difficult job.
Cheers

Well I have 6 around my house and they do not need air vent, total rubbish, the concrete rings were 6 deep and were well perforated and surrounded with gravel before being backfilled to allow the water to percolate out and soak away, have lived here for over 8 years and non have been pumped and all work extremely well, are you sure it is not just a blocked toilet, very easy to do here due to the very small diameter u bend cast into the loo. Try getting a plunger and see if it is blocked.

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 3, 2014, 11:18 am

We have a similar problem with one of the toilets. There is a high ground water level under the property and during the rainy season this septic seems to be impacted. Its been pumped to no avail. I thought the vent is mainly to release methane gas?? In the States the septic had a drain field. Could the toilet have a crack or not be seated correctly?

Post by **bumper** » June 3, 2014, 11:52 am

Maaka I don't think there is a sewage plant in Udon.

In that length of time has to water from an outside source. Pumping will empty it and needs to be done. But if you don't find the source of the water and stop it. You will be on a merry go round with pumping. The seal that's something I had not thought of. You can pull the cover and see it the tank is really full.

If you know the tank is full, it's not a seal.

We have gotten that sound, when the tank doesn't fill after electric outage. It's just clearing the air in the line.

But that should not cause problems with flushing.

Try filling the tank in the back of the toilet and see what it does when you flush.

Should not be any noise if that is the problem.

Good Luck

Post by **kopkei** » June 3, 2014, 11:56 am

it depend what you call a septic , if it's the concrete rings as they put thai style in the ground , you will have a problem in rainy season with high groundwater levels , unless you did put an overflow for the water in , easy to do connect a L pipe ,10 cm from the bottom up and lower than the outlet of the toilet ,if you have a real plastic septic tank you do not have problems what the groundwater levels is concerned , but you still need the water overflow connected, or your tank will fill up with fluids too...

Post by **Khun Paul** » June 3, 2014, 12:15 pm

My house is nearly 20 years old and it had three septic tanks fitted when new. On inspection when buying it, I had one of the tank tops lifted so we could see the construction, it was as many are concrete rings sat on a reinforcerd ring at the bottom with all the various pipes previously mentioned. The bottom is at least 2 meteres below the normal ground water level but it does have a water overflow pipe fitted, but it has never been a problem. often my back garden resembles a swimming pool ( albeit shallow ) but it has never affected any of the tanks . I would therefore think that the construction of said septic tank is faulty, however to0 check will cost a few bob and then to get the money from the builder would be a nightmare, so while you are having it checked do the repairs required which will not be that much and your toilet will then work correctly. Just a thought one of my tanks was used by two girls and the wife and her mother for a over a year, only once did it manage to be a problem ( not flushing / no space in the tank ) and a good clean ( aka suck ) managed to sort it out it has never since then been a problem.
So i seriously doubt if the ground water level should affect a good installed septic tank. my opinion . Or maybe builders in the past knew more then the current lot.

Post by **FrazeeDK** » June 3, 2014, 4:15 pm

the "soop suam" nonsense sucking trucks pass through the neighborhoods regularly.. Most of them know exactly how these septic systems should work and will always provide advice on how to make them work better. In my opinion the older concrete ring septic systems aren't the best option. The newer large plastic septic tanks (up to 1500 liters) provide a better way of managing the effluents.. Of course, your house's waste water is normally split between "black water" (toilet) and "grey water" (sink/shower/bath/wash). You certainly don't want "grey water" which can be hundreds of liters a day, filling up your "black water" septic tank.. If the tank has an overflow pipe or "leach field" then you would have raw sewage spilling out the overflow pipe.. We have our "black water" septic tank pumped around every six months.. Two years ago we ensured we split the black/grey waters and have a separate tank and leach field for our shower/bath/wash grey water..

Post by **747man** » June 3, 2014, 8:45 pm

What I've been trying to find out for ................Years,Where do The Soop Suam trucks EMPTY Their Loads every Day

Post by **Barney** » June 3, 2014, 8:57 pm

747man wrote:What I've been trying to find out for ................Years,Where do The Soop Suam trucks EMPTY Their Loads every Day

Assuming they empty them each day and not just when they are full, look for the swamp area that is green all year round.

Post by **parrot** » June 3, 2014, 9:17 pm

747man wrote:What I've been trying to find out for ................Years,Where do The Soop Suam trucks EMPTY Their Loads every Day

I've been told by the drivers of those trucks that rubber and eucalyptus farms are popular dumping sites.

Post by **747man** » June 3, 2014, 9:24 pm

parrot wrote:
747man wrote:What I've been trying to find out for ................Years,Where do The Soop Suam trucks EMPTY Their Loads every Day
I've been told by the drivers of those trucks that rubber and eucalyptus farms are popular dumping sites.

A Few months Back We were driving through Amphur Phen,With the windows open when this horrendous stink hit me right up the nose, I Had to stop further up the road & Puke !!

Post by **Airportwo** » June 3, 2014, 10:23 pm

kubotatim wrote:
Airportwo wrote:Sounds like he never installed the air vent! all septic tanks should have a air vent fitted (yes all!)
Good luck trying to get him to fit it, though not a difficult job.
Cheers
Well I have 6 around my house and they do not need air vent, total rubbish, the concrete rings were 6 deep and were well perforated and surrounded with gravel before being backfilled to allow the water to percolate out and soak away, have lived here for over 8 years and non have been pumped and all work extremely well, are you sure it is not just a blocked toilet, very easy to do here due to the very small diameter u bend cast into the loo. Try getting a plunger and see if it is blocked.

Since when did "concrete rings" become "septic tanks'? I was trying to be helpful, concrete rings not being septic tanks probably don't need a vent line, a purpose built plastic septic tank does need a vent line, yes it removes gases but each time you flush your toilet you push a huge amount of air through, this needs "space", thus that is why they have a 1 1/2" thread built into the tank in the second compartment for a vent line.
If you have "around" 6 well functioning tanks you are obviously far better qualified than I to talk about the subject topic.

Post by **fatbob** » June 4, 2014, 7:08 am

What type of septic tank, concrete rings or plastic? Do you flush paper down the toilet? If concrete rings and you flush paper that will choke the ground at base of tank and prevent it absorbing into ground. If its plastic and the access panel at top is below ground level then it will fill up with rain water and not work as it will be full. I have concrete rings at my house, two tanks three rings high for each toilet, never a problem, solids stay in the first tank, clear water overflows to the second and absorbs into the ground, you need to provide more information on your setup, as far as venting the tank is concerned nice guess but irrelevant.

Post by **Geoffrey** » June 4, 2014, 7:21 am

I now have a dry composting toilet. No pumping, no clogged septic systems with roots from trees, and after 9 months I get 2 kinds of sanitary fertilizer - my banana grove is doing great.