Crime pays Torture in Thailand Get promoted.

[the-monk]

Crime pays -Torture in Thailand - Get promoted..
In good old USA - the land of the free - criminals
get rewarded like in so many other places.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1 ... n-thailand

[jai yen yen]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

[fatbob]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

And if your innocent???

[Lone Star]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

That's it. =D>

[skinner]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

How can you compare a powerful nation kidnaping and torturing in a secret prison, an individual who has not been before a court, to being in a street fight ?
American logic I guess.

[jai yen yen]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

How can you compare a powerful nation kidnaping and torturing in a secret prison, an individual who has not been before a court, to being in a street fight ?
American logic I guess.

Actually I am Canadian and the war on terror is a fight with no rules from the other side. They want to win at any cost and any method and have no qualms about it. You can't play nice with people like that and win. Similar to a street fight when you want to stand up and box and your opponent knocks you down and kicks you in the throat. It is just an ugly reality we are faced with, like it or not.

[jai yen yen]

There are no rules in a street fight and when you are attacked you have only two choices, win or lose by whatever means necessary.

And if your innocent???

Mistakes can be made but I am quite confident that innocent people are not picked up and tortured for no reason. If information can be gained and innocent lives are saved than it is an acceptable risk in my opinion. This is not an easy war to fight.

[Sport]

Quote. jai yen yen. Actually I am Canadian and the war on terror is a fight with no rules from the other side. They want to win at any cost and any method and have no qualms about it. You can't play nice with people like that and win. Similar to a street fight when you want to stand up and box and your opponent knocks you down and kicks you in the throat. It is just an ugly reality we are faced with, like it or not.[/quote]

I agree with what you say, we are not talking about some kids trying to kick sand in the face of countries that are willing to take on the terrorists. You cannot wait for judical process, which could take years to eventuate, by that time many lives may be lost through inaction.

If it means setting up an area to get plans from people who are about to commit terrorism, then by all means go for it by whatever means possible. The authorities do not pick someone radomly off the street, they have a good idea who are the terrorists and their kind.

[skinner]

I stand corrected. Torture is obviously ok, along with bombing the ---- out of people . I wonder what creates their hatred ??

[newtovillagelife]

The big elephant in the room is, if you bomb a COUNTRY by mistake, you make some enemies. SOmeone needs to take responsibility for the disruption that has caused this in the first place, but alas the most powerful get away with everything.

[jai yen yen]

Here is a couple of questions to ponder. We have 2 suspected terrorists being aggressively interrogated. One turns out innocent and the other provides intel that prevents 911 and the loss of all those innocent civilians and the mass destruction. Is this acceptable to you or is it not? Think about it,this is the reality we face. Again we have 2 suspected terrorists being put through the same process, one turns out to be innocent but the other gives information that stops a bombing at your local town where many people have gathered to celebrate Loy Krathong. If this bombing had proceeded your wife and children are now lying in pools of blood and body parts along with many of your friends and neighbours. Is this acceptable to you? Harsh reality it is happening almost everyday. If you say you do not agree with these methods to gain information from these radicals and you would rather see your family, friends and innocent people die you probably need a little reality to wake you up.

[jai yen yen]

I stand corrected. Torture is obviously ok, along with bombing the **** out of people . I wonder what creates their hatred ??

The west has never purposely targeted civilian targets although innocents do get killed along with the scum. The hatred stems from radical Islamic extremists that want everyone converted to their views or killed. This goes for the moderate muslim people as well, they are being killed for the same reasons.

[tinpeeba]

Torture is always wrong, always illegal and always unjustifiable. The means does not justify the end, means and end are not separate, they are a joint phenomenon; the means create the end. The use of evil acts to fight evil simply increases the amount of evil. Evil is evil; it cannot bring about good.

Apart from being morally wrong torture is also counterproductive:

"The moral error in reasoning from in the ticking bomb scenario arises from weighing the harm to the guilty terrorist against the harm to the prospective innocent victims. Instead, the harm to innocent terrorist victims should be weighed against the breakdown of key social institutions and the state-sponsored torture of many innocents. Stated most starkly, the damaging social consequences of a program of torture interrogation evolve from institutional dynamics that are independent of the original moral rationale." - from A Consequentialist Argument against Torture Interrogation of Terrorists by Jean Maria Arrigo, Ph.D. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/jscope/arrigo03.htm

Torture doesn’t work: Government report shows psychological suffering doesn’t lead to truthtelling:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/torture-doe ... ing-273840

The case against torture - Ex-military officers take argument to presidential hopefuls:
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation ... 0712100240

The Imperative of Moral Arguments Against Torture:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... t-torture/

[skinner]

Here is a couple of questions to ponder. We have 2 suspected terrorists being aggressively interrogated. One turns out innocent and the other provides intel that prevents 911 and the loss of all those innocent civilians and the mass destruction. Is this acceptable to you or is it not? Think about it,this is the reality we face. Again we have 2 suspected terrorists being put through the same process, one turns out to be innocent but the other gives information that stops a bombing at your local town where many people have gathered to celebrate Loy Krathong. If this bombing had proceeded your wife and children are now lying in pools of blood and body parts along with many of your friends and neighbours. Is this acceptable to you? Harsh reality it is happening almost everyday. If you say you do not agree with these methods to gain information from these radicals and you would rather see your family, friends and innocent people die you probably need a little reality to wake you up.

As an ex soldier, who spent a considerable time involved with "so called " terrorists, I do not think I need a little reality to wake me up.
My views on this come from experience. I suspect your views on this come from Fox news
kidnapping and torture in secret prisons are WRONG.

[jai yen yen]

Here is a couple of questions to ponder. We have 2 suspected terrorists being aggressively interrogated. One turns out innocent and the other provides intel that prevents 911 and the loss of all those innocent civilians and the mass destruction. Is this acceptable to you or is it not? Think about it,this is the reality we face. Again we have 2 suspected terrorists being put through the same process, one turns out to be innocent but the other gives information that stops a bombing at your local town where many people have gathered to celebrate Loy Krathong. If this bombing had proceeded your wife and children are now lying in pools of blood and body parts along with many of your friends and neighbours. Is this acceptable to you? Harsh reality it is happening almost everyday. If you say you do not agree with these methods to gain information from these radicals and you would rather see your family, friends and innocent people die you probably need a little reality to wake you up.

As an ex soldier, who spent a considerable time involved with "so called " terrorists, I do not think I need a little reality to wake me up.
My views on this come from experience. I suspect your views on this come from Fox news
kidnapping and torture in secret prisons are WRONG.

The sad thing is that there are some people that agree with you, being politically correct does not make you correct, it makes you weak and vulnerable. The terrorists cannot win a conventual war with the west, therefore they use terror attacks against innocent civilian targets. Therefore we can not defend ourselves with conventual methods either. Time to face the reality.

[skinner]

Here is a couple of questions to ponder. We have 2 suspected terrorists being aggressively interrogated. One turns out innocent and the other provides intel that prevents 911 and the loss of all those innocent civilians and the mass destruction. Is this acceptable to you or is it not? Think about it,this is the reality we face. Again we have 2 suspected terrorists being put through the same process, one turns out to be innocent but the other gives information that stops a bombing at your local town where many people have gathered to celebrate Loy Krathong. If this bombing had proceeded your wife and children are now lying in pools of blood and body parts along with many of your friends and neighbours. Is this acceptable to you? Harsh reality it is happening almost everyday. If you say you do not agree with these methods to gain information from these radicals and you would rather see your family, friends and innocent people die you probably need a little reality to wake you up.

As an ex soldier, who spent a considerable time involved with "so called " terrorists, I do not think I need a little reality to wake me up.
My views on this come from experience. I suspect your views on this come from Fox news
kidnapping and torture in secret prisons are WRONG.

The sad thing is that there are some people that agree with you, being politically correct does not make you correct, it makes you weak and vulnerable. The terrorists cannot win a conventual war with the west, therefore they use terror attacks against innocent civilian targets. Therefore we can not defend ourselves with conventual methods either. Time to face the reality.

My view does not come from any wish to be politically correct, far from it. It comes from experience of " so called" terrorists. Do you really believe George Bushs " so called war on terror " made the world a safer place ? Do you not realise how much hatred this creates, and as such drives young men to follow extreme ideology , be it fundamentalist islam or fundamentalist Christianity, both of which are a danger to the world.

[newtovillagelife]

Better hope there is not an increase in terrorist acts in Thailand. Maybe Drump will put a ban on Thailand......that would be a hoot!!!

[Armyvet]

It is pointless to keep a running pissing contest going. Liberals seem to live in la a land and are not prone to see with out their rose colored glasses.

[newtovillagelife]

And from our point of view, we see non-liberals just the same way.

[jai yen yen]

Here is a couple of questions to ponder. We have 2 suspected terrorists being aggressively interrogated. One turns out innocent and the other provides intel that prevents 911 and the loss of all those innocent civilians and the mass destruction. Is this acceptable to you or is it not? Think about it,this is the reality we face. Again we have 2 suspected terrorists being put through the same process, one turns out to be innocent but the other gives information that stops a bombing at your local town where many people have gathered to celebrate Loy Krathong. If this bombing had proceeded your wife and children are now lying in pools of blood and body parts along with many of your friends and neighbours. Is this acceptable to you? Harsh reality it is happening almost everyday. If you say you do not agree with these methods to gain information from these radicals and you would rather see your family, friends and innocent people die you probably need a little reality to wake you up.

As an ex soldier, who spent a considerable time involved with "so called " terrorists, I do not think I need a little reality to wake me up.
My views on this come from experience. I suspect your views on this come from Fox news
kidnapping and torture in secret prisons are WRONG.

The sad thing is that there are some people that agree with you, being politically correct does not make you correct, it makes you weak and vulnerable. The terrorists cannot win a conventual war with the west, therefore they use terror attacks against innocent civilian targets. Therefore we can not defend ourselves with conventual methods either. Time to face the reality.

My view does not come from any wish to be politically correct, far from it. It comes from experience of " so called" terrorists. Do you really believe George Bushs " so called war on terror " made the world a safer place ? Do you not realise how much hatred this creates, and as such drives young men to follow extreme ideology , be it fundamentalist islam or fundamentalist Christianity, both of which are a danger to the world.

Back to my question, if torturing a confession out of a suspected terrorist would have saved all those innocent American lives at 911 would you still say no?
easy question, yes or no?