Take our culture and our language or leave
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off"."Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understanding them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?
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IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles,founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
Wonder what they were strying to say LOL
Wonder what they were strying to say LOL
=D> =D> =D> Shades of Enoch Powell in the UK in the sixties when immigration was only a small portion of todays rate. He got kicked out of office for being a racist, hope the same doesn't happen in Australia.
This could never happen In UK now, when so many immigrants hold top govt posts and are represented in both the Houses of Parliament and the Lords, thanks to Blair and his desperate scramble to fill both houses with his own supporters regardless of suitability.
This could never happen In UK now, when so many immigrants hold top govt posts and are represented in both the Houses of Parliament and the Lords, thanks to Blair and his desperate scramble to fill both houses with his own supporters regardless of suitability.
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Val I am not sure if you are in support of this reaction by the Ozie govt or not ? Your post can be "read" 2 ways ?
But Racism ???? Val I know you live in Udon...but do you live in a cave ??......haven't you heard WE ARE AT WAR ! This is surely NOT a racist slur against moderate and genuine muslims.
The Islamic extremists who practice Sharia Law are
certainly not welcome in Australia !! These muslims are generally not representative of peace loving muslims who are prepared to live under the laws of Australia and simulate and partcipate with our communities.
" This could never happen in the UK now ".....perhaps in view of the terrorist activities contemplated by some of your good citizens in the last few weeks it is time to draw a line in the sand.
Perhaps you NEED another Enock Powell .
Australians and myself are generally not racist but we can see the mistakes made by countries like the UK...........we certainly dont want these mixed up crazy lunatics bringing there age old predjudices and hate into our country...
I applaud the Ozie govt. the others can stay where they are ! We dont need or want them !!
But Racism ???? Val I know you live in Udon...but do you live in a cave ??......haven't you heard WE ARE AT WAR ! This is surely NOT a racist slur against moderate and genuine muslims.
The Islamic extremists who practice Sharia Law are
certainly not welcome in Australia !! These muslims are generally not representative of peace loving muslims who are prepared to live under the laws of Australia and simulate and partcipate with our communities.
" This could never happen in the UK now ".....perhaps in view of the terrorist activities contemplated by some of your good citizens in the last few weeks it is time to draw a line in the sand.
Perhaps you NEED another Enock Powell .
Australians and myself are generally not racist but we can see the mistakes made by countries like the UK...........we certainly dont want these mixed up crazy lunatics bringing there age old predjudices and hate into our country...
I applaud the Ozie govt. the others can stay where they are ! We dont need or want them !!
[quote="johninperth"]Val I am not sure if you are in support of this reaction by the Ozie govt or not ? Your post can be "read" 2 ways ?
But Racism ???? Val I know you live in Udon...but do you live in a cave ??......haven't you heard WE ARE AT WAR ! This is surely NOT a racist slur against moderate and genuine muslims.
No John I applaud these sentiments, just cautioning that it may already be too late to adopt this stance, it certainly is in the UK and has been for at least 20years.It is of interest that all immigrants before being granted citizenship swear a notorised oath of allegiance to the crown. In my view terrorist acts or even enciting them breaks this oath, so the govt doesn't need any new laws to deport them, just enforce the existing ones.
But Racism ???? Val I know you live in Udon...but do you live in a cave ??......haven't you heard WE ARE AT WAR ! This is surely NOT a racist slur against moderate and genuine muslims.
No John I applaud these sentiments, just cautioning that it may already be too late to adopt this stance, it certainly is in the UK and has been for at least 20years.It is of interest that all immigrants before being granted citizenship swear a notorised oath of allegiance to the crown. In my view terrorist acts or even enciting them breaks this oath, so the govt doesn't need any new laws to deport them, just enforce the existing ones.
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Just to add to my post .... Australians generally are known for being direct and " not beating around the bush " If anyone is unclear about what the Ozie Treasurer was saying ......
He was saying...All those mad ba#*!^#ds can F#*! off where they came from ! We dont want any of those ar#!*#!es here in Australia !!
He was saying...All those mad ba#*!^#ds can F#*! off where they came from ! We dont want any of those ar#!*#!es here in Australia !!
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Yes, I totally agree Val and johninperth. Enoch gave sound advise, (albeit rather emotive and provocative at the time), but it wasn't heeded.
Val's point I understand to be that the immigrants and various religions are so well integrated into Uk society, administration and Gov't now, that it's too late to send them home.
Nevertheless the principle of "when in Rome" should be strictly enforced, in that they should adhere to the laws and principles of the country in which they live and not try and change them to suit their own ends/principles/practices/religion. And if people don't toe the line, i.e break local laws, plot and conspire, they should be deported, maybe along with any immediate family.
Rocket man, yes we are Immigrants in Thailand, but I think most of us adhere to local laws and customs (i.e. adopt the principle of "when in Rome do as the Romans do"), (except maybe some of those frequenting the local bar soi!! ) and we certainly don't plot, plan, conspire or indulge in acts of terrorism to change try and local laws or religious practices (or indeed Immigration policies).
Val's point I understand to be that the immigrants and various religions are so well integrated into Uk society, administration and Gov't now, that it's too late to send them home.
Nevertheless the principle of "when in Rome" should be strictly enforced, in that they should adhere to the laws and principles of the country in which they live and not try and change them to suit their own ends/principles/practices/religion. And if people don't toe the line, i.e break local laws, plot and conspire, they should be deported, maybe along with any immediate family.
Rocket man, yes we are Immigrants in Thailand, but I think most of us adhere to local laws and customs (i.e. adopt the principle of "when in Rome do as the Romans do"), (except maybe some of those frequenting the local bar soi!! ) and we certainly don't plot, plan, conspire or indulge in acts of terrorism to change try and local laws or religious practices (or indeed Immigration policies).