"Your source stating the majority of Australians are in favour of nuclear energy? I dont think there is any such poll, but if you have a credible source, "
https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/a ... te-energy/
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Yes, I saw that report too. The post by Barney was Australians will demand the adoption of nuclear energy regardless of the outcome of the next election. He also states that renewables are failing.
Only 27% of respondents strongly support that policy, that drops to 18% of labor votors.
That hardly backs up the statement that people will DEMAND nuclear power, and since there is likely to be a return for a second term for labour, nuclear power policy will not change.
As for renewables failing. It is unlikely to hit the 82% renewable target by 2030. The commonwealth investment policy which will run from this year through to 2027 is designed to reverse the trend that appeared in 2023 which saw a decline in new projects. Meanwhile rooftop solar has gone gangbusters The move to renewables is by no.means a failure with 40% of Australian electricity now coming from renewables. Double that of a decade ago and still growing by around 20% year on year.
Only 27% of respondents strongly support that policy, that drops to 18% of labor votors.
That hardly backs up the statement that people will DEMAND nuclear power, and since there is likely to be a return for a second term for labour, nuclear power policy will not change.
As for renewables failing. It is unlikely to hit the 82% renewable target by 2030. The commonwealth investment policy which will run from this year through to 2027 is designed to reverse the trend that appeared in 2023 which saw a decline in new projects. Meanwhile rooftop solar has gone gangbusters The move to renewables is by no.means a failure with 40% of Australian electricity now coming from renewables. Double that of a decade ago and still growing by around 20% year on year.
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We used to be told that the World was running out of Oil. 
Apparently there are 1.56 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2022.
The global demand for crude oil (including biofuels) in 2023 was about 102.21 million barrels per day, with an expectation of increasing to 104 million barrels per day, equating to around 37,960,000,000 barrels per Year.
This would mean about 41 years of oil left (at an assumed consumption level of 104 million barrels per day, excluding unproven reserves).
DEMAND: Has been pretty constant, with a slight steady rise over the past 6 years (excluding Covid), despite the investment and or innovation in alternative energy sources. The demand for Oil increases every year. A likely reason or contributing factor is the demand driven by the worlds increasing population every year.
The forecast demand is indicated to be at a level of 106 million barrels per day by Year 2030, 110 million barrels a day by 2034, with a further increase in demand to 113 million barrels per day by Year 2040.
All the past previous predictions by the so called Experts, namely that Oil Demand or Oil Supply would peak by Year 2030 as and when the alternative Energies took over the Energy Markets were B....S..t predictions. The Status Quo appears to be fine, at lease for the next 15 Years plus, which will see most of us out of the picture.
DEMAND
RESERVES: Well they keep finding more Oil
pipoz4444
Apparently there are 1.56 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2022.
The global demand for crude oil (including biofuels) in 2023 was about 102.21 million barrels per day, with an expectation of increasing to 104 million barrels per day, equating to around 37,960,000,000 barrels per Year.
This would mean about 41 years of oil left (at an assumed consumption level of 104 million barrels per day, excluding unproven reserves).
DEMAND: Has been pretty constant, with a slight steady rise over the past 6 years (excluding Covid), despite the investment and or innovation in alternative energy sources. The demand for Oil increases every year. A likely reason or contributing factor is the demand driven by the worlds increasing population every year.
The forecast demand is indicated to be at a level of 106 million barrels per day by Year 2030, 110 million barrels a day by 2034, with a further increase in demand to 113 million barrels per day by Year 2040.
All the past previous predictions by the so called Experts, namely that Oil Demand or Oil Supply would peak by Year 2030 as and when the alternative Energies took over the Energy Markets were B....S..t predictions. The Status Quo appears to be fine, at lease for the next 15 Years plus, which will see most of us out of the picture.
DEMAND
RESERVES: Well they keep finding more Oil
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Re: Future energy sources?
That's great news for those still earning a quid in the hydrocarbon game, pipo.
But probably not so much for their kids, and particularly, grandkids and later generations.
But probably not so much for their kids, and particularly, grandkids and later generations.
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Just posting statements of fact JS about the current situation in 2024, and probable situation through to year 2040jackspratt wrote: ↑July 5, 2024, 8:34 pmThat's great news for those still earning a quid in the hydrocarbon game, pipo.
But probably not so much for their kids, and particularly, grandkids and later generations.
But worth remembering that those Kids, would not have today, what they have, if it was not for the Hydrocarbon industry and that those same kids contribute daily to the need for the Hydrocarbon industry, every day that they grow up and beyond. They might think otherwise, because they do not know any better.
I presume you and maybe some of those kids, drive a car. The next time you / kids stop at the traffic lights, take a minute to ask yourself, where that nice new smoot Bitumen road surface came from. Yes from Crude Oil. Bitumen is a byproduct of crude oil.
I also dare say a lot of those who spend their life solely criticizing the Hydrocarbon industry and some who advocate for its demise, have little or no comprehension of how much their daily lifestyle and luxuries originate from, revolve around it and even depend on its existence.
They should take the time to understand how widely Hydrocarbons are used in a number of the key manufacturing processes, not to mention the mining and shipping industries and ............ and then what part of their daily life involves some aspect of the Hydrocarbon industry. Then work out what they will gladding give up.
Indirectly Hydrocarbons also contribute to the manufacture of the mobiles phones, so try asking the kids to throw away their mobile phones.
I don't think you will get to many takers. It is ironic that people can deny the need for the Hydrocarbon industry and at the same time completely ignore its contribution to where we are today.
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Very weel said pipoz444
The majority just dont get that they are surrounded by oil products.
The Stanwell Corporation in Qld have 2 projects in the pre feed phase for construction and then export of liquid hydrogen.
A plant in central Qld at Aldoga for a 100 ton/day facility and an even bigger liquid hydrogen facility on Curtis Island adjacent to the LNG plant. This will be 800 ton/day. Export to Japan and Singapore. I thought NASA might want some for their space rocket propulsion.
The majority just dont get that they are surrounded by oil products.
The Stanwell Corporation in Qld have 2 projects in the pre feed phase for construction and then export of liquid hydrogen.
A plant in central Qld at Aldoga for a 100 ton/day facility and an even bigger liquid hydrogen facility on Curtis Island adjacent to the LNG plant. This will be 800 ton/day. Export to Japan and Singapore. I thought NASA might want some for their space rocket propulsion.
Re: Future energy sources?
Percentage of electricity generation from low-carbon sources in 2023, via Statistical Review of World Energy June 2024.
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Tam
The chart is showing countries such as Switzerland, Taiwan, UAE etc having Nuclear power sources?
The chart is showing countries such as Switzerland, Taiwan, UAE etc having Nuclear power sources?
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Doo
Google is your friend.
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I've told my kids don't pursue future employment or a career related to fossil fuels.jackspratt wrote: ↑July 5, 2024, 8:34 pmThat's great news for those still earning a quid in the hydrocarbon game, pipo.
But probably not so much for their kids, and particularly, grandkids and later generations.
Nuclear is OK, but not coal or oil and gas.
Any presumed guilt for my career choices have thus been absolved.
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Tell the kids to make money where they can
Dig drill cart ship
Dig drill cart ship
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Apparently, Google isnt your friend, Tam
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'Don't waste your words on people who deserve your silence'
~Reinhold Messner~
'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
"Never put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until next week."
~Ian Vincent~
~Reinhold Messner~
'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
"Never put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until next week."
~Ian Vincent~
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However in 2011 the Swiss government decided to phase out nuclear because of the fukushima disaster. Seems a strange reason to me, not a lot of Pacific tsunamis have ever caused problems in Geneva.
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True, but this sort of ill-conceived knee jerk can create seismic events politically. Didn't a previous PM ban all oil and gas exploration in New Zealand 'forever' as part of her politicking back in 2018? The current NZ government will be introducing a bill to repeal that later this year.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/51 ... -this-year
To clarify for our Google-challenged member, both the Swiss government of the time and the population in general, voted to phase out nuclear power, which is in progress. The new and enthusiastic Taiwanese President vowed to shutter all their nuclear power plants by next year and got elected. Then this happened...
https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202406190009
As for the UAE, no plans to close anything despite complaints from neighbors Qatar about the safety of the Emirate facilities. Note, this is the Qatar that is well-endowed with LNG talking smack about a neighbor who doesn't have the same natural resources but doesn't want to become dependent on Qatar for their energy needs.
However, my graphic clearly stated 2023 and, since Switzerland, UAE and Taiwan will still be using nuclear power generation until at least next year, chances are the graphic for 2024 will be broadly similar.
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I have no issue with phasing out the Hydrocarbons, but to use a saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you".
The scaling back of the Hydrocarbon Industry will have consequences on the lifestyles of many. These could be,
1. Job losses and or reduction of opportunities for those currently working in and or associated with the Hydrocarbon Industry
2. Increase in cost of living due to alternative replacement products and energies being more expensive, until such time as they become cost effective, and they will some day.
3. Increase in shipping and logistic cost as the Hydrocarbon Industry scales back production and fuel prices increase. Surely this will impact on the Shipping and Mining sectors, which are so heavily geared to the carbon based fuels and have limited viable options available to them to change. Yes both need viable alternatives, because any immediate and short term cost impact on these industries will simply flow straight through to consumers, as it always does.
4. Potential poverty for those countries whose major source of revenue if from the Hydrocarbon Industry
These are just some of my thoughts and some may disagree, but in my view, the shift from Hydrocarbons to Alternatives, will not be "Not all beer and skittles" for all people and it certainly will not work for many in the actual industry in the short to medium term future.
I don't profess to know how many people derive their income or part of their income directly from involvement in the the Hydrocarbon Industry and or indirectly associated with it, but I would suggest that it is a lot of people.
Not all will be near retirement age such as me. For me, I can walk away tomorrow and their is no impact on myself, but for others still working in it, they heavily depend on it at present, to support their families and they will still depend on it for years to come. It will be hard on them. I suppose the term "collateral damage", comes to mind. if you are a "Stop Oil (at all cost) Fanatic" living on welfare or a government bureaucrat.
JS, with all due respect, its fine to think about the next generation and the generation after that and so on, but many on this Planet have trouble paying their rent month to month & educating their kids for whatever potential opportunity may exist for them to get a job in the future, as the gap in wealth becomes wider between the "Haves and the Have Not's".
So where is the debate, money and or concern about fixing the more immediate problems in the World today, (and there are a lot) for those who desperately need it, rather than focusing on the consequences of what might happen 20, 40 60 years down the track.
Just my two cents worth
pipoz4444
The scaling back of the Hydrocarbon Industry will have consequences on the lifestyles of many. These could be,
1. Job losses and or reduction of opportunities for those currently working in and or associated with the Hydrocarbon Industry
2. Increase in cost of living due to alternative replacement products and energies being more expensive, until such time as they become cost effective, and they will some day.
3. Increase in shipping and logistic cost as the Hydrocarbon Industry scales back production and fuel prices increase. Surely this will impact on the Shipping and Mining sectors, which are so heavily geared to the carbon based fuels and have limited viable options available to them to change. Yes both need viable alternatives, because any immediate and short term cost impact on these industries will simply flow straight through to consumers, as it always does.
4. Potential poverty for those countries whose major source of revenue if from the Hydrocarbon Industry
These are just some of my thoughts and some may disagree, but in my view, the shift from Hydrocarbons to Alternatives, will not be "Not all beer and skittles" for all people and it certainly will not work for many in the actual industry in the short to medium term future.
I don't profess to know how many people derive their income or part of their income directly from involvement in the the Hydrocarbon Industry and or indirectly associated with it, but I would suggest that it is a lot of people.
Not all will be near retirement age such as me. For me, I can walk away tomorrow and their is no impact on myself, but for others still working in it, they heavily depend on it at present, to support their families and they will still depend on it for years to come. It will be hard on them. I suppose the term "collateral damage", comes to mind.
if you are a "Stop Oil (at all cost) Fanatic" living on welfare or a government bureaucrat.JS, with all due respect, its fine to think about the next generation and the generation after that and so on, but many on this Planet have trouble paying their rent month to month & educating their kids for whatever potential opportunity may exist for them to get a job in the future, as the gap in wealth becomes wider between the "Haves and the Have Not's".
So where is the debate, money and or concern about fixing the more immediate problems in the World today, (and there are a lot) for those who desperately need it, rather than focusing on the consequences of what might happen 20, 40 60 years down the track.
Just my two cents worth
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Probably planning to do a Germany, go all hand wringing leftie tree hugger appeasement and then buy nuclear energy produced electricity from France without blushing.
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You cannot help but notice the mad dog hatred of some on here who cannot abide those that do not share their views. It's boiling over in the USA where disrespect for progressive views is fueling extreme rehotoric about killing those who are not hard right and purging them from government roles. Childish name calling and vilification goes hand in hand with such extremist views. Past countries that went down that path
Nazi Germany
Russia
China
Italy
Argentina
Cambodia
No doubt others
Authoritarian regimes inflect dreadful outcomes for their countries. A whole lot more mutual respect would appear to me to be a healthier alternative
Pardon me now, I have a tamarind tree in they yard that needs some affection.
Nazi Germany
Russia
China
Italy
Argentina
Cambodia
No doubt others
Authoritarian regimes inflect dreadful outcomes for their countries. A whole lot more mutual respect would appear to me to be a healthier alternative
Pardon me now, I have a tamarind tree in they yard that needs some affection.
Best being part of this forum by placing the intellectual challenged on foes list. A lot less post to read and a great time saver.
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Whistler wrote: ↑July 6, 2024, 3:21 pmYou cannot help but notice the mad dog hatred of some on here who cannot abide those that do not share their views. It's boiling over in the USA where disrespect for progressive views is fueling extreme rehotoric about killing those who are not hard right and purging them from government roles. Childish name calling and vilification goes hand in hand with such extremist views. Past countries that went down that path
Nazi Germany
Russia
China
Italy
Argentina
Cambodia
No doubt others
Authoritarian regimes inflect dreadful outcomes for their countries. A whole lot more mutual respect would appear to me to be a healthier alternative
Pardon me now, I have a tamarind tree in they yard that needs some affection.