Israel and the West bank

[AlexO]

3 murdered and 1 critically wounded by a guy in civilian clothes. Then some real 'clever' (in there own strange opinion) people wonder why the Israelis can be a wee bit trigger happy.

[tamada]

Israeli's shouldn't be there in the first place. Anyway, all grist to Netanyahu's mill.

Israeli troops and settlers have killed nearly 700 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since October, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, whose figures do not distinguish between militants and civilians.

[AlexO]

Why not? It was Jordanian until Israel won it in the 67 war. It was ceded to Israel by Jordan as part of the 1988 peace agreement wasn't it.
Its no more Palestinian territory as the Golan Heights are Lebanese territory.

[jackspratt]

An interesting conundrum.

If it is OK to win land, and its occupants, by war, is it OK for those occupants to try and win it back by war?

Because that's what seems to be happening at the moment.

[AlexO]

An interesting conundrum.

If it is OK to win land, and its occupants, by war, is it OK for those occupants to try and win it back by war?

Because that's what seems to be happening at the moment.

Eh maybe on your planet Israel is at war with Jordan and Syria, but on planet earth they seem to be at peace.

[AlexO]

So you are advocating that a bunch of squatters on another Nations land have the right to claim that land as theirs even when the original owners cede the territory to another sovereign nation.
You are also advocating that said squatters use terrorism as a means to take land from the rightful owners with your full support.
Comprehension correct Pratty or you have another secret view.

[jackspratt]

So you are advocating that a bunch of squatters on another Nations land have the right to claim that land as theirs even when the original owners cede the territory to another sovereign nation.
You are also advocating that said squatters use terrorism as a means to take land from the rightful owners with your full support.
Comprehension correct Pratty or you have another secret view.

Sounds very much like what was happening in (the lands known as) Palestine pre-1948.

Seems to be going around in circles, doesn't it.

[AlexO]

So you are advocating that a bunch of squatters on another Nations land have the right to claim that land as theirs even when the original owners cede the territory to another sovereign nation.
You are also advocating that said squatters use terrorism as a means to take land from the rightful owners with your full support.
Comprehension correct Pratty or you have another secret view.

Sounds very much like what was happening in (the lands known as) Palestine pre-1948.

Seems to be going around in circles, doesn't it.

Going to point out on a pre-1918 map just where Palestine was.

What was Palestine before Israel?
Following the 1918 fall of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Palestine typically referred to the region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Much of this land is now part of present-day Israel.

Bloody long history wouldn't you agree. What was the region before called before Islam etc?

[AlexO]

Just incase the Hamas Propaganda machine dont scream about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian ... _West_Bank
Cannot remember any terrorism against Jordan.

[jackspratt]

I guess you are oblivious to those parallels, Alex.

[Whistler]

Is this thread going anywhere?

Hamas are murdering thugs killing hostages. Israeli right wingers and West bank illegal settlers are also killing and showing no restraint.

Both factions are evil. Neither can justify their actions by saying 'yes but'.

[AlexO]

Is this thread going anywhere?

Hamas are murdering thugs killing hostages. Israeli right wingers and West bank illegal settlers are also killing and showing no restraint.

Both factions are evil. Neither can justify their actions by saying 'yes but'.

It's Israeli territory. Agreed with the previous owners, Jordan. Jordan granted citizenship to all in their West Bank at the cessation even the illegal squatters.

[Udon Map]

Is this thread going anywhere?

Hamas are murdering thugs killing hostages. Israeli right wingers and West bank illegal settlers are also killing and showing no restraint.

Both factions are evil. Neither can justify their actions by saying 'yes but'.

I believe that you overlooked the West Bank terrorists. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of ... affa_Ariel.

[AlexO]

Is this thread going anywhere?

Hamas are murdering thugs killing hostages. Israeli right wingers and West bank illegal settlers are also killing and showing no restraint.

Both factions are evil. Neither can justify their actions by saying 'yes but'.

I believe that you overlooked the West Bank terrorists. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of ... affa_Ariel.

But,but hamas never mention this, so it cannot be true.
Even the BBC, the taxpayer funded non-biased source of supposedly accurate information is desperately trying to defend itself from accusations of false reporting. Just 15000 times not a couple.

[Udon Map]

Even the BBC, the taxpayer funded non-biased source of supposedly accurate information is desperately trying to defend itself from accusations of false reporting.

And over an extended period of time.

BBC Apologizes for Falsely Reporting Israeli Army Targets “Medical Teams” in Gaza
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv ... 235647734/

BBC Apologizes For Reporting Unverified Hamas Claim Israel Was “Executing” Palestinians In Gaza
https://deadline.com/2024/01/bbc-apolog ... 235700076/

The BBC breached editorial guidelines over 1,500 times in Israel-Hamas conflict, report claims
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bbc-breac ... ort-claims

BBC pushes 'steady diet of woke bias,' free speech advocacy group says
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bbc-pushe ... group-says

BBC Bias 'Far WORSE Than Ever Expected' Over Israel vs Hamas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFl3WXJ ... nel=TalkTV


ETA: 1,500 Breaches of Editorial Guidelines: BBC Excoriated in Scathing Report on Israel-Hamas War Coverage
https://honestreporting.com/1500-breach ... -coverage/

And before anyone asks, yes, I'm aware that this is a pro-Israel website. But I always evaluate reports based on what is presented in the report, and not based on who's presenting it, -- from CBS to BBC to Reuters to Fox.

[jackspratt]

Even the BBC, the taxpayer funded non-biased source of supposedly accurate information is desperately trying to defend itself from accusations of false reporting. Just 15000 times not a couple.

A couple of small, though important corrections.

1. there is no accusation of "false reporting" that I can see in the report - it talks about bias, and breaching editorial guidelines.

2. it's 1,553, not 15000.

I can't see any signs of desperation in this statement in response from the BBC:

A spokesperson for the BBC questioned the report's methodology and said they would "carefully consider" the report's findings after reviewing it, in a statement to Fox News Digital.

"We have serious questions about the methodology of this report, particularly its heavy reliance on AI to analyze impartiality, and its interpretation of the BBC’s editorial guidelines. We don’t think coverage can be assessed solely by counting particular words divorced from context. We are required to achieve due impartiality, rather than the ‘balance of sympathy’ proposed in the report, and we believe our knowledgeable and dedicated correspondents are achieving this, despite the highly complex, challenging and polarizing nature of the conflict," the spokesperson said.

"However, we will consider the report carefully and respond directly to the authors once we have had time to study it in detail," the spokesperson added.

[FrazeeDK]

no terrorism against Jordan in the 1950's for its annexation of the West Bank... There wasn't much of a Palestinian Liberation movement back then.. However, you might remember the name "Black September". Here's how that worked in Jordan with Palestinians attempting to foment a civil war and overthrow the Hashemite rulers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September So, no love lost between the Jordanian government and Palestinian "refugees"...

[jackspratt]

And over an extended period of time.

BBC Apologizes for Falsely Reporting Israeli Army Targets “Medical Teams” in Gaza
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv ... 235647734/

“We apologize for this error, which fell below our usual editorial standards. The correct version of events was broadcast minutes later and we apologized for the mistake on air later in the morning,” the British public broadcaster added in the apology read on air by a BBC News host.

Isn't this what any responsible news organisation does when an error has occurred?

BBC Apologizes For Reporting Unverified Hamas Claim Israel Was “Executing” Palestinians In Gaza
https://deadline.com/2024/01/bbc-apolog ... 235700076/

See above.

The BBC breached editorial guidelines over 1,500 times in Israel-Hamas conflict, report claims
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bbc-breac ... ort-claims

See post above responding to Alex.

BBC pushes 'steady diet of woke bias,' free speech advocacy group says
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bbc-pushe ... group-says

A loaded word - "woke". Very much in the eye of the beholder.

BBC Bias 'Far WORSE Than Ever Expected' Over Israel vs Hamas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFl3WXJ ... nel=TalkTV

Same as the first Fox News link above.

[Udon Map]

Isn't this what any responsible news organisation does when an error has occurred?

It is, of course. But I find it concerning that all of the errors seem to be casting Israel in a negative light based on believing the Hamas PR machine without doing adequate checking and verification.

[AlexO]

no terrorism against Jordan in the 1950's for its annexation of the West Bank... There wasn't much of a Palestinian Liberation movement back then.. However, you might remember the name "Black September". Here's how that worked in Jordan with Palestinians attempting to foment a civil war and overthrow the Hashemite rulers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September So, no love lost between the Jordanian government and Palestinian "refugees"...

Seems that Israel were holding the West Bank from 67 onward so was it Jordan or Israel that were the targets.
I would say there is no love lost between all Arab states otherwise the squatters would have relocated long ago.
PS
Iran is not an Arab state, maybe thats where the problem lies.