Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[tamada]

The Palestinian sympathizers would do well to try to dispute this film clip. I'm not a Jew nor am I a religious person. I have always been amazed how Israel manages to survive in such a hostile land.

The billions that Israel receives in foreign aid is wisely invested in ensuring their existence.

The billions that Iran gives to Hamas and Hezbollah is foolishly wasted on trying to erase Israel and the Jews.

[glalt]

It has to be scary and depressing knowing that your neighbors say the Israel has no right to even exist.

[Kenr6583]

Ah religion, the true root of all evil.

Different religious sects have been fighting over this piece of land for thousands of years and it’s ever going to stop no matter who gets “wiped out”.

[Doodoo]

"Matthew Levitt, a former U.S. official specialised in counterterrorism, estimated the bulk of Hamas' budget of more than $300 million came from taxes on business, as well as from countries including Iran and Qatar or charities."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-16/

[tamada]

The IDF tell people in Gaza to evacuate certain hospitals ahead of action . They say they cannot, pleading on behalf of the sick or injured who cannot easily be moved. Note that "they" is never identified as a person or an entity. It is largely an unattributed claim. I don't recall the Hamas-controlled health authority saying or doing anything more than issuing the daily body count. In the meantime, western media will interview non-arab or UN agency staffers "on the ground" who parrot the dire humanitarian crisis line. I think they've been running out of diesel in 24-hours for at least a fortnight already.

The IDF bombs the hospital anyway because EVERYONE on BOTH sides knows that the access to Hamas's tunnel networks are either near or inside these hospitals. It is improbable that the hospital owners, directors or administrators are unaware of this. It is highly likely they are threatened or otherwise coerced into allowing this while some probably agree to it because they too deny Israel's right to exist and Jews to live. They support Hamas.

When the IDF offensive kicked off, the locals fled their homes to camp in hospital parking lots because someone told them they'll be safer there. Again, we don't know who "they" are that tell the civilians to do it. But they do it anyway, because the Israeli's are supposed to be bound to a higher moral standard and, unwilling to face "global" approbation, won't attack. The Israeli's are bound to a higher moral authority but when the human shield defense is being openly flaunted by entities with no moral compass and who's highest moral standard invokes martyrdom, their best defence is offense.

[Udon Map]

There's been some discussion upthread about whether Hamas did this or that when it invaded Israel. This may shed some light on the topic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigat ... rcna122564

[tamada]

Much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the world's hand-wringers after the Israeli air force bombed the Hamas enclaves inside and underneath the Jabaliya refugee camp for a second day. The craters are deep so the bunker-busters are working. That's why so many buildings in the vicinity suffered catastrophic structural damage as they sank into the rats nest beneath them

Just thinking how much PERMANENT housing Hamas could provide with that $300 million instead of stuffing the people that voted for them into slums and hiding behind them.

[FrazeeDK]

and all the steel and concrete they stole from aid coming into Gaza for housing to build said tunnels...

Why is it I never see the UN pointing an angry finger at Hamas and telling them to give up the hostages NOW!! or telling Hamas to stop violating international conventions by co-locating with civilian buildings????

[Doodoo]

unless a vote is held and and it isnt condemned by one nation or another the UN is pretty useless

https://www.reuters.com/world/un-overwh ... 023-10-27/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

[jackspratt]

Why is it I never see the UN pointing an angry finger at Hamas and telling them to give up the hostages NOW!!

Not hard to find - at around 40 seconds.



and

https://www.reuters.com/world/un-aid-ch ... 023-10-10/

[tamada]

After what has happened during the 617 days (and counting) of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, any invocation of "war crimes" by anyone under the UN banner, especially those from a nation with a seat on their security council, is being a bit disingenuous to say the least.

[Doodoo]

He is a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Former President of the United States, therefore he has the credentials to offer his insite, Jimmy Carter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doHz5386_2U

[glalt]

There is no choice except to exterminate Hamas. Civilians cheer and celebrate the massacre of innocent people. Do most of the civilians support Hamas? It appears the the majority do support terrorism. How can we sympathize with this sort of people? Even children are celebrating. They may be too young to really understand but they too are brainwashed from birth so it is impossible to change. They too become terrorists when they are old enough to carry a gun.

[Doodoo]

"Hamas" is not a thing, a place but is a thought which cannot be erased. So, forget it if you think that you can just wipe it off the history books.

[jackspratt]

So are you suggesting extermination (of Hamas), followed by mass sterilization (of Gazan and Left Bank women of child bearing age) - or what is left of them when the current slaughter has inevitably ended?

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?

[tamada]

So are you suggesting extermination (of Hamas), followed by mass sterilization (of Gazan and Left Bank women of child bearing age) - or what is left of them when the current slaughter has inevitably ended?

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?

No need for all that talk about sterilisation and diplomacy.

Just exterminate Hamas (and the Iranian mullahs). Trump had the right idea when he sanctioned taking out that Iranian Quds Commander. Biden's disregard of the Abraham Accords just because it came from the Trump administration with the reality of a Saudi-Israeli rapprochement is what has inspired Hamas's madness.

[jackspratt]

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?

[mak]

Wonder Woman goes to war.

[AlexO]

So are you suggesting extermination (of Hamas), followed by mass sterilization (of Gazan and Left Bank women of child bearing age) - or what is left of them when the current slaughter has inevitably ended?

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?

No need for all that talk about sterilisation and diplomacy.

Just exterminate Hamas (and the Iranian mullahs). Trump had the right idea when he sanctioned taking out that Iranian Quds Commander. Biden's disregard of the Abrahams Accord just because it came from the Trump administration with the reality of a Saudi-Israeli rapprochement is what has inspired Hamas's madness.

I would say you hit the proverbial nail on the Head there Tam.
The Iranian leadership lunatics hate the fact that Muslims even the despised Sunni's would accept any kind of non Muslim nation in the Middle East. The Hamas leadership have no qualms about losing 1000's of lives as long as all Muslim nations unite and rise against the non-believers (kaffirs) of Islam.
After they win that battle they can then deal with the Sunni problem.
sPratty where have you been for 40 years? There have been numerous accords for an acceptable solution to the Palestine problem most of which are eventually broken by one sides extremist minority or other.

[tamada]

Do you ever consider what has led to the current situation, and perhaps what efforts could be taken by both sides to change the equation?

Have you?