Israel under attack from hamas, war declared.

[glalt]

Extermination is an accurate descriptive word. Cockroaches hide everywhere, yes, even in schools and hospitals. They especially like underground hiding in tiles and dark places.

They have spend billions of aid dollars on underground tiles (tunnels). What good do these tunnels do for civilians and children? Those tiles will eventually be destroyed with bunker buster munitions, The eyes in the sky will find most of the major tiles. Technology is a major aid in the extermination.

[tamada]

For clarity, I have corrected my earlier post that incorrectly identified the Abraham Accords as the Abrahams Accord.

Although I can find no reference to the latter, singular accord or the claim that it originated during the Obama administration, or depends on any linkage with Jared Trump's Middle East peace initiative, I was referring to the former, plural accords, which is the most recent and most relevant iteration of these agreements that only awaited Saudi Arabia as signatory for full promulgation. It has been suggested that if Saudi Arabia had agreed, that Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country may have also signed.

Since wikipedia is an 'open book' and subject to stating fact as well as opinion depending on how swiftly it is moderated, the following link should clarify the agreement that I was referencing and includes the text thereof.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Abraham-Accords

[noosard]

Abraham Accords Tony, not the originating Abraham Accord. See references by both myself and noosard. Doodoo posted nothing about the originating Accord only about the subsequent Accords.

As for the Voice, I accurately predicted that the vote would fail.

Still smarting about the M1. You stated you were driving from Queensland to places South on the M1. I corrected you as the M1 run from Brisbane to Tweed Heads South and ends at Minjugbul Drive (spelling). The Pacific Hwy run from Tweed Heads South to a point West of Newcastle, it is renamed the M1 at that point and rejoins the Pacific Highway at Wahroongah in Sydney's North.

You are wrong on all three counts, congratulations, three times wrong in a single post.

The forum history is all there for you to reference, if you want to refute anything I posted, show those posts.

The chances of 'The Voice' referendum getting up is interesting.

Those opposing look like they may do well in Queensland and Western Australia. If the other 4 states vote YES, this opposition will be nullified as the referendum needs a majority of the states to vote YES.

A simple national majority above 50% will have to be achieved. Given that 17 Million, out of a population of 26 million, are in NSW, Vic, SA and Tas, the chances of a 50% national majority seems very achievable but will need a strong YES majority in NSW and Victoria

Voting is compulsory, despite this, the undecided may simply not vote, if this pans out, the YES vote will be strongly favoured. Still, the referendum date is 6 to 8 months away, a long way to go in this battle. If the YES vote gets up, Dutton is toast.

[Whistler]

Correct Noosard, I made no prediction one way or another at that time

However on September 25 I said it looked like a misjudgement on the part of Albo because it would not get up.

[Sport]

Correct Noosard, I made no prediction one way or another at that time
However on September 25 I said it looked like a misjudgement on the part of Albo because it would not get up.

Yes a major and disastrous $430m stuff up by albosleazy. All that money gone down the gurgler.

[jackspratt]

Unless the Gazans and the Israelis had a vote in the Voice referendum, this important thread seems to be heading way off-topic.

[Sport]

Sorry JS, I will keep my comments on the mid east conflict.

[AlexO]

Oh! ...... so you didn't originally post the below post in this thread, before having a lightbulb moment, and moving it to the appropriate thread?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67238144
Seems like the 'Fascist' UK Government are not the only ones starting to take a stand against Illegal Invaders.
Germany (the least right-wing member of the EU) starting to object to other Nations not processing these invaders, just allowing them to pass through to the Countries with bigger pots of honey as far as the invaders are concerned.
Love the BBC's new terminology, no longer Refugee's, or desperate Migrants. Now they are 'Irregular Migrants', new WOKE term for Illegal Invaders.

OH jee, sPratty, your so clever!
I already stated that I posted in the wrong thread, did not know that this was an 'open your veins' offence.
Nice to see your posting average for this month is being maintained.
I corrected my mistake, perhaps someone's parents should have done the same.
Keep on posting you know you love it but find something useful next time.

[Whistler]

For clarity, I have corrected my earlier post that incorrectly identified the Abraham Accords as the Abrahams Accord.

Although I can find no reference to the latter, singular accord or the claim that it originated during the Obama administration, or depends on any linkage with Jared Trump's Middle East peace initiative, I was referring to the former, plural accords, which is the most recent and most relevant iteration of these agreements that only awaited Saudi Arabia as signatory for full promulgation. It has been suggested that if Saudi Arabia had agreed, that Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country may have also signed.

Since wikipedia is an 'open book' and subject to stating fact as well as opinion depending on how swiftly it is moderated, the following link should clarify the agreement that I was referencing and includes the text thereof.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Abraham-Accords

In fact I quoted an Arabic news source as well, the wiki info is credible. You don't have to think very hard to understand these sorts of agreements are subject of many talks over many years. I would suggest the accords were made despite Trumps clumsy insults about the Muslim world.

https://medium.com/nilc/86-times-donald ... e67584ac10

It is a matter of record that most presidents with the exception of both Bush presidents, realised the benefit of a peaceful Middle East.

As Ken pointed out, the Trump administration was not that smart in bringing the parties to the table in 2020. The truth about his son in laws shenanigans is now emerging.

Hopefully the bilateral agreements survive this latest flare up.

[tamada]

Thanks for the information although reading the cited link you provided that does reference a slightly more precise chronology that's missing from the 'generic' wiki, I disagree on your identifying the ACW as an "Arabic news source".

For example, when they oppine, "Labeling Arab-Israeli normalization as a form of “peace” is therefore inaccurate. Rather, it is a process that rejects genuine negotiations and deeper reflections on the reasons for conflict, instead using state-level coercion and power to achieve various aims. In other words, the Abraham Accords and everything that has followed since can only be seen as authoritarian conflict management."

In lieu of any concerted inter-arab discourse on achieving a "genuine" negotiated settlement, it simply sees the Israeli and non-arab countries efforts to seek a solution as enduring repression akin to colonialism.

Nevertheless, it's very helpful in portraying the obstinacy of certain Muslim arab states on acceptance of any viable alternatives beyond the opinion that Israel and Jews be eradicated.

This map from the wiki displaying the "friends (green) and foes (red)" of the initial 2020 Accords is as telling as it is surprising.

[mak]

"the death toll among Thai workers climbing to 34 and the number of Thai hostages held by Hamas rising to 24."

[tamada]

This from Joseph Castillo via LinkedIn

Israel has allegedly killed 7,000 or 8,000 Palestinians, while the Saudis have killed at least 150,000 Yemeni Muslims. Some estimates suggest up to 300,000 Yemeni Muslims may have been killed in the Saudi-Iran proxy war in Yemen.

How can we call the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict a 'genocide' when what the Saudis did is hardly even discussed by Muslims? Twelve years after protesters in Syria first demonstrated against the four-decade rule of the Assad family, hundreds of thousands of Syrians have been killed and nearly thirteen million people—more than half the country’s prewar population—have been displaced.

Well over three-quarters of a million Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in recent conflicts. Yet when Israel retaliates against a terrorist organization that has killed, raped, and maimed 1,500 of its citizens, the whole Muslim world screams ‘genocide’. Perhaps Arabs are incapable of simple calculation even though they invented mathematics. What is 8000 as a percentage of 750,000?

Israel kills 1.07% of the Muslims that Muslims kill of themselves, and the Arab world is beside itself with rage. Perhaps Muslim on Muslim homicide is ok, like certain crime in Chicago. Arab outrage seems to have less to do with preserving Muslim lives and more to do with a religious fantasy of hostility toward Jews. The protests, the outcries, the accusations of genocide and unfairness are disingenuous. If Muslims bemoan the loss of Muslim lives, then why do they kill each other in such great numbers?

[Whistler]

Excellent assessment.

[Udon Map]

This from Joseph Castillo via LinkedInYet when Israel retaliates against a terrorist organization that has killed, raped, and maimed 1,500 of its citizens, the whole Muslim world screams ‘genocide’. Perhaps Arabs are incapable of simple calculation even though they invented mathematics. What is 8000 as a percentage of 750,000?

It's not about any allegedly stolen land or anything else. It's about ridding the world of Jews. The rest is just excuses, rationalizations.

[Sport]

It's not about any allegedly stolen land or anything else. It's about ridding the world of Jews. The rest is just excuses, rationalizations.

I agree UM with that comment.

[Doodoo]

Tell this to a Muslim and or a Jew child They dont care one way or the other as someone will be bombing them or shooting at them.

[Udon Map]

Tell this to a Muslim and or a Jew child They dont care one way or the other as someone will be bombing them or shooting at them.

To people who express this sentiment, usually favoring a cease-fire, where were you for the past couple of decades while Hamas was firing thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel each year? I didn't hear any cries for a cease fire then.

The Gazan civilians who are killed have only Hamas to blame. It is well known that Hamas bases its offices and missile launching sites in civilian areas, at hospitals, schools, etc. The Gazan civilians who don't have homes, water, electricity, etc., have only Hamas to blame. There are hundreds of tunnels under Gaza, built with the concrete that Gaza received in foreign aid and Hamas expropriated for its own uses. Israel will do what is necessary to defeat Hamas. Any country would do the same. What happens afterwards is a different, and complicated, question.

[Doodoo]

How Much Aid Does the U.S. Give to Israel?

The United States has given Israel more aid than any other nation since World War II, granting it more than $260 billion.


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... -to-israel

[Doodoo]

"To people who express this sentiment, usually favoring a cease-fire, where were you for the past couple of decades while Hamas was firing thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel each year? I didn't hear any cries for a cease fire then."

Where was I? I was probably in the same position as you were but with a different question
Why are these people being treated the same as the Jews during WW2.

Afterwards is not complicated and will only become complicated as long as other countries keep poking their noses into their business. Let the Arabs and Jews look after themselves or give each the needed resources and call us when they are done

[Udon Map]

Where was I? I was probably in the same position as you were but with a different question. Why are these people being treated the same as the Jews during WW2.

A legitimate question. Of course, there aren't millions of Arabs being herded into gas chambers, but that's picking at nits, no? Do you really believe that the way that Gazans have been treated is equivalent to what the Nazis did? If so, then you and I have a very different understanding of historical events.

Perhaps if the Arabs had accepted the U.N. decision establishing Israel, we wouldn't have this problem. They seem happy to adopt the U.N. position when it favors them.

Let the Arabs and Jews look after themselves . . . .

Agreed. Exactly what's happening now.

The Arabs have repeatedly rejected a two state solution. They want Israel and the Jews gone. When they decide to live side-by-side in peace, then perhaps some progress will be made. Until then, unlikely.