Former US President Trump shot and alive.

[Kenr6583]

Not all AR-15's are created equally. The one used in this particular case was on the cheaper end and a poor choice for effective long-range shooting, manufactured by DPMS.

Exactly where is the manufacturer and price of the AR15 used revealed.
130m can hardly be called Long Range Shooting even by civilian standards.
Just remember that the military are supplied by the cheapest available manufacturer and even the worst soldier is supposed to be able to hit a target at 300m at least 70% of the time.

I was referring to quality, not price, when referencing the gun manufacturer, DPMS. DPMS is not known for their quality. The information of the brand was provided by law enforcement to the news agencies.

I would consider Colt and Sig Sauer as top manufacturers who use quality materials to manufacture their guns.

Even though 130m may not be considered “long-range” it is well over a football field, and as a soldier we were not taught to take a head shot because of the smaller target area and the fact that we only used the front sight on our M-16. We weren’t, or at least I wasn’t, trained to be a sniper.

[deankham]

Young kid probably spent too much time playing 'call of duty' on his PlayStation. The headshot is the shot of choice in the games and in the movies!

I wonder if Trump will reconsider his stance on gun control if re-elected? Probably not, but coming so close to certain death must play on his mind a little at least.

[Declan MacPherson]

I wonder if Trump will reconsider his stance on gun control if re-elected? Probably not, but coming so close to certain death must play on his mind a little at least.

I'm sure that coming so close to certain death plays on Trump's mind, but not gun control. Just a guess, but by now he's probably wondering why the Secret Service detail allowed him to take the stage when they had already spotted the shooter with a clear line of sight to the stage area.

Besides, gun control isn't up to the POTUS. It's up to the US Constitution and the SCOTUS (which has recently made plain that the right shall not be infringed).

The cities and states with the highest levels of gun control, that restrict purchases and possession by law-abiding citizens seeking to defend themselves, have extremely high gun crime rates.

There are already waiting periods and background checks. Not sure what exactly the gun grabbers want to impose next -- other than taking away guns completely. That won't happen.

[jackspratt]

I wonder if Trump will reconsider his stance on gun control if re-elected? Probably not, but coming so close to certain death must play on his mind a little at least.

You give him far too much credit.

He, like the Awful 6 on the Supreme Court, realises that the founding fathers had always intended that citizens should be able to own AR-15 style automatic weapons.

[Doodoo]

I haven't read an articles that a head shot was taken. All we know is that the bullet hit his ear.

[anefarious1]

All this talk of Trump almost being killed. What about Pence? Remember him? We just got the VP replacement pick because last VP was being hunted by Trump's worshipers. They brought gallows to the Capital for Pence's hanging. That's how insane this cult is.

[Declan MacPherson]

Despite what some try to claim, the AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle (one round per trigger pull just like a semi-automatic pistol) that shoots a .223 caliber bullet (high velocity .22 round). The AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon, which requires a special permit and a tax stamp from the ATF.

Knowledge is Power
https://www.wideners.com/blog/22lr-vs-2 ... -calibers/

[mak]

"I've just realized the specious hypocrisy of an American high school already having "trained shooters."
I had rifle and shooting practice in primary and secondary schools in the '50s. It was part of the CCF training.

Well, there you go.

"The Combined Cadet Force (CCF) is a youth organisation in the United Kingdom, sponsored by the Ministry of Defence (MOD), which operates in schools, sub divided into Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Army and Royal Air Force sections."

[jackspratt]

The AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon, .......

..... until you fit a bump stock, which are legal in all but 15 US states, including Pennsylvania.

[tamada]

https://x.com/ComplexSneakers/status/18 ... 8290980884

[Doodoo]

OH, here we go. Imagine a person preparing for an attempt on a Presidential candidate.
Here is an example of what he/she would be going thru prior to the attempt.
"The AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon, which requires a special permit and a tax stamp from the ATF."

Checklist for an Assassin

Weapon ready, AR 15 loaded, sighted in
Tripod attached to weapon
Ammunition available
Camouflage clothing available
Special permit applied for via the ATF for rifle
Tax paid for the special permit
Bus pass




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The AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon, which requires a special permit and a tax stamp from the ATF."

[Declan MacPherson]

Despite what anyone may claim, a bump stock does not make any semi-automatic weapon an automatic weapon or "machine gun." Each trigger pull is still only one shot. It simply uses the recoil of the weapon firing to accelerate the trigger pulls. A person's individual coordination will determine the effectiveness of their bump stock use.

The US ATF attempted to make the bump stocks illegal and called them "machine guns", but federal agencies cannot make laws. The Supreme Court vacated this regulation in June 2024 in Garland v. Cargill and stated that bump stocks are not "machine guns."

State laws, which are not federal law, still ban the bump stock in 15 states and DC. So like many other gun laws, they may be different from state to state.

[AlexO]

Not all AR-15's are created equally. The one used in this particular case was on the cheaper end and a poor choice for effective long-range shooting, manufactured by DPMS.

Exactly where is the manufacturer and price of the AR15 used revealed.
130m can hardly be called Long Range Shooting even by civilian standards.
Just remember that the military are supplied by the cheapest available manufacturer and even the worst soldier is supposed to be able to hit a target at 300m at least 70% of the time.

I was referring to quality, not price, when referencing the gun manufacturer, DPMS. DPMS is not known for their quality. The information of the brand was provided by law enforcement to the news agencies.

I would consider Colt and Sig Sauer as top manufacturers who use quality materials to manufacture their guns.

Even though 130m may not be considered “long-range” it is well over a football field, and as a soldier we were not taught to take a head shot because of the smaller target area and the fact that we only used the front sight on our M-16. We weren’t, or at least I wasn’t, trained to be a sniper.

Cheaper tends to refer to cost.
Never seen an article on rifle manufacturer but will bow to your superior sources.
No argument about gun makers, who makes the AR15 General issue weapon to USA Armed Forces now.
As I said Centre of Mass is the clever shot especially with a high velocity rifle round. Thats why I questioned the shooters competency.
M16's were initially just iron sights, same as I was trained on the 7.62 SLR, however the introduction of magnifying sights on general issue weapons massively improved shooting standards in all units that received them.
Was never sniper trained (their skills are not just shooting) but was good enough to win a few medals in military competitions. Trained lots of guys to become good shots which was a prerequisite of their trade.

[AlexO]

Despite what some try to claim, the AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle (one round per trigger pull just like a semi-automatic pistol) that shoots a .223 caliber bullet (high velocity .22 round). The AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon, which requires a special permit and a tax stamp from the ATF.

Knowledge is Power
https://www.wideners.com/blog/22lr-vs-2 ... -calibers/

The Military version is and it fires 5.56 calibre ammo.
The civilian version is supposed to be semi-automatic which mean fires a single round each time you squeeze the trigger. Tests have shown that this non-automatic can fire around 250 rounds each minute only problem is magazine capacity. I would rather be behind the sharp end when some headcase wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

[pipoz4444]

Curious as to what the SS Snipper gun was.

Anybody have a idea

pipoz4444

[AlexO]

Explain SS Snipper gun. Give us a clue to what you are referring too please.

[sometimewoodworker]

Explain SS Snipper gun. Give us a clue to what you are referring too please.

Probably the Secret Service Sniper gun that had to be moved down to an extremely low elevation as it was tasked for much longer range threats

[Doodoo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sniper_rifles
A gun is a device designed to propel a projectile using pressure or explosive force.

[tamada]

Explain SS Snipper gun. Give us a clue to what you are referring too please.

Probably the Secret Service Sniper gun that had to be moved down to an extremely low elevation as it was tasked for much longer range threats

There's media photographs of what is assumed to be the government snipers, both in position as well as walking up the sloping roof. Their kevlar says Police so these may not have been "SS snippers" but local law enforcement sharp shooters who also contributed to site (in)security.

[Declan MacPherson]

Many reports today are indicating that the majority of Trump's security team that day were NOT Secret Service agents -- and it shows. Fat. Short. Slow. Incompetent.

The excuse given by DHS is that their best agents were at the NATO Summit in DC and at Jill's event in Pennsylvania.

More information seems to be leaking out every day.