Donald Trump within a few days of criminal charges

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Okay.

Biden is a polar opposite of Trump, has redeeming values, and whose party understands this.

Along with 81 million plus voters at the 2020 election.

Time to name Biden's "redeeming values". And try and avoid mentioning Trump's total lack thereof, aka the "but Trump" narrative. He's no longer the focus of our discussion here.

Well, there is this about President Biden, I hope it is what you are looking for on the Trump thread:

Previous denials that the Bidens ever talked business are gone. So is the denial of Chinese revenues.

The new White House line: The president was never actually in business with his son.

The Democrats' counter-argument here is that none of this proves anything of substance about the president.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/hunter-biden-ex ... -1.6928591

[Whistler]

This thread is about Donald Trump. His crimes, misdemeanours, etc have nothing to do with the Bush family, the father, the son or even the holy ghost

...or Biden and his cheerleaders.

Biden will not go down in history as a top ten president, nor will he be in the 10 worst. I don't know of any cheerleaders on this forum, he is ordinary.

Trump on the other hand his highly polarising, Glalt, sempfiguy, trekkertony, maybe Sport and a few others still think the sun shines out of his orifice, most others seem to think the criminal actions against him are overdue.

Biden seems to me to be a harmless, likeable old guy, semi competent but plagued by a poor VP and an opportunistic son who does his old man no favours.

If you think he has cheerleaders, who do you think falls into that category?

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Biden may not be harmless. After all, he has been around the corridors of power for a long time, and knows lots about power politics and manipulation. You can't survive in that environment without showing a ruthless side now and then.

The best points is his favour are that he is not Trump, and he will not try to destroy the country to get his way.

[tamada]

The fact that he's not Trump still dominates much the same way as the "but Obama" and "but Clinton" arguments resulted in getting Trump.

Shallow with no redeeming factors, same as the opposition candidates (and their parties).

[Whistler]

Methinks Tam is a Trumpster.

[tamada]

Methinks Tam is a Trumpster.

Really? This after my very recent touting of the merits of a... let's see, a "Hai Krishna raised conspiracy theorists that loves Putin?" in another thread?

Methinks you're grabbing at that low-hanging fruit again.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

The fact that he's not Trump still dominates much the same way as the "but Obama" and "but Clinton" arguments resulted in getting Trump.

Shallow with no redeeming factors, same as the opposition candidates (and their parties).

You missed the part about Biden being a career politician who knows his way around the political game that is Washington. Trump, on the other hand, does not understand as well. At least his actions tend to speak for themselves. He does not do consensus or compromise very well. A bull in a china shop comes to mind with Trump, no.

[Kenr6583]

For a guy who seems to always talk about being anti-China, Trump and his businesses, along with his children, seem to do a lot of business in that part of the world.

I guess he doesn’t like to practice what he preaches, go figure.

[tamada]

The fact that he's not Trump still dominates much the same way as the "but Obama" and "but Clinton" arguments resulted in getting Trump.

Shallow with no redeeming factors, same as the opposition candidates (and their parties).

You missed the part about Biden being a career politician who knows his way around the political game that is Washington. Trump, on the other hand, does not understand as well. At least his actions tend to speak for themselves. He does not do consensus or compromise very well. A bull in a china shop comes to mind with Trump, no.

Didn't miss a thing. Being able to hold your breath in the swamp that is Washington is very, very highly valued by some. There are career politicians and career criminals. Trump's only redeeming factor is he highlighted their similarities, especially after he found out it's impossible to drain that swamp.

[Whistler]

The fact that he's not Trump still dominates much the same way as the "but Obama" and "but Clinton" arguments resulted in getting Trump.

Shallow with no redeeming factors, same as the opposition candidates (and their parties).

You missed the part about Biden being a career politician who knows his way around the political game that is Washington. Trump, on the other hand, does not understand as well. At least his actions tend to speak for themselves. He does not do consensus or compromise very well. A bull in a china shop comes to mind with Trump, no.

Didn't miss a thing. Being able to hold your breath in the swamp that is Washington is very, very highly valued by some. There are career politicians and career criminals. Trump's only redeeming factor is he highlighted their similarities, especially after he found out it's impossible to drain that swamp.

Why would the biggest croc in the swamp want to drain it?

https://youtu.be/lnvqOYaCSrQ

[tamada]

The fact that he's not Trump still dominates much the same way as the "but Obama" and "but Clinton" arguments resulted in getting Trump.

Shallow with no redeeming factors, same as the opposition candidates (and their parties).

You missed the part about Biden being a career politician who knows his way around the political game that is Washington. Trump, on the other hand, does not understand as well. At least his actions tend to speak for themselves. He does not do consensus or compromise very well. A bull in a china shop comes to mind with Trump, no.

Didn't miss a thing. Being able to hold your breath in the swamp that is Washington is very, very highly valued by some. There are career politicians and career criminals. Trump's only redeeming factor is he highlighted their similarities, especially after he found out it's impossible to drain that swamp.

Why would the biggest croc in the swamp want to drain it?

https://youtu.be/lnvqOYaCSrQ

You mean why did the biggest crock in the swamp at the time boast to everyone that he would drain it?

Beats me. But his voters didn't mind either way.

[Kenr6583]

Does anybody even know what the term “drain the swamp” was in reference to? The phrase was initially coined as reference to weeding out lobbyist and special interest groups, but Trump turned it into anything he disagreed with. It’s another phrase being used out of context, just like “woke”.

[tamada]

Does anybody even know what the term “drain the swamp” was in reference to? The phrase was initially coined as reference to weeding out lobbyist and special interest groups, but Trump turned it into anything he disagreed with. It’s another phrase being used out of context, just like “woke”.

The notion of draining the swamp resonated with many of all political persuasions who see Washington as a haven for corrupt kleptocrats filling their boots. It was nothing more than electioneering jingoism like, "Read my lips, no new taxes." Unfortunately, there's a f*ck ton of conservative leaning dipsticks that believed (and still believe) in him.

The truth is, no matter how much Washington slime he slathered himself in, as nothing more than a NYC slumlord, he was never going to be accepted. I believe for the greater part of his administration, the real power brokers, shakers and movers simply planned around his dumb, narcissistic ass. Let him fly around in Air Force One and Two, feed his ego and keep him away from pointy things.

[Doodoo]

Drain the swamp is a metaphor that means to root out corruption. It’s often used in politics. Donald Trump did not coin it

"One of the earliest users was Victor L. Berger, a founding member of the Social Democratic Party of America. In a book called Capital Opinion, published in 1912, Berger wrote, “We should have to drain the swamp — change the capitalist system — if we want to get rid of those mosquitos."

" It has also been rumored that drain the swamp was taken from Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who was known to use the phrase “drenare la palude” (Italian for drain the swamp). While it is true that Mussolini used that phrase, it was sometimes in reference to literal swamps outside of Rome known as the Pontine marshes which were drained to prevent the spread of malaria "

https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/drain-the-swamp/

[tamada]

Drain the swamp is a metaphor that means to root out corruption. It’s often used in politics. Donald Trump did not coin it

"One of the earliest users was Victor L. Berger, a founding member of the Social Democratic Party of America. In a book called Capital Opinion, published in 1912, Berger wrote, “We should have to drain the swamp — change the capitalist system — if we want to get rid of those mosquitos."

" It has also been rumored that drain the swamp was taken from Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who was known to use the phrase “drenare la palude” (Italian for drain the swamp). While it is true that Mussolini used that phrase, it was sometimes in reference to literal swamps outside of Rome known as the Pontine marshes which were drained to prevent the spread of malaria "

https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/drain-the-swamp/

Nobody claimed that Trump coined the phrase but thanks for the Googlework anyway. It's quite amazing how terms originate, where they are used and by whom. More amazing in this case are the masses who thought he meant it.

[Doodoo]

"Nobody claimed that Trump"
Wasnt accusing anyone Tammy
Just stating a fact that a number of people thought

[tamada]

"Nobody claimed that Trump"
Wasnt accusing anyone Tammy
Just stating a fact that a number of people thought

Yup, fact is nobody here thought it was a Trump original.

[Kenr6583]

Drain the swamp is a metaphor that means to root out corruption. It’s often used in politics. Donald Trump did not coin it

"One of the earliest users was Victor L. Berger, a founding member of the Social Democratic Party of America. In a book called Capital Opinion, published in 1912, Berger wrote, “We should have to drain the swamp — change the capitalist system — if we want to get rid of those mosquitos."

" It has also been rumored that drain the swamp was taken from Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who was known to use the phrase “drenare la palude” (Italian for drain the swamp). While it is true that Mussolini used that phrase, it was sometimes in reference to literal swamps outside of Rome known as the Pontine marshes which were drained to prevent the spread of malaria "

https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/drain-the-swamp/

When did I say Trump coined it? Apparently you’re the only one who thought it because you’re the only one who mentioned it.

[tamada]

Georgia Grand Jury returns 10 indictments.

Will 45 be one of them?

[Doodoo]

Ken
Why are you wanting to pick an argument
I never said Trump coined it, This was information in the article