EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

[Aardvark]

An interesting Comparison ..... http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... rom-brexit

[Khun Paul]

Actually although a mere 52% voted to leave we forget that 48% voted to stay, now a referendum is just that it is a vote to allow the people of the UK to say to the parliament of the day that they would like to stay or go. It still as I understand , to be debated in the said Houses and a referendum is NOT law just an advice.
it may be that the majority of MPs will vote to leave but that I doubt, it maybe that the EU will not allow an about face of direction, but that I doubt also, it may be that the LEAVE voters will object if the decision is changed but that I doubt as well as so many realise the implications NOW when they were not explained fully.
Whatever the outcome it is interesting times for us over here, the pound going through the floor, means less money for us expats. Those of us who could not vote feel sidelined and hope like hell, commonsense will prevail.
Also lets us not forget the EEC ( Common Market) was a really good idea, what was not good is an attempt to make numerous nations with differing ideologies/cultures and even languages, one country with same laws applying to all. The British after all has spent centuries preserving its identity and culture, not wanting the Europeans many of which it fought to maintain its security and freedoms to tell it what to do.
So the EU needs to change which has been echoed by other countries. and change fast.

[MrFixer]

The 'Great EU cabbage myth' (mentioned by ronan01 - couple of posts up) has been around for years and is typical of how the gullible have been taken in by EU myths.
In actual fact there are no (i.e. zero) EU regulations relating specifically to the cabbage, so the information posted by ronan01 is completely false.. There are however some specific UK government regulations relating to cabbages which are nothing to do with the EU. UK 'Farm Assured' regulations for cabbages are 23510 words long.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35962999

The problem with democracy is that it relies on a reasonably intelligent populace with the capacity for some measure of critical thinking.

[parrot]

The 'Great EU cabbage myth' (mentioned by ronan01 - couple of posts up) has been around for years and is typical of how the gullible have been taken in by EU myths.
In actual fact there are no (i.e. zero) EU regulations relating specifically to the cabbage, so the information posted by ronan01 is completely false.. There are however some specific UK government regulations relating to cabbages which are nothing to do with the EU. UK 'Farm Assured' regulations for cabbages are 23510 words long.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35962999

The problem with democracy is that it relies on a reasonably intelligent populace with the capacity for some measure of critical thinking.

I've seen this problem before. Focus on debunking a candidate because he "wasn't really born in the US", or argue that we should believe the 3% of experts who debunk climate change and not believe the 97% that do, or argue that an economic expert who has a nobel prize and is against the idea of Brexit doesn't have a "real" nobel prize, or continue to argue against gun control because guns "don't kill people".
I like to think the folks in the US are going to learn a lesson from the UK vote.........come our own elections in November.

[ronan01]

The unreconstructed Marxists and far left socialists are foaming at the mouth over their forthcoming lack of control of the masses. Does not take long for the inner totalitarian to come out.

What I have found interesting is in the lead up to the vote these people suggested all should follow the advice of Goldman Sachs and various other bankers, who up till that time were the traditional enemies of the leftish class warriors.

The refrain the masses should have taken and followed the advice the "experts", instead of making up their own minds about what is good from them and voting accordingly is nothing more than the whining of bad losers.

That is democracy - the issues are presented, the voter considers them and votes accordingly.

As for not having an "exit plan" - the blame for this lies 100% with Cameron and his government. He called the referendum and should have had plans for either outcome. He did not because he arrogantly thought he would win, which demonstrates how far out of touch he and his political elite are with the electorate.

I note that a typical far left climate opportunist in the Guardian is actually writing that old people should not be allowed to vote on matters such as this because they will not be alive to witness the outcome of their vote.

I suspect that if the Remain vote won by 1% it would hailed a victory for democracy. But because the potty squealers don't like the outcome they will attempt to dismantle democracy. Sore losers.

[rick]

Why would Cameron have a plan? It was obvious that if Brexit won he was finished. It was just such a lack lustre campaign from the Government (and Labour due to Corbin, who actually doesn't like the EU). Those who led the exit campaign have already deleted their website, reneged on their promises and gone into hiding.

Meanwhile, now Wales wants to leave the UK .....

[ronan01]

Why would Cameron have a plan? It was obvious that if Brexit won he was finished. It was just such a lack lustre campaign from the Government (and Labour due to Corbin, who actually doesn't like the EU). Those who led the exit campaign have already deleted their website, reneged on their promises and gone into hiding.

Meanwhile, now Wales wants to leave the UK .....

To have a plan for either outcome would be the sensible and responsible thing to do. Its a no brainer.

Cameron called the referendum - he should have directed his government to prepare plans for either outcome.

Whether he is finished or not has nothing to do with it.

As I, and others, see it, it looks like Cameron has made a nice big mess and has basically poisoned the well for those who will follow.

[papafarang]

Why would Cameron have a plan? It was obvious that if Brexit won he was finished. It was just such a lack lustre campaign from the Government (and Labour due to Corbin, who actually doesn't like the EU). Those who led the exit campaign have already deleted their website, reneged on their promises and gone into hiding.

Meanwhile, now Wales wants to leave the UK .....

To have a plan for either outcome would be the sensible and responsible thing to do. Its a no brainer.

Cameron called the referendum - he should have directed his government to prepare plans for either outcome.

Whether he is finished or not has nothing to do with it.

As I, and others, see it, it looks like Cameron has made a nice big mess and has basically poisoned the well for those who will follow.

well I fully agree with ronan .Cameron quitting after the vote just made the markets even worse, and he knew it would. camerons resignation without the referendum would have caused market fluctuations on its own

[noosard]

Cameron called the referendum - he should have directed his government to prepare plans for either outcome.


Now that is asking a pollie to think
Am sure "yes minister" would of had the answers to both outcomes

[noosard]

Osborne says now have to increase taxes
Why
Should be less piggies to feed now

[MrFixer]

ronan01, I think you need to recalibrate your political compass. Do you really believe its only "The unreconstructed Marxists and far left socialists" who felt that to remain was better? Presumably you think that Thatcher was some kind of revolutionary communist?

Cameron could not have a plan because the Brexit supporters had no plan or set of policies. Boris and Gove are just opportunists. Farage is an excellent and convincing orator, and has two very good speech writers, but at the end of the day UKIP is a populist protest movement - it is not a fully-formed political party with a comprehensive set of economic and social policies. Its one MP, Douglas Carswell, is not on speaking terms with Farage (Farage publicly called Carswell 'an irrelevance'). Farage once described Boris as 'mentally deranged' (although he does now apparently back Boris for PM). Hardly a bunch of people you want to entrust the future of the country to.

I think there will have to be some form of 'fudge' - maybe Article 50 will never actually be invoked, Or the UK will negotiate some form of Associate Membership.
I just can't see Boris invoking Article 50 and pressing the 'nuclear self-destruct' button on the British economy. He knows it would not only plunge the country into a severe recession but probably lead to the break up of the UK and he won't want to go down in history as the man who does that. Farage, of course, is a fanatic and would happily take the 'scorched earth' option, but thankfully I don't think there's much chance of him ever being PM.
It is worth noting that UK companies have already dropped £200bn in valuation (more than 20 years worth of EU contributions) and the country has slipped from 5th largest economy to 6th.
Now it seems that the promised extra £350M/week will not be going to the NHS after all and the removal of VAT on energy (if were to actually happen) is going to be wiped out by the effect of the falling pound. Tory 'Leave' MEP Daniel Hannan has said free movement could result in similar levels of immigration after Brexit. Hannan said: “Frankly, if people watching think that they have voted and there is now going to be zero immigration from the EU, they are going to be disappointed.”

[stattointhailand]

With the result being such a shock, I can't help wondering if a fair few of the Elite Classes (the money talks brigade), didn't actually make any preparations (just like Cameron) and will now need time to sort out their finances (get their money out) before any major political/financial decisions ARE ALLOWED to be made. :-"

[MrFixer]

Well, Boris owns property in New York and Belgium, so the falling pound potentially has an upside for him. Farage has always declined to give information about his tax affairs, but we do know that he set up a tax-avoidance trust in IoM. His brother apparently paid just shy of £1M dividend into it from the family company. How much Nigel has in there, nobody knows. He claims to be an 'ordinary bloke' but owns a number of expensive cars,including a 2010 Bentley Mulsanne (these days German of course, like his wife)..

[bigsnake]

Out GREAT! EU sucks

[GT93]

Farage: "You're not laughing now".

The EU has sucked for a long time. Hopefully the UK vote will roll the EU back. "EU" in my dictionary stands for continuous economic dramas. I'm concerned the UK Parliament will block Brexit and the drama will drag on and on.

[pipoz4444]

Whilst I don't normally agree with what Nigel Farage says, finally someone has got up in the EU Parliament and said to the EU Tossers, what should have been said a long time ago. "That they (those in the EU Parliament) are F...kn useless bunch of "Bureaucratic *******" - Well he didn't actually say that, but reading between the lines, he inferred the same [-o<

Nigel Farage, wouldn't be my pick for your next PM, but to coin a phrase, "He calls a Spade a Spade".

Pity you Poms didn't have another Maggie Thatcher around, as she would have been more outspoken to the "EU Twats". Yes some might also consider Nigel, a **** as well. =D>

pipoz444

[kulsungkham]

If you’re legally minded this might be of interest to you.

The outcome of the recent referendum for Britain to leave the European Union was merely advisory and new legislation would be required to quit the European Union.

British MPs must now pass a new bill in the Commons to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, which took the UK into the European Union. Clearly, the people who voted to leave will be upset considering that the majority of MPs voted to ‘remain’ but the fact is democracy in Britain doesn't mean majority rule... it's the representatives of the people, not the people themselves, who vote for them that controls the legislature otherwise mob rule would ensue.

Just a thought..!

[rick]

The UK voted decisively but with little idea as to what would follow a vote to leave the EU.
There is no route map or agreed strategy or list of demands. Everything has to be drawn up.
A group of individuals fought a highly effective campaign and won.
When asked what would happen after a vote to leave, they never gave a comprehensive answer.
They were a movement, not a party, and had no detailed manifesto.
Neither do they have any power.
All they have is the authority of 17 million votes behind them.

The former Chancellor Alistair Darling - a prominent figure in the Remain campaign - says: "We've got no government, no opposition. The people who got us into this mess have run away."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-uk- ... u-36650142

To true. No-one, including the Brexiters, wants the job.

[marjamlew]

How it really unfolded :-"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6HNXtdvVQ&sns=fb

[Lone Star]

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