General Discussion of UK Politics

[Drunk Monkey]

This just about sums up uk politics .. in an empty house ov parliament the great Rees Mogg is twadling on about breakfast preferences n an opposition mp coughs out .. what a C *unt .. UCMTSU .. there all just under worked lazy over paid n constantly takin the piss

https://youtu.be/Eqt0GU-ES88

[stattointhailand]

We could go for Udons favorite Tory......

[Earnest]

..... Tell me if Boris etc was so bad what solution did Starmer and his band of half wits come up with that was ignored.

Breaking news, Alex - whatever ideas and suggestions Starmer and the Labour Party may, or may not, have come up with are totally irrelevant. They weren't the government, now were they?

No, not irrelevant. People look at what's going on and think, 'wow, what a car crash'. Then they consider voting for Starmer or Wee Jimmy Krankie or even Ed Davey (if they're really hat stand). You will see the Conservatives get re-elected at the next General Election but with a much reduced majority because voters will start listening to Labour again. Starmer's starting to come up with alternative policies now but he wasn't last year.

[jackspratt]

And if Starmer and Labour had come up with alternative ideas and suggestions re COVID, would the Torys have listened, considered, acknowledged and thought about adopting any of them?

You know the answer to that - so my original point stands.

[AlexO]

..... Tell me if Boris etc was so bad what solution did Starmer and his band of half wits come up with that was ignored.

Breaking news, Alex - whatever ideas and suggestions Starmer and the Labour Party may, or may not, have come up with are totally irrelevant. They weren't the government, now were they?

No, not irrelevant. People look at what's going on and think, 'wow, what a car crash'. Then they consider voting for Starmer or Wee Jimmy Krankie or even Ed Davey (if they're really hat stand). You will see the Conservatives get re-elected at the next General Election but with a much reduced majority because voters will start listening to Labour again. Starmer's starting to come up with alternative policies now but he wasn't last year.

What alternatives, raise taxes, give Civil Servants and public sector workers more money. Raise the amount the unemployable can claim. Tax private companies to death or to abandon the UK because they are bled dry. Borrow huge amounts of money, just dont think how we pay it back. Plus the real cracker rejoin the EU!!! Nothing really new in the Loonie parties solution to everything for the last 50 years. Looking forward to that.

[stattointhailand]

And if Starmer and Labour had come up with alternative ideas and suggestions re COVID, would the Torys have listened, considered, acknowledged and thought about adopting any of them?

You know the answer to that - so my original point stands.

They DID adopt most of them ........ 2 weeks to a month later ........... which was in most cases 2 weeks to a month TOO LATE .....

One thing Johnson hasnt lied about .......... Labour have disagreed with nearly all the Tory suggestions on Covid .... correct, ........... thus they didnt "U turn" to end with the correct policy like he has

[Earnest]

..... Tell me if Boris etc was so bad what solution did Starmer and his band of half wits come up with that was ignored.

Breaking news, Alex - whatever ideas and suggestions Starmer and the Labour Party may, or may not, have come up with are totally irrelevant. They weren't the government, now were they?

No, not irrelevant.....

What alternatives, raise taxes, give Civil Servants and public sector workers more money. Raise the amount the unemployable can claim. Tax private companies to death or to abandon the UK because they are bled dry. Borrow huge amounts of money, just dont think how we pay it back. Plus the real cracker rejoin the EU!!! Nothing really new in the Loonie parties solution to everything for the last 50 years. Looking forward to that.

Oh, Jack, what have you done. I'm sure you get your jollies winding up British ex-pats.

Actually, Alex, rejoining the EU might not be a bad idea, we may get a better deal this time around.

Labour did come up with ideas and suggestions and were ignored by the Conservatives, Jack, but not by everyone. What I'm saying is that their ideas aren't irrelevant because they will be listened to by some of the British electorate (did I spell that correctly?) and they will benefit at the election.

Now then, I know I'm English but try not to be too confrontational, I'm offering you another perspective and you can't be right all the time, can you.

[AlexO]

And if Starmer and Labour had come up with alternative ideas and suggestions re COVID, would the Torys have listened, considered, acknowledged and thought about adopting any of them?

You know the answer to that - so my original point stands.

They DID adopt most of them ........ 2 weeks to a month later ........... which was in most cases 2 weeks to a month TOO LATE .....

One thing Johnson hasnt lied about .......... Labour have disagreed with nearly all the Tory suggestions on Covid .... correct, ........... thus they didnt "U turn" to end with the correct policy like he has

Come on Statts, just which ones. Just a couple of examples would be great. I cannot remember one but there again I am not such a political fanatic as you claim you are. Just a couple that made sense over the last 2 year will suffice.

[AlexO]

Actually, Alex, rejoining the EU might not be a bad idea, we may get a better deal this time around.

Labour did come up with ideas and suggestions and were ignored by the Conservatives, Jack, but not by everyone. What I'm saying is that their ideas aren't irrelevant because they will be listened to by some of the British electorate (did I spell that correctly?) and they will benefit at the election.

I am going to forgive you because its the end of the weekend and your either under the weather or missed your meds. Stop giving the haters ammo. The EU is finished , just dying a slow death and what sensible idea's did the loonies come up with in 2 years. Just a couple of workable examples will do.

[tamada]

Actually, Alex, rejoining the EU might not be a bad idea, we may get a better deal this time around.

Labour did come up with ideas and suggestions and were ignored by the Conservatives, Jack, but not by everyone. What I'm saying is that their ideas aren't irrelevant because they will be listened to by some of the British electorate (did I spell that correctly?) and they will benefit at the election.

I am going to forgive you because its the end of the weekend and your either under the weather or missed your meds. Stop giving the haters ammo. The EU is finished , just dying a slow death and what sensible idea's did the loonies come up with in 2 years. Just a couple of workable examples will do.

Take your pick.

https://redactionpolitics.com/2021/01/1 ... dopt-next/

[jackspratt]

Oh, Jack, what have you done. I'm sure you get your jollies winding up British ex-pats.

Are you hinting I should follow your example, and try to be more subtle in future?

[stattointhailand]

Off the top of my head Alex .....first lockdown which Bojo u turned on 3 weeks later
Wearing masks in Public ....... Tory U turn weeks later
Not re opening schools to let the virus spread amongst kids and get taken home .......Tory U turn One day later

etc etc

and they did say Test & go needed to be done by NHS and not a "Private mate" of some Tory doner. Its currently cost over 20 Billion quid, has never worked, and is STILL costing a million quid a day of taxpayers money for consultants to try to get it working

[stattointhailand]

Time for a DM style musical interlude .....

[Earnest]

Are you hinting I should follow your example, and try to be more subtle in future?

Oh no! My strategy is different yours, we have different motives.

[stattointhailand]

Bojo checking on the Russian troops on the Ukraine border

[AlexO]

Off the top of my head Alex .....first lockdown which Bojo u turned on 3 weeks later
Wearing masks in Public ....... Tory U turn weeks later
Not re opening schools to let the virus spread amongst kids and get taken home .......Tory U turn One day later

etc etc

and they did say Test & go needed to be done by NHS and not a "Private mate" of some Tory doner. Its currently cost over 20 Billion quid, has never worked, and is STILL costing a million quid a day of taxpayers money for consultants to try to get it working

Not arguing, however the Test and Go reference that has cost 20 Billion and not worked is a bit confusing. Did not know the UK had a Test and Go system in place and if the testing regime is not working how is the UK able to identify so many cases.
Both you and Tam have missed the point of the initial question. How many alternative solutions have the "positive opposition" you know, the loony left, come up with?

[stattointhailand]

Two "U turns" in two days ........

Is this a case of "a U turn a day keeps the 1922 committee away"?

[tamada]

Off the top of my head Alex .....first lockdown which Bojo u turned on 3 weeks later
Wearing masks in Public ....... Tory U turn weeks later
Not re opening schools to let the virus spread amongst kids and get taken home .......Tory U turn One day later

etc etc

and they did say Test & go needed to be done by NHS and not a "Private mate" of some Tory doner. Its currently cost over 20 Billion quid, has never worked, and is STILL costing a million quid a day of taxpayers money for consultants to try to get it working

Not arguing, however the Test and Go reference that has cost 20 Billion and not worked is a bit confusing. Did not know the UK had a Test and Go system in place and if the testing regime is not working how is the UK able to identify so many cases.
Both you and Tam have missed the point of the initial question. How many alternative solutions have the "positive opposition" you know, the loony left, come up with?

Maybe Test & Go is being imprecise but does the "pingdemic" ring any bells for you?

They are able to identify the cases because the great unwashed already know the apps are a bit rubbish so they self administer their own health checks, FOLLOW THE RULES and police themselves.

You missed the point. Why do you think the government are repeatedly u-turning? Because the opposition of all persuasions is increasingly holding this government's feet to the fire. When they come up with an edict that's unpopular with the electorate or simply ill-conceived, the opposition leads the way with voicing that popular discontent or pointing out the flaws.

The opposition can't initiate any "alternative solutions" so asking what they are is a bit pointless. Anyway, the PM trots them out weekly at PMQ's as he deflects from questions and criticism of the government's performance. I am not sure if the opposition are getting better at keeping this mob from going postal or if Bojo's magic bus is struggling without a driver.

But we're all united when it comes to watching the bus crash.

[AlexO]

Off the top of my head Alex .....first lockdown which Bojo u turned on 3 weeks later
Wearing masks in Public ....... Tory U turn weeks later
Not re opening schools to let the virus spread amongst kids and get taken home .......Tory U turn One day later

etc etc

and they did say Test & go needed to be done by NHS and not a "Private mate" of some Tory doner. Its currently cost over 20 Billion quid, has never worked, and is STILL costing a million quid a day of taxpayers money for consultants to try to get it working

Not arguing, however the Test and Go reference that has cost 20 Billion and not worked is a bit confusing. Did not know the UK had a Test and Go system in place and if the testing regime is not working how is the UK able to identify so many cases.
Both you and Tam have missed the point of the initial question. How many alternative solutions have the "positive opposition" you know, the loony left, come up with?

Maybe Test & Go is being imprecise but does the "pingdemic" ring any bells for you?

They are able to identify the cases because the great unwashed already know the apps are a bit rubbish so they self administer their own health checks, FOLLOW THE RULES and police themselves.

You missed the point. Why do you think the government are repeatedly u-turning? Because the opposition of all persuasions is increasingly holding this government's feet to the fire. When they come up with an edict that's unpopular with the electorate or simply ill-conceived, the opposition leads the way with voicing that popular discontent or pointing out the flaws.

The opposition can't initiate any "alternative solutions" so asking what they are is a bit pointless. Anyway, the PM trots them out weekly at PMQ's as he deflects from questions and criticism of the government's performance. I am not sure if the opposition are getting better at keeping this mob from going postal or if Bojo's magic bus is struggling without a driver.

But we're all united when it comes to watching the bus crash.

How many of the "unwashed" actually self administer their own health checks" The 6 of my family back home have only found out they had Covid because they went to a NHS test station as I suspect 99% of those diagnosed have as well. If you have any documented evidence please show us and we will then bow to your greater knowledge of life in the UK.
Did not say 'initiate' Tam merely asked what alternative 'solutions' have the loonies come up with as suggestions that they know better and that they are actually a positive opposition rather than just a bunch of halfwits who criticise anything the present Government does just to show that they are justifying their salaries. Answers on a postage stamp please. There is a saying in private industry, Don't just come to me with problems, come to me with possible solutions as well. Maybe todays 'never worked for a day before' have never heard that saying.

[tamada]

Off the top of my head Alex .....first lockdown which Bojo u turned on 3 weeks later
Wearing masks in Public ....... Tory U turn weeks later
Not re opening schools to let the virus spread amongst kids and get taken home .......Tory U turn One day later

etc etc

and they did say Test & go needed to be done by NHS and not a "Private mate" of some Tory doner. Its currently cost over 20 Billion quid, has never worked, and is STILL costing a million quid a day of taxpayers money for consultants to try to get it working

Not arguing, however the Test and Go reference that has cost 20 Billion and not worked is a bit confusing. Did not know the UK had a Test and Go system in place and if the testing regime is not working how is the UK able to identify so many cases.
Both you and Tam have missed the point of the initial question. How many alternative solutions have the "positive opposition" you know, the loony left, come up with?

Maybe Test & Go is being imprecise but does the "pingdemic" ring any bells for you?

They are able to identify the cases because the great unwashed already know the apps are a bit rubbish so they self administer their own health checks, FOLLOW THE RULES and police themselves.

You missed the point. Why do you think the government are repeatedly u-turning? Because the opposition of all persuasions is increasingly holding this government's feet to the fire. When they come up with an edict that's unpopular with the electorate or simply ill-conceived, the opposition leads the way with voicing that popular discontent or pointing out the flaws.

The opposition can't initiate any "alternative solutions" so asking what they are is a bit pointless. Anyway, the PM trots them out weekly at PMQ's as he deflects from questions and criticism of the government's performance. I am not sure if the opposition are getting better at keeping this mob from going postal or if Bojo's magic bus is struggling without a driver.

But we're all united when it comes to watching the bus crash.

How many of the "unwashed" actually self administer their own health checks" The 6 of my family back home have only found out they had Covid because they went to a NHS test station as I suspect 99% of those diagnosed have as well. If you have any documented evidence please show us and we will then bow to your greater knowledge of life in the UK.
Did not say 'initiate' Tam merely asked what alternative 'solutions' have the loonies come up with as suggestions that they know better and that they are actually a positive opposition rather than just a bunch of halfwits who criticise anything the present Government does just to show that they are justifying their salaries. Answers on a postage stamp please. There is a saying in private industry, Don't just come to me with problems, come to me with possible solutions as well. Maybe todays 'never worked for a day before' have never heard that saying.

What has your 6 sick rels got to do with the multi-million pound phone app that doesn't work?

Anyway, plenty people are self-testing. While I was home and visiting my sister in a care home, I was testing 2 or 3 times a week. My mate, admittedly an essential worker, was also on a regular DIY test regime. Anyway, all a family has to do is get a kit from their local chemist. Much easier than going to a test center, no? Maybe today's 'never had to think for myself' can't grasp that concept.

Labour... Quite happy keeping Boris spinning like a top and as honest as they can. That's what OPPOSITION parties due between elections BTW, keep the ruling party party honest (and u-turning).

Make the most of your paper-thin huge majority while you can. You just worry about the Tories keeping their own back benches onside and never mind Labour chipping away at the PM's pedestal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-la ... 022-01-15/