Conservative's new leader-in-waiting

[tamada]

Forgot to say with the exception of the right to buy policy. Had many a 'discussion' with me old dad who vehemently hated the Tories but happily accepted buying his cooncil hoose.

Case in point: my dad who did vote Tory, was unfortunate to live in a "pressured" housing zone and was thus denied that right.

Always brings a smile to my boat race when that policy is blamed for the housing shortage. Would bet a fair wedge that nearly all of the previous council owned housing are fully occupied so they would never have been available even if the councils still owned them. Simple lack of building in line with population increases especially in England is to blame. Same as the NHS, prison services etc. Liebours new policy of changing green belt rules etc might have a short term effect on availability but long term, dont think so. Developers want short term returns on their money so building 'affordable' low cost housing for affordable rents are not really high on their agenda.

I didn't blame it for the housing shortage. I said:

... However, in conjunction with an unwillingness to invest in more social housing (admittedly not unique to Tory administrations), it ultimately led to localized "pressured" housing markets where the right-to-buy was denied. ...

This hasn't been addressed by either party while seated as government.

There's a penchant for trying to do stuff like HS2, that would have satisfied a minority of interests, those with a short attention span and practitioners of fast-buck, short-termism, while solving the pressing issues, like the NHS being unfit for purpose or the lack of affordable housing of ANY type gets kicked into the long grass.

[tamada]

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[jackspratt]

Oh! look ..... common sense breaking out already.

New UK PM to rip up ‘botched’ Brexit deal

New British Prime Minister Keir Starmer wants a better relationship with Brussels as he vowed to rip up the “botched” deal struck by Boris Johnson.

New Foreign Secretary David Lammy has already headed to Europe for talks with key players, with a promise the UK would be a “good neighbour” after the years of Brexit acrimony.

“We intend to improve our relationship with the EU and that means closer trading ties with the EU, it means closer ties in relation to research and development and closer ties in relation to defence and security,” Starmer said in Edinburgh.

“I do think that we can get a much better deal than the botched deal that Boris Johnson saddled the UK with.”......

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/wor ... ir-starmer

[AlexO]

Forgot to say with the exception of the right to buy policy. Had many a 'discussion' with me old dad who vehemently hated the Tories but happily accepted buying his cooncil hoose.

Case in point: my dad who did vote Tory, was unfortunate to live in a "pressured" housing zone and was thus denied that right.

Always brings a smile to my boat race when that policy is blamed for the housing shortage. Would bet a fair wedge that nearly all of the previous council owned housing are fully occupied so they would never have been available even if the councils still owned them. Simple lack of building in line with population increases especially in England is to blame. Same as the NHS, prison services etc. Liebours new policy of changing green belt rules etc might have a short term effect on availability but long term, dont think so. Developers want short term returns on their money so building 'affordable' low cost housing for affordable rents are not really high on their agenda.

I didn't blame it for the housing shortage. I said:

... However, in conjunction with an unwillingness to invest in more social housing (admittedly not unique to Tory administrations), it ultimately led to localized "pressured" housing markets where the right-to-buy was denied. ...

This hasn't been addressed by either party while seated as government.

There's a penchant for trying to do stuff like HS2, that would have satisfied a minority of interests, those with a short attention span and practitioners of fast-buck, short-termism, while solving the pressing issues, like the NHS being unfit for purpose or the lack of affordable housing of ANY type gets kicked into the long grass.

Agree Tam, but how many times have you heard politicians, pundits and some of the lesser informed spout on about, Its Thatcher's fault for the housing shortage(right to buy policy) Thatcher closed all the coalmines (no she didn't) Thatcher killed the UK Car manufacturing industry (nothing to do with the unions and outdated working practices) same for the shipyards and steelmills. The lefts mantra that all our present problems were Thatcher's fault and that the many years of Labour rule after the Tories were chucked out is unfortunate because they just could not repair the damage she did to the UK is just another broken record.

[AlexO]

Oh! look ..... common sense breaking out already.

New UK PM to rip up ‘botched’ Brexit deal

New British Prime Minister Keir Starmer wants a better relationship with Brussels as he vowed to rip up the “botched” deal struck by Boris Johnson.

New Foreign Secretary David Lammy has already headed to Europe for talks with key players, with a promise the UK would be a “good neighbour” after the years of Brexit acrimony.

“We intend to improve our relationship with the EU and that means closer trading ties with the EU, it means closer ties in relation to research and development and closer ties in relation to defence and security,” Starmer said in Edinburgh.

“I do think that we can get a much better deal than the botched deal that Boris Johnson saddled the UK with.”......

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/wor ... ir-starmer

Hindsight will by some feat of magic get a new deal on trade, will have much closer ties on defence and security!
All this without the EU dictators extracting more pounds of proverbial flesh, not allowing French or German Generals control our Armed forces. Just what do you think the EU will want in return or all this good stuff will be free?
Nice sound bytes but achievable?
Sounds like old flip flop is going back on his promise to honour the wishes of the people.

[tamada]

Back on topic, good to see DM's favorite MILF finally out on the leadership campaign trail, modeling the latest in wearable bell tents.

You go girl!

Arse like Buckie Drifter...

[AlexO]

But there again you have Starlin telling the people/workers life will be painful while his No2 goes boogying on down in a Mediterranean Island. Way to go Sir.

[tamada]

But there again you have Starlin telling the people/workers life will be painful while his No2 goes boogying on down in a Mediterranean Island. Way to go Sir.

Focus Alex...FOCUS.

This thread is about who will be heading up the Opposition in the UK parliament. You could try and tell us which one you think would make a decent fist of things instead of name calling. Of course you could blindly accept the party's anointed one since that has served the nation well since... oh, I don't know, since the vainglorious Cameron decided that driving the UK bus off a cliff was better than admitting he had cocked up and NOBODY liked him.

If that's too hard, the "Labour are a bunch of Trotskyists who have duped their way to power" thread is over there ---->

FWIW, with sixty-five quid round-trips to [insert Spanish tourist trap here], there's are whole airports full of Brits who, while pleading poverty and claiming they're being shafted by illegals, are jetting off for a weekend on the piss in Spain. This after driving their BMW's, Audi's and Merc's and leaving them in £27/day airport parking.

Spare us.

[AlexO]

FWIW, with sixty-five quid round-trips to [insert Spanish tourist trap here], there's are whole airports full of Brits who, while pleading poverty and claiming they're being shafted by illegals, are jetting off for a weekend on the piss in Spain. This after driving their BMW's, Audi's and Merc's and leaving them in £27/day airport parking.

Wow
What an absolute Utopia, no wonder so many illegal invaders want some of this.
How dare the pensioners claim the winter heating allowance was not just funding their jaunts to Spanish Tourist Traps but an absolute necessity for a large majority.
Last time I was in the UK there did not seem to be a huge amount of German cars on the roads, lots of small, compact vehicles yes everywhere. Mind you, I did not visit Oil Town.
PS
If you care to look you will find that I personally have no time for any so called politician of the present era (some more despised than others), none show any signs of having an ounce of intestinal fortitude.
Please expand on the cliff Cameron drove the UK over, will be interesting to hear your views.

[tamada]

Wow
What an absolute Utopia, no wonder so many illegal invaders want some of this.
How dare the pensioners claim the winter heating allowance was not just funding their jaunts to Spanish Tourist Traps but an absolute necessity for a large majority.

Off topic again?

Last time I was in the UK there did not seem to be a huge amount of German cars on the roads, lots of small, compact vehicles yes everywhere.

I visit the UK two or three times a year. I have been doing that since around 2012. How about you?

Mind you, I did not visit Oil Town.

I haven't visited "Oil Town" since 2014 but I do spend most of the time in the English northwest and southwest. How about you?

The higher-end foreign marques are ALL OVER British roads. Even my rental car is German or French (that's all they offer). When I visit, I use my eyes. How about you?

PS
If you care to look you will find that I personally have no time for any so called politician of the present era (some more despised than others), none show any signs of having an ounce of intestinal fortitude.

You are a bit like glalt who openly claims to despise both of the current US presidential choices but still thinks Trump is better. Stop with the pretense that you think the Tories and Labour are equally sh*t. You're fooling nobody.

Please expand on the cliff Cameron drove the UK over, will be interesting to hear your views.

Are you sitting comfortably? Then let us begin. Cameron's decision to hold the Brexit referendum wasn't inspired by his honest wish to serve the British electorate. It was driven by his fear, his blind panic over losing his job due to the Tories (eternal) factional infighting. With the referendum, he sought to scare the 'splitters' within his government and Cabinet, ie. the ones that wanted to oust him from #10, to toe his line. There was probably nobody more surprised than himself that the UK voted to leave. Then of course he fell on his sword and it all ended happily ever after.

[AlexO]

Wow Tam.
Cannot remember the last time a car hire company offered me a german high end car while I was in the rich parts of the UK.
Blind Panic? Seems he, as well as all the rest of the Politico's have a fairly good time after conning the people. Dont see Bliar etc worrying where their next plate of Mince and Tatties is coming from.
Just remind us what an economical disaster leaving the Dictatorship actually was.

[AlexO]

Your "Insider information" is absolutely amazing. Night Shift on a boat has a lot to answer for.

[AlexO]

Just show us the photo's of the Liebour party all holding hands and signing KUMBAYA back then. Steptoe has been chucked out of the party, not even the worst Tory has been afforded that honour.

[tamada]

Wow Tam.
Cannot remember the last time a car hire company offered me a german high end car while I was in the rich parts of the UK.
Blind Panic? Seems he, as well as all the rest of the Politico's have a fairly good time after conning the people. Dont see Bliar etc worrying where their next plate of Mince and Tatties is coming from.
Just remind us what an economical disaster leaving the Dictatorship actually was.

As you have already inferred, it's been a fair while since you were in ANY part of the UK, let alone the 'rich part' of Manchester or Blackburn.

The fairly recent revolving door of Tory PM's would suggest they have absolutely NO idea of when they've gone beyond theur use-by date. At least Labour's incompetents get punted into touch by the electorate and not the machinations some shady, old-boys club like "the 22".

Oops...there you go again, lambasting a former Labour PM while asking me to explain what Brexit has done while avoiding the subject of this thread.

[AlexO]

As you have already inferred, it's been a fair while since you were in ANY part of the UK, let alone the 'rich part' of Manchester or Blackburn.

What a dilemma Starlin has given people. Remember where you parked the Beamer at the airport while you went on the piss in Spain or pay your lekkie bill. Good one.
Where I go on holiday or my tax free earning locations has no influence on my thoughts.

[tamada]

As you have already inferred, it's been a fair while since you were in ANY part of the UK, let alone the 'rich part' of Manchester or Blackburn.

What a dilemma Starlin has given people. Remember where you parked the Beamer at the airport while you went on the piss in Spain or pay your lekkie bill. Good one.
Where I go on holiday or my tax free earning locations has no influence on my thoughts.

Jenrick?

Patel?

Badenoch?

Liebor... Steptoe... Bliar... Starlin...

Can you try a wee bit harder to get through your self-inflicted red mist? Honestly pal, your audience is laughing.

[AlexO]

Just looking for my beamer Tam Just wondering where I left it laughing boy

[jackspratt]

I am reminded of rick's astute, though previously unspoken, observation here viewtopic.php?p=692281#p692281

[tamada]

Well that's been a fun, if somewhat underwhelming internet joust. But I digress.

Looks like there will be six candidates that will be quickly whittled down to four and then a final pair that will go to the membership for the anointing of the chosen one.

I believe all six have been in various cabinets under the Tories previous leaders but, there being so many shortish leaderships and maladministrations, it's hard to pin down which one of these most favored candidates has been fleetest of foot (or Teflon-coated) and backed eventual winners.

With so many of the Conservative's old guard grandees and dinosaurs chosing to cash in, move into the Lords or just leave the political circus, it will be interesting to see how the party evolves after having its arse handed to it. Of course, they could just dwell on the fact that after about seven weeks, Starmer and his cohort are still blaming their policy flip-flops on their rubbish "inheritance" and not offering solutions.

[AlexO]

The last sentence was about the only sensible statement in your 'as usual' ranting.