Will the EU succeed or fail?

[vincemunday]

It can't be denied that there is a huge lurch to the Right and a massive rise in Euro scepticism in most European countries, we have Macron rating very low in the popularity polls, Merkel is looking a bit shaky while she argues with Seehofer on immigration policy, Hungary and other ex communist bloc countries are refusing migrants full stop ignoring the demands of the European Parliament, Italy's new government seems to be playing ball with the EU at the moment but are highly sceptical they are also threatening to start repatriating migrants and are refusing boats full of "refugees", poor old Greece still lives under the extreme austerity measures put in place by the ECB and the EU combined and of course one of the biggest donors, the U.K. is due to leave the fold soon leaving a great big hole in the economic budget which will need to be made up by the other members including some who don't want to donate what they're already giving let alone give more!

What do people think will happen to the European project, can it survive all this turmoil?

[dunroaming]

I hope UK doesn't pay a huge penalty to bail out then finds the EU crumbles and tumbles down not long after. Seems many countries had problems converting to the euro currency which benefitted Europe's rich countries only

[vincemunday]

It's a possibility, there are so many problems at the moment, Belgium, Sweden, Bavaria, the ECB pulling the plug on QE, inflationary issues, tariffs with the US..... in my mind things aren't looking great but maybe they have something up their sleeve?

[joudon]

'' Dodgy Dave'' Cameron was not the finest PM the UK could produce, but one thing he got 100% correct in that he vehemently opposed Junkers as EU president. Junkers is single handedly destroying the EU with his ignorance and his arrogance ( not to mention several bottles of wine a day.) Unfortunately for ''dodgy Dave'' and the European project , Germany decides on the EU top jobs.

[vincemunday]

Dear old Dave, not the worst PM we've had, IMO Mrs May takes that mantle, but he certainly wasn't the brightest, I'm among the few who think he should have stayed on though, he ordered the referendum and he should have seen it through, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be in the mess we are today with the appeaser at the helm, I think he'd have followed through with his promises.

Interesting to see that Seehofer has directly disobeyed Merkel, she's calling for more tolerance and he's forming alliances that ensure that won't happen, surely her days must be numbered if her own ministers are defying her? If so, that would be a tremendous blow to the bloc, she's definitely been a major force behind who does what and how.

The march of the right wing continues, in some cases it's so extreme it's become quite scary, when will the leftards work out they are the driving force behind the surge? People are concerned that their cultures are being destroyed, all it would need is the pandering and "integration" to be controlled, if everyone was treated equally there wouldn't be the hostility that's growing daily, let's hope they work it out before things get too nasty.

[glalt]

The UK made a good move voting to jump off the sinking ship. Unfortunately the politicians don't have the people's interests in mind and keep dragging their feet. YES, the EU is doomed to fail due to its own weight.

[Lone Star]

The UK made a good move voting to jump off the sinking ship. Unfortunately the politicians don't have the people's interests in mind and keep dragging their feet. YES, the EU is doomed to fail due to its own weight.

I agree.

It has always looked like socialism on a grand scale with the added tyranny of an autocracy. As is true with all socialist experiments (and communes), not everyone contributes at the same levels; and the unproductive suck the life out of the productive. Add the subjugation imposed upon the nation states that destroys their autonomy, their societies and cultures, and it breeds upheaval. I don't see it lasting in any powerful way outside of its own borders, and it looks to be already weighing heavily on countries who have the moxie to reject the tyranny and bolt from the union.

[MALC]

yes the eu will fail.and not soon enough.

[vincemunday]

Yes Malc, I think it will, the EU is definitely founded on left wing ideals and that’s not the way the fair people of Europe are thinking and increasingly voting. My biggest worry is that things will be left too long and one of the far right wing parties will gain momentum, that’s not something I relish because as much as we think we live in modern times it wasn’t so long ago we had ethnic cleansing in certain parts of Europe, some of whom are now a part or are applying to be a part of the EU and it’s not inconceivable it could happen again. Combine this with the fact Theresa May is selling Brexit down the river, the clampdown on free speech, the unchecked and unreported raping and killing of our women and children and the recipe for disaster is slowly being put into place, the tension is rising in the UK and if it’s left unchecked heaven knows what will happen. Scary stuff.

[vincemunday]

Another little bit of discord in the EU, Brian Hayes the MEP for Dublin has remonstrated against some proposed changes to the financial system claiming the policy is disadvantageous to the small member states, no shock there then, it's always been about the big players.

[christian_2013]

I think IMHO the EU will fail but not before the ruling elite create a climate for civil war that will spread throughout Europe killing massive populations which is slowly starting to gain momentum. With leftist mental disorders being promoted in society, this is fuelling far right populism. With mass migration throughout Europe for those coming for the free stuff, having never contributed 1 cent to the welfare state and the indigenous population being ignored either through the suppression of free speech, political correctness or the bias of promoting Islam throughout Europe has one of two choices except the invasion or fight back.
This will pave the way for the UN to bring about the globalist plan of 1 world government which has always been the goal from the elite, which controls both the left and right of politics.
Those that think our politicians are selling us out need to look at history the elite wall street bankers financed the Russian revolution in 1917 Why? this gave the house of Rothschild control of the Russian central bank and the elite globalists also created the environment for the Chinese revolution which paved the way for Rothschild central bank of China.
The populations of the west are being played by the ruling class for the controlled chaos that will continue to destroy our societies, whether this is to create an anti-Islamic culture for the further invasions and wars to come to control more middle eastern countries and install Rothschild central banking systems in the remaining few countries that don't have a Rothschild central bank or the depopulation agenda through mass civil unrest and civil war or both.
Everything is happening for a reason and to think our politicians are just stupid, you world have to be stupid yourself to think that they are, they are bought and sold either through being blackmailed or monetary incentives to create the chaos they are creating. Remember if everyone lived in harmony there world be no need for government control of people and you can't have harmony. The population of any country need to believe that the government will help them solve the problems they the government created in the first place.
The end goal is one world government unelected dictatorship that rule over everyone on the planet, now they can't just tell everyone that's what they have to except, it will come like everything else delivered by governments by way of Hegelian dialectic theory Problem Reaction Solution. The government will create the problem that doesn't exist, the population will react and call on government to provide the solution for the problem that the government created in the first place and the sheep like they have done for centuries will be herded in the direction the elite have planned for them because anything that opposes there narrative or agenda is just some crazy cons Piracy theory.

[vincemunday]

Crikey Christian, there’s some deep theories there, however I’ve gleaned some points that can’t be denied, Islam is becoming bit of a problem, it’s followers want to migrate to other countries but refuse to assimilate with the indigenous populations which is causing the friction you point out, will that become a problem? Time will tell but my guess like yours is that it will. Replace Rothschild with Soros and you have a point, he’s meddling with world politics and some follow him like sheep thinking he has the best interests of humanity at heart, the man is a money making machine and will quite happily trash a country’s economy if he can trade off of the back of it and add to the billions he’s already made for the funds he represents. Insofar as your other theories they’re a bit too deep for a simple brain like mine but I hope they’re wrong.

[christian_2013]

Crikey Christian, there’s some deep theories there, however I’ve gleaned some points that can’t be denied, Islam is becoming bit of a problem, it’s followers want to migrate to other countries but refuse to assimilate with the indigenous populations which is causing the friction you point out, will that become a problem? Time will tell but my guess like yours is that it will. Replace Rothschild with Soros and you have a point, he’s meddling with world politics and some follow him like sheep thinking he has the best interests of humanity at heart, the man is a money making machine and will quite happily trash a country’s economy if he can trade off of the back of it and add to the billions he’s already made for the funds he represents. Insofar as your other theories they’re a bit too deep for a simple brain like mine but I hope they’re wrong.

George Soros is only the front man take a look at his history he is only a puppet for the house of Rothschild's. Do I think that everything reverts back to the Rothschilds NO they are just 1 element in the big picture.
But like Amschel Rothschild was famous for saying Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.
Do I blame the Muslims NO they are just being used in the big picture to create the one world government that the Psychopaths that run the world want, but it will cause a big problem in the not so distant future thats the objective and why they are being used in this process.
I see from previous post's you are a freemason or at least want to start a chapter here in Udon, I am not critising that but I assume you have knowledge of Albert Pyke who wrote Morals and Dogma and 3 world wars, interesting read considering it was written in 1870.
Cultural Marxism is another tool being used by the elite to achieve the same goals moving towards one world government, it's no secret they are working towards this and is admitted by many, the likes of the late David Rockafeller, books written by Henry Kissinger and countless politicians pushing New World Order ideology.
Our politicians continuously dodge the realities of the problems arising from the massive influx of migrants from the middle east and Africa preaching that diversity is our strength but this is only happening in our countries. In 50 years Japan will still be Japanese and China will still be Chinese, Korea will still be Korean none of these countries are pushing diversity is our strength.
So I definitely do see the EU failing only to be replaced by a UN dictatorship it's being done now sovereign nations have been signing over there sovereignty continuously for the last 50 + years.
This is only what I see as I don't for 1 minute believe our politicians are stupid people, they are there for a purpose and that purpose is not for the common interest of ordinary people. I hope I am completely wrong and believe me I want to be wrong but I think there will be some dark days to come, cultural Marxism is a mental disorder with the only goal of deconstructing society and we don't need the far right alternative as well but both ideologies came from the same book Karl Marx.
The other main objective of the globalist elite is depopulation NO secret about this, on a scale that will make Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao look like pussies to sustainable levels of around 500,000,000 people globally, how will this be achieved by these Psychopaths? No-one blinks an eye when this is reported by these madman and women that's the mind control that is happening now, these same people report western countries need mass immigration because of an ageing population now either I'm completely mad or the world is totally run by Psychopaths.
The world is a stage and the politicians are the show that distract us from the real Psychopaths that run it.

[joudon]

I am pleased to read the very accurate summary from ''christian''.
It is withgrowing relief that more and more people are understanding the manipulation and ultimate goals of the NWO.
For the past 11 years I have visited UK 4 times a year for short periods, and the snapshots show how sheeplike everyone seems to have become. The BBC and other MSM outlets have been dumbing down news and entertainment to condition the masses to accept austerity, mass immigration and low paid jobs.
I came to Thailand to get away from such organised control, but I still feel very sorry for the people of Europe who have been unwittingly brainwashed.
Brexit is about to be derailed on the orders of so called 'elite' . The NWO masterplan is working well.

[fredwilliams]

^ Yes, it is going very well, especially the people saying and doing absolutely nothing parts.

They say "Conspiracy", but don't understand "Cliche".

[fredwilliams]

The EU is in tatters, by the way.

I know this isn't from thesun.co.uk, but it'll do: https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 1rank.html

[fredwilliams]

The EU is in tatters, by the way.

I know this isn't from thesun.co.uk, but it'll do: https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 1rank.html

[vincemunday]

GDP is hardly a gauge of the EU’s ability to survive the political turmoil it’s currently experiencing and If bloc falls apart it hardly means the GDP of the individual countries disappear, it’ll just revert back to the individual countries, something some countries desperately need as part of controlling their own economies, it’ll be interesting to see what happens after the current bout of tariff rises.

[fredwilliams]

^ In which case you can manually jot down EU countries here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 4rank.html

[vincemunday]

I'm sorry Fred, I'm not following your train of thought here, I already know the countries that make up the EU and I'm not really sure as to why you think their GDP will alleviate the issues the constituent countries of the bloc are having with things like immigration which might eventually be the demise of Angela Merkel and Macron?