UK govt still failing NHS

[stattointhailand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSHS6OxLQM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2200DG

[Drunk Monkey]

This was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party ... remainers n Boris haters.

[vincemunday]

So what' about the procurement teams that are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to ensure the hospitals don't run out of supplies Stats? Do they just walk away Scott free then? No one could have predicted this virus and the amount of PPE needed, this post is a comedy.

[vincemunday]

This was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party ... remainers n Boris haters.

Ludicrous isn't it!

[stattointhailand]

Vince they were completely aware of the multi millions of every PPE that was required on January 9th (admitted in earlier press conference), weeks before they rejected the offer from EU to join in their procurement scheme.

31 January 2020

A UK representative joins EU member states and commission officials to discuss “the cluster of pneumonia cases associated with novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China”. Four countries indicate a potential need for personal protective equipment (PPE) “in case of an expanding situation in the EU”. They do not include the UK.
4 February

EU countries share observations on the state of supplies of PPE in a meeting of officials from member states and the World Health Organization. An official from the UK attends the meeting in Luxembourg.
24 February

A meeting of officials, to which the UK was invited, hears an update from the European commission on the joint procurement of PPE. Commission officials call on countries to confirm “their exact needs latest today … to move forward with next steps”. No representative from the UK attends the meeting.
28 February

The EU launches its first joint procurement of £1.2m worth of gloves and gowns/overalls. The UK is not one of the 20 member states involved.
12 March

The procurement fails due to a lack of suitable suppliers. It is relaunched on 15 March. The UK is still not involved.
17 March

The EU launches two more rounds of joint procurement for masks and goggles and ventilators. The UK is not one of the 25 member states involved.
19 March

The UK belatedly takes up an invitation to join the joint procurement agreement steering committee, which makes decisions on mass purchases. The UK does not join a procurement for laboratory supplies that is put out to tender on the same day.
23 March

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, admits there have been “challenges” with the supply of PPE after complaints by doctors and nurses around the country. He drafts in the army to help with distribution.
24 March
Advertisement

No 10 says it has not joined EU procurement schemes as the UK is not in the EU and is “making our own efforts”. The government later U-turns to say it failed to receive an email inviting it to be part of the initiative.
25 March

Health officials from EU countries convene an audio meeting. Representatives of the member states raise the possibility of further procurements and are asked to inform the commission by the following day about their requirements. The UK has been invited to join the meeting, but no representative takes part.
26 March

The government says it has 8,175 ventilators, but turns to British industry to help produce 30,000 in a matter of weeks. The engineering company Dyson reveals plans for an entirely new medical ventilator working to specifications set down by the government.
29 March

The death of two surgeons from Covid-19, the first doctors to die from the disease, intensifies the pressure on ministers to accelerate the supply of PPE.
10 April

Hancock calls on workers to “treat PPE as the precious resource it is” following weeks of criticism, leading to claims that he is blaming medics for shortages.
11 April

Hancock confirms 19 deaths among healthcare workers from coronavirus, a day after it was claimed in the daily Downing Street press conference that it would be inappropriate to provide such information. Priti Patel, the home secretary, offers what critics call a non-apology, saying she is “sorry if people feel there has been a failure to supply sufficient PPE”.
13 April

Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, says gaps remain and calls for the government to publicly acknowledge the problem and the reason for it. Dominic Raab, deputising for the prime minister, admits to supply problems, saying there is “a competitive market out there”, but declines to apologise.

[saint]

I saw on the BBC news that one hospital alone will get through as much as 10,000 sets of PPE per week .
That is a logistical nightmare at the best of times , even worse when the rest of the world is in the same boat .
Not to worry too much though , im sure China will soon fill the gap in the market .

[Drunk Monkey]

Vince they were completely aware of the multi millions of every PPE that was required on January 9th (admitted in earlier press conference), weeks before they rejected the offer from EU to join in their procurement scheme.

31 January 2020

A UK representative joins EU member states and commission officials to discuss “the cluster of pneumonia cases associated with novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China”. Four countries indicate a potential need for personal protective equipment (PPE) “in case of an expanding situation in the EU”. They do not include the UK.
4 February

EU countries share observations on the state of supplies of PPE in a meeting of officials from member states and the World Health Organization. An official from the UK attends the meeting in Luxembourg.
24 February

A meeting of officials, to which the UK was invited, hears an update from the European commission on the joint procurement of PPE. Commission officials call on countries to confirm “their exact needs latest today … to move forward with next steps”. No representative from the UK attends the meeting.
28 February

The EU launches its first joint procurement of £1.2m worth of gloves and gowns/overalls. The UK is not one of the 20 member states involved.
12 March

The procurement fails due to a lack of suitable suppliers. It is relaunched on 15 March. The UK is still not involved.
17 March

The EU launches two more rounds of joint procurement for masks and goggles and ventilators. The UK is not one of the 25 member states involved.
19 March

The UK belatedly takes up an invitation to join the joint procurement agreement steering committee, which makes decisions on mass purchases. The UK does not join a procurement for laboratory supplies that is put out to tender on the same day.
23 March

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, admits there have been “challenges” with the supply of PPE after complaints by doctors and nurses around the country. He drafts in the army to help with distribution.
24 March
Advertisement

No 10 says it has not joined EU procurement schemes as the UK is not in the EU and is “making our own efforts”. The government later U-turns to say it failed to receive an email inviting it to be part of the initiative.
25 March

Health officials from EU countries convene an audio meeting. Representatives of the member states raise the possibility of further procurements and are asked to inform the commission by the following day about their requirements. The UK has been invited to join the meeting, but no representative takes part.
26 March

The government says it has 8,175 ventilators, but turns to British industry to help produce 30,000 in a matter of weeks. The engineering company Dyson reveals plans for an entirely new medical ventilator working to specifications set down by the government.
29 March

The death of two surgeons from Covid-19, the first doctors to die from the disease, intensifies the pressure on ministers to accelerate the supply of PPE.
10 April

Hancock calls on workers to “treat PPE as the precious resource it is” following weeks of criticism, leading to claims that he is blaming medics for shortages.
11 April

Hancock confirms 19 deaths among healthcare workers from coronavirus, a day after it was claimed in the daily Downing Street press conference that it would be inappropriate to provide such information. Priti Patel, the home secretary, offers what critics call a non-apology, saying she is “sorry if people feel there has been a failure to supply sufficient PPE”.
13 April

Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, says gaps remain and calls for the government to publicly acknowledge the problem and the reason for it. Dominic Raab, deputising for the prime minister, admits to supply problems, saying there is “a competitive market out there”, but declines to apologise.

And do you think this would be one iota different if ..lets say the Labour party , Lib Dems or the Green loonies were in power ..

whether its Brexit or this everyone is out to score points against a nations government at times of crisis .. its the point when a good old crisis can be used as political ammunition as you are doing statts .. same in USA , Thaialnd everywhere this will be used by opposition parties the world over.,, when at times like this they should come together but that wont ever happen when theres too good ov achance to dig the knife in .

OMO

DM

[Khun Paul]

I saw on the BBC news that one hospital alone will get through as much as 10,000 sets of PPE per week .
That is a logistical nightmare at the best of times , even worse when the rest of the world is in the same boat .
Not to worry too much though , im sure China will soon fill the gap in the market .

Yes exactly, listening the other day to a local news report from a local hospital in the UK, a NURSE can use up to 12 sets in one day, from her normal pre-pandemic use of maybe one . Os if we took the middle ground each and every nurse in the UK in a NHS Hospital alone needs 6-7 sets a day multiply that by the number of nurses, I doubt if manufacturing can make that many , and that is just NURSES, NOT including care workers, Doctors or anyone else working in the Hospital services.
The figures are staggering , funnily enough I saw in Big C yesterday full protective suits available on the shelf , quality unknown.

[vincemunday]

And once again Statto no mention of the individual trusts procurement failings, so much of what you’ve typed above is nonsense but to be honest I can’t be ar$ed to respond, some people just aren’t worth the effort and wouldn’t accept anything other than their extremely biased opinion, you’re among them.

[tamada]

Vince they were completely aware of the multi millions of every PPE that was required on January 9th (admitted in earlier press conference), weeks before they rejected the offer from EU to join in their procurement scheme.

31 January 2020

A UK representative joins EU member states and commission officials to discuss “the cluster of pneumonia cases associated with novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China”. Four countries indicate a potential need for personal protective equipment (PPE) “in case of an expanding situation in the EU”. They do not include the UK.
4 February

EU countries share observations on the state of supplies of PPE in a meeting of officials from member states and the World Health Organization. An official from the UK attends the meeting in Luxembourg.
24 February

A meeting of officials, to which the UK was invited, hears an update from the European commission on the joint procurement of PPE. Commission officials call on countries to confirm “their exact needs latest today … to move forward with next steps”. No representative from the UK attends the meeting.
28 February

The EU launches its first joint procurement of £1.2m worth of gloves and gowns/overalls. The UK is not one of the 20 member states involved.
12 March

The procurement fails due to a lack of suitable suppliers. It is relaunched on 15 March. The UK is still not involved.
17 March

The EU launches two more rounds of joint procurement for masks and goggles and ventilators. The UK is not one of the 25 member states involved.
19 March

The UK belatedly takes up an invitation to join the joint procurement agreement steering committee, which makes decisions on mass purchases. The UK does not join a procurement for laboratory supplies that is put out to tender on the same day.
23 March

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, admits there have been “challenges” with the supply of PPE after complaints by doctors and nurses around the country. He drafts in the army to help with distribution.
24 March
Advertisement

No 10 says it has not joined EU procurement schemes as the UK is not in the EU and is “making our own efforts”. The government later U-turns to say it failed to receive an email inviting it to be part of the initiative.
25 March

Health officials from EU countries convene an audio meeting. Representatives of the member states raise the possibility of further procurements and are asked to inform the commission by the following day about their requirements. The UK has been invited to join the meeting, but no representative takes part.
26 March

The government says it has 8,175 ventilators, but turns to British industry to help produce 30,000 in a matter of weeks. The engineering company Dyson reveals plans for an entirely new medical ventilator working to specifications set down by the government.
29 March

The death of two surgeons from Covid-19, the first doctors to die from the disease, intensifies the pressure on ministers to accelerate the supply of PPE.
10 April

Hancock calls on workers to “treat PPE as the precious resource it is” following weeks of criticism, leading to claims that he is blaming medics for shortages.
11 April

Hancock confirms 19 deaths among healthcare workers from coronavirus, a day after it was claimed in the daily Downing Street press conference that it would be inappropriate to provide such information. Priti Patel, the home secretary, offers what critics call a non-apology, saying she is “sorry if people feel there has been a failure to supply sufficient PPE”.
13 April

Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, says gaps remain and calls for the government to publicly acknowledge the problem and the reason for it. Dominic Raab, deputising for the prime minister, admits to supply problems, saying there is “a competitive market out there”, but declines to apologise.

Huge copy/paste there. Can you cite a link please?

[tamada]

And do you think this would be one iota different if ..lets say the Labour party , Lib Dems or the Green loonies were in power ..

whether its Brexit or this everyone is out to score points against a nations government at times of crisis .. its the point when a good old crisis can be used as political ammunition as you are doing statts .. same in USA , Thaialnd everywhere this will be used by opposition parties the world over.,, when at times like this they should come together but that wont ever happen when theres too good ov achance to dig the knife in .

OMO

DM

Sounds like your petticoats have gotten a good ruffle then?

If a government, any government, is openly and flagrantly cocking up on the job, then they should be called for it. Doesn't matter if it's peace time, war time or global pandemic time, if they're so obviously fμcking the dog, they deserve to be pilloried.

Offering the equivalent of "the dog ate my homework" u-turn on 25th would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody sad.

How's my bloody traffic?

[Drunk Monkey]

And do you think this would be one iota different if ..lets say the Labour party , Lib Dems or the Green loonies were in power ..

whether its Brexit or this everyone is out to score points against a nations government at times of crisis .. its the point when a good old crisis can be used as political ammunition as you are doing statts .. same in USA , Thaialnd everywhere this will be used by opposition parties the world over.,, when at times like this they should come together but that wont ever happen when theres too good ov achance to dig the knife in .

OMO

DM

Sounds like your petticoats have gotten a good ruffle then?

If a government, any government, is openly and flagrantly cocking up on the job, then they should be called for it. Doesn't matter if it's peace time, war time or global pandemic time, if they're so obviously fμcking the dog, they deserve to be pilloried.

Offering the equivalent of "the dog ate my homework" u-turn on 25th would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody sad.

How's my bloody traffic?

Not telling you now .. you make me upset !!!

[saint]

And do you think this would be one iota different if ..lets say the Labour party , Lib Dems or the Green loonies were in power ..

whether its Brexit or this everyone is out to score points against a nations government at times of crisis .. its the point when a good old crisis can be used as political ammunition as you are doing statts .. same in USA , Thaialnd everywhere this will be used by opposition parties the world over.,, when at times like this they should come together but that wont ever happen when theres too good ov achance to dig the knife in .

OMO

DM

Sounds like your petticoats have gotten a good ruffle then?

If a government, any government, is openly and flagrantly cocking up on the job, then they should be called for it. Doesn't matter if it's peace time, war time or global pandemic time, if they're so obviously fμcking the dog, they deserve to be pilloried.

Offering the equivalent of "the dog ate my homework" u-turn on 25th would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody sad.

How's my bloody traffic?

Not telling you now .. you make me upset !!!

Come on Jon are you telling us you have feelings , and Tammy Wynette has hurt them .
We all know your tougher than that .
Anyways im off to Big C to get a protective suit . Will come in handy when the proverbial hits the fan , which it will if the booze ban goes on much longer .
So ill be safe and sound sitting here in my PPE , clingfilm on the computer , ready to go .