Retirement Visa Renewal & 90 day reporting timings

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » May 14, 2014, 6:15 pm

Jack ..... just done it , well 10th March 2014 to be exact .. i transfered my 1 year visa stamps at Udon immo and work permit stamps at the labour office from old to new passport . It was free , i was not asked to pay .

Thats not to say things could have changed from then till now !!

DM

Post by **FrazeeDK** » May 14, 2014, 7:09 pm

if no receipt, its corruption/graft plain and simple.. You can raise a stink as one poster did a while back (was if for a license residency letter?) and elevate it to the Office Director.. As I recall, the Director claimed it was all just a big misunderstanding and the Officer who wanted the 500 Baht was merely soliciting to see if the applicant wanted to contribute 500 Baht to the office coffee fund.. The applicant was then provided the service for free as it was supposed to be.. If all customers demanded a receipt and howled loudly if the receipt was for less than they'd paid, then the backhanders would probably stop pretty quickly...

Post by **papaguido** » May 14, 2014, 7:43 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:if no receipt, its corruption/graft plain and simple.. You can raise a stink as one poster did a while back (was if for a license residency letter?) and elevate it to the Office Director.. As I recall, the Director claimed it was all just a big misunderstanding and the Officer who wanted the 500 Baht was merely soliciting to see if the applicant wanted to contribute 500 Baht to the office coffee fund.. The applicant was then provided the service for free as it was supposed to be.. If all customers demanded a receipt and howled loudly if the receipt was for less than they'd paid, then the backhanders would probably stop pretty quickly...

I had a similar experience, however the officer I complained to called himself the Udon Immigration Inspector General.

Post by **SanukJoe** » May 15, 2014, 7:42 am

jackspratt wrote:To put this one to bed, can someone please go into the Udon immigration office, tell them you need an extension transferred to a new passport, but you decline to pay any fee.

And then report back on the predictable outcome.

There is a saying: Don't row against the current. It explains all and if you want to have peace of mind you just follow the way that has been done, if not too weird.
I once came 3 days late with my 90 day report and the joker officer said that costs you 500 baht per day too late. I explained him that I have my valid visa and that there is a rule of 2 weeks before and 1 week after the date, that you can go for the 90 day report. Silence on his side and he continued what he had to do. That was a different case.

But as has been mentioned, sometimes there is a fee, weather or not lawful, and I always follow my gut feeling and common sense, asking myself: is it a problem for me? No? Then pay. Complaining at government officials is a very bad idea that one day can work against you, I try to prevent it.

Once I drove too fast and was stopped by police. I happily paid the 200 baht fine and didn't care if he put it in his pocket. In my home country I would have paid something like 20K baht, so it was peanuts so to say. No, I did not ask for a receipt

Post by **bumper** » May 15, 2014, 8:32 am

jackspratt wrote:To put this one to bed, can someone please go into the Udon immigration office, tell them you need an extension transferred to a new passport, but you decline to pay any fee.

And then report back on the predictable outcome.

You know Jack I did it last year, I don't remember a fee. Might be a senior moment, if there was one couldn't have been much or I would have remembered it. It was done at my normal time of renewal.

Post by **SanukJoe** » May 17, 2014, 3:10 pm

I have been thinking about this as some people talk about transferring the stamp into a new passport.

I asked during my last 90 day report if it was possible to get an extension in my old passport, valid until Sept this year, then I would come to Immigration with my new passport to have the stamp transferred. Answer: No way. You need a passport that has a validity of at least one year after your application.

So I got a new passport 5 months before expiry date. When at the Immigration office they had to transfer more things than just putting a new stamp in my new passport, maybe that explains the difference.

Post by **jackspratt** » May 17, 2014, 4:05 pm

SanukJoe wrote: I asked during my last 90 day report if it was possible to get an extension in my old passport, valid until Sept this year, then I would come to Immigration with my new passport to have the stamp transferred. Answer: No way. You need a passport that has a validity of at least one year after your application.

Interesting answer SJ.

It is contrary to my understanding, and hopefully incorrect, as I will be applying for an extension in September for a passport which expires in May 2015.

Does anyone else have recent experience of obtaining a 12 month extension (or not) in a passport which had less than 12 months validity at the time of the application?

Post by **arjay** » May 17, 2014, 5:05 pm

Logically, I cannot see that Thai Immigration would give a visa extension that would be valid beyond the expiry date of your passport. I would think it highly unlikely, if not inconceivable; unless possibly they just didn't notice the passport expiry date.

(When I am doing my 90 day reports, they [even] restrict the next reporting date to the expiry date of my visa, if it would fall after my visa expiry date.)

Incidentally, I renewed my UK passport a couple of months back, in anticipation of its expiry late September 2014. My visa expires early September. When presenting the old and new passports for the visa details etc to be transferred to the new passport, no fee was due or charged, which I've always understood to be the case.

Post by **randerson79** » May 17, 2014, 5:32 pm

jackspratt wrote:
SanukJoe wrote: I asked during my last 90 day report if it was possible to get an extension in my old passport, valid until Sept this year, then I would come to Immigration with my new passport to have the stamp transferred. Answer: No way. You need a passport that has a validity of at least one year after your application.
Interesting answer SJ.

It is contrary to my understanding, and hopefully incorrect, as I will be applying for an extension in September for a passport which expires in May 2015.

Does anyone else have recent experience of obtaining a 12 month extension (or not) in a passport which had less than 12 months validity at the time of the application?

Copied from Thai Visa,

According to the New Regulation from August 13, 2013,
when submitting application for Visa Extension if the validity of passport of the applicant is not longer than one year left before expiry,
the extension of stay will be permitted not exceeding the expired date of passport.
After the renewal of your passport of obtaining a new passport,
you have to re-apply for Visa Extension by submitting required document and paying extension fee ( 1,900 Baht ).
In case of overstay, the fine is 500 Baht per day.

Post by **retired** » May 17, 2014, 5:35 pm

jackspratt wrote:
SanukJoe wrote: I asked during my last 90 day report if it was possible to get an extension in my old passport, valid until Sept this year, then I would come to Immigration with my new passport to have the stamp transferred. Answer: No way. You need a passport that has a validity of at least one year after your application.
Interesting answer SJ.

It is contrary to my understanding, and hopefully incorrect, as I will be applying for an extension in September for a passport which expires in May 2015.

Does anyone else have recent experience of obtaining a 12 month extension (or not) in a passport which had less than 12 months validity at the time of the application?

Yes, They will only extend up to the end date of you Passport

Post by **jackspratt** » May 17, 2014, 5:39 pm

OK, that makes sense.

I guess you then just make a new application when you get your new passport, which will take you up to the balance of the 12 months ie the date of the visa.

So the choice becomes whether to "waste" the balance of your passport validity, or pay the fee for the "extra" extension.

Post by **arjay** » May 17, 2014, 11:26 pm

So the choice becomes whether to "waste" the balance of your passport validity, or pay the fee for the "extra" extension.

No, not so.

Certainly as far as UK passports go, one can renew them up to 6 months early, thus the new passport will extend for 10 years from the original expiry date of the one its replacing. I would think Oz passports will be the same. In which case you extend your Thai visa on it's normal expiry date.

Post by **Brian Davis** » May 18, 2014, 5:56 am

[quote="arjay .....Certainly as far as UK passports go, one can renew them up to 6 months early[/quote]

For what it's worth, the guidance notes I have indicate unexpired time up to 9 months on a current passport will be added to the new one. I've recently applied for a new passport in Bangkok on that understanding.

Post by **SanukJoe** » May 18, 2014, 8:39 am

Also that way was cut off, when I asked the Dutch embassy to supply a passport starting at the old expiry date, not possible, so I lost 5 months of validity. Is not too bad as the new passport is valid for 10 years.

I asked the officer of Udon Immigration exactly this: Can I have an extension until Sept 14 (expiry date passport) and then come again with my new passport and new application (including 1900 baht)? Answer: No, extension is for one year and should be stamped in a passport that is valid during the time of the extension.

I think in general the best way is to ask the local Immigration office.

Post by **jackspratt** » May 18, 2014, 9:04 am

I have just compared my previous (cancelled) Oz passport with my current one. The previous one expired in October 2008, but because it was nearly full, and I was traveling a lot for work, I renewed it in May 2005.

The new one is valid from May 2005 - May 2015.

Decisions, decisions.

Post by **arjay** » May 18, 2014, 9:13 am

Brian, thanks. I had a feeling it was now 9 months, but I couldn't quickly find the answer so went with the 6 months.

Re SanukJoe's point, - there is nothing to stop anyone applying for a visa extension of less than one year, - e.g. 3 months, 6 months, or 9 months. The application form asks how long you want. It doesn't specify one year.

Post by **SanukJoe** » May 18, 2014, 9:18 am

Arjay, did you ever try that successfully? Or anyone else for that matter?

It might be a bit silly to pay 1900 baht for a 4 months extension.....

Post by **Zidane** » May 18, 2014, 9:31 am

A few years back I had to apply for a new passport over 1 year early because the current one was full.
My new passport ran/runs from July 2009 to April 2020....ie.10 years and 9 months,so I got most of my lost time back,if that helps ?

Post by **arjay** » May 18, 2014, 9:41 am

SJ, I have experienced it in the context of Non Imm B and Non Imm Ed visas. When the my employer/school hadn't got their act together with work permit paperwork, I was given a 1 month extension to allow them more time. On another occasion they gave only 6 months to coincide with some other event (that I can't recollect).

My daughter has been given less than 1 year on her education visa.

With my own Non Imm "O" I have always applied for the max 1 year.

The application form asks how long you want. I see no reason why one can't apply for a shorter period, to coincide with the expiry of something like a passport. Noted that one would be paying 1900 baht for the shorter period.

Post by **davecryan** » May 18, 2014, 1:51 pm

Zidane wrote:A few years back I had to apply for a new passport over 1 year early because the current one was full.
My new passport ran/runs from July 2009 to April 2020....ie.10 years and 9 months,so I got most of my lost time back,if that helps ?

I had a similar experience with current Passport......Issue date Sept 2008/ Expiry date June 2019.
I will be 78 then....hope things will have changed by then, regarding two trips to BKK