Are Farangs 'sticky/stingy/tight/kee Neow.....?

[BKKSTAN]

I really see it in simple terms.I believe that someone who treat others like this,''simply'' do not respect them,for whatever reason!

I ''simply'' choose to not be close, do business or associate with this type person,falang or Thai!

My friends,Thais or falangs don't act like this,the others I acknowledge with friendly or neighborly smile/nod and go on about my business!

I do not subscribe to the thinking that ''we'' are responsible for Thai thinking or actions.I am not a member of ''we'',just because I am a falang!Those that think like that,IMO,are rationalizing/justifying their ignorant,predjudicial,racist behavior!I don't give them any encouragement,try to change them or allow them into my personal life!

[JR]

Stef wrote:
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2nd. If you're 20+yrs her senior, add to that the usual 40+ waist and bald head that so often accompany so many falang here, then guess what, she is with you for your money, it doesn't matter that she wasn't a bar girl, or had a good job in the complex, she is with you for your money, that's why so many of you can't do the typical thing that husband and wife do - have joint accounts, share money, etc. how many of you actually pay your misses a weekly/monthly allowance - it's called a salary for services rendered, and it unlikely they will ever have any respect for you - in fact they probably despice you/unquote

And if you live in farangland and have a housewife you give her money every month at your payday so she can take care of you, your house, children if you have any and buy food and cook for you. That is also a "salary for services rendered" I presume? And she despises you and have no respect for you because of that? Well, that is what you say. And that is based on your experience and knowledge. At best. I am sorry that you feel desillusioned but you do not have all the answers. You will probably never have.

[Parmoman]

You can bet that the Pattaya bargirl with multiple sponsors earning hundreds of thousands of Baht a month, will NEVER pay for anything either when she is with her farang du jour.

I think women are like that throughout the world personally even in Western countries, "What's yours is mine and what's mine's my own" is the female motto WORLDWIDE.

But Thai women are very poor it is granted !

[jafip]

Yes in Thai culture the wealthiest is often expected to pay, however as someone pointed out this is usually a mark of respect (recognized by wai's, polite behavior and speech etc).

It's worth pointing out there is also a "host-pays" element to Thai culture too, tho this is often forgotten with "farangs"

I think the way farangs are expected to pay has developed into something quite different, especially in uneducated thai society - rather than a mark of respect it seems to have become a mark of a fool easily parted with his money Not all Thai's think this way of course, but it seems to many that money comes too easily to westerners, whereas we all know the reality is some of us are either just a little too kind hearted or a little too attention starved, or both, after 40+ years of perhaps lonely work and hard saving back in blighty or stateside or wherever.

It is important to learn not to be taken advantage of, and this is not easy when you have to try an make this determination as a compromise between Thai culture and your own.

But chances are if after a while you are constantly starting to feel like a chump that you probably are one

[jafip]

"I think women are like that throughout the world personally even in Western countries, "What's yours is mine and what's mine's my own" is the female motto WORLDWIDE."

hee hee - from the male perspective this does sometime seem like a genetic coding than transcends all race and culture

[udonuk1]

I find the best way to counter Thais saying that i am Kee Neow, is to state honestly the EXACT sums that i have spent that day, and the amount that they have spent (10:1 ratio normally - that shows who REALLY is the Kee Neow one).
Yes they may only get half or quarter of our salary, but they pay 0-5% of outgoings, usually 0%.

I did ask a Thai lady to pay once at Swensens in the name of "equality". She (an aunt of my date tagging along for free meal) had spent all the date saying how rich she was, owner of large "resort". 5 minutes before the bill arrived (350 baht) she said dramatically that there was a fire at her house and she had to leave immediately. thus avoiding the bill payment.

Thai ladies are ALL exploitative and think that they are cleverer than farangs, it is hilarious to watch them, well for 1 meeting anyway. For any farang who thinks that their partner is not like that, haha better watch out ! I would NEVER EVER buy a Thai lady a house here OR a business, you can be 100% sure that they will get a Thai boyfriend or other sponsor one day. The farang marries them for love, but as soon as you give them anything it will be forgotten TOTALLY

[udonuk1]

Once i arranged a first date , i said to her that we can meet at restaurant, she said "No, we meet at market, you buy me some clothes".
But farangs must learn lessons about what leeches women really are and that men must stop being expendable , well those without limitless pockets anyway

[hangsaboot]

But farangs must learn lessons .
learning thai culture ,, means
farang pays ,,

[udonuk1]

Maybe you will willingly pay for these women, "hangsabout", but many men here are beginning to learn that when the cash runs out these greedy women will run out too, it will happen sooner or later .........

Hmm, you maybe are Thai lady, we are not NOT as stupid as you think, many of us know that you only think of us as bird kee and ATMs ! Farang does NOT always pay !!!

[udonuk1]

WHY should men give money to these leeches ? Just because we have a penis ?
No money , no honey ? Maybe ? But no money for these women either.

[Farang1]

Thai ladies are ALL exploitative and think that they are cleverer than farangs, it is hilarious to watch them, well for 1 meeting anyway. For any farang who thinks that their partner is not like that, haha better watch out ! The farang marries them for love, but as soon as you give them anything it will be forgotten TOTALLY

That is a little over generalizing there, boss.

That might be true in the circles you run in but, I and I am sure there are many other farang married to a Thai lady, that would take offence to your generalizations.

[jai yen yen]

When I met my gf she had a small beauty salon, worked 7 days a week, 10-12 hours a day and was barely surviving. In really slow times she would ride in the back of a pickup for 18 hours to go pack fruit in the south for a couple of dollars a day. She would do this before asking me for help. I make twice in one day what she did in one month while running herself into the ground. I asked her to stop working so we could spend more time together and she could live with me in Canada in the summer. Since then she has never asked for more than what she needs and never any requests for money from the family until last week when her sister asked for a loan of 1000 baht until the end of the month as she was a little short. Last year this same sister lent us her new honda car for 2 weeks while we were in Udon and never asked for a single baht. I told my gf to give her 2000 and tell her I consider her my sister and she did not have to pay the money back as I was glad to help her. When my gf told her this she was in tears and very grateful. I have been with my gf for nearly 3 years now in case some of you think the bad news is yet to come. I just wanted to present another perspective on relationships between us farang and our Thai women. They are not all bad. p.s. My gf is very attractive and probably one of the nicest people I have ever met in my life. She could have chosen the bar life and the bigger income but did not.

[nkstan]

The use of ''all'' is always a generalization as not all circumstances and people are the same!Most falangs living in Thailand,involved in relationships with younger Thai women,are in that relationship because the girls that make themselves available to relatively older falang men are doing so for financial reasons!Some of them are greedy and exploitive,maybe even a majority ,while some are sincere in their efforts to be a good companion/GF/wife!

Most of those ladies sacrifice their standing and acceptance within Thai society,in general, to do so!Something that many falangs don't take into account!Many of them have as much difficulty with the mans cultural thoughts and feelings,effective communication and ,in many cases,listening to criticisms of Thais and their cultural norms as he struggles with the differences as nationalistic pride plays its role.There is a loss of face,even though it may be kept silent at the time!

I often wonder what the older falang ,that doesn't accept this security premise as the real basis for her interest,is thinking?Does he think,that unlike almost all younger women in his home country,young Thai women are physically and socially attracted to him?When he criticizes Thai and their cultural norms,does he think she is not Thai also?

There is always two side to a story!IMO,the falang has as much responsibility for the outcome of the relatrionship as the woman,brings many selfish faults to the table as she does!

[jackspratt]

Thai ladies are ALL exploitative

But farangs must learn lessons about what leeches women really are

these greedy women

WHY should men give money to these leeches

Wow - I would hate to be walking through life wearing your shoes, udonuk1.

Out of interest, why do you come to Thailand - surely it can't be for the exploitative, leeching, greedy women? Must be for the weather, the temples and the food. :-"

[Instowman]

Well said nkstan, there are good and bad in all races and sexes. Maybe in the end we all get the partner we deserve.

[nkstan]

Well said nkstan, there are good and bad in all races and sexes. Maybe in the end we all get the partner we deserve.

Deserve??? Your bringing up ''my guilt complex'' for the kind of husband I was in my first marriage!YUK She is dead now,but endured me for 20 years!I hope ''what goes around,doesnt always come around!

[Instowman]

I believe in Asia it is called 'Karma'

[NOLA]

Lee, you don't allow personal attacks, but you do allow attacks on the entire female population of Thailand...Go figure.

[Aardvark]

Lee, you don't allow personal attacks, but you do allow attacks on the entire female population of Thailand...Go figure.

I think the Moderation is being taken care of by the Members in a rather Diplomatic and even Educational way, don't you ??

[Texpat]

Lee, you don't allow personal attacks,

He allowed you to call me an a**hole a few days ago.
You should feel thankful for his benevolence.
I am.