Families

[petemcc]

I would imagine the family looks at the 38-year-old Army major nurse as their goose who will continue to lay golden eggs through good times or bad, for better or worse -- unless she moves off to Oz with some paleface.

She is insurance to them -- especially mother. And Thai children are beholden to their parents -- owe their parents.

If she moves away -- out of sight, out of mind ...

Until you can convince her that life in Oz would be better than the life she has known for 38 years in Thailand, it'll be rough sledding. How many years till you're ready to hang up the stethoscope?

Getting visas for the whole family to visit might prove an enormous hurdle.

Are you currently subsidizing her salary?

I am 46 years young and can work until I drop! I enjoy my job immensely and it gives me great satisfaction. To be honest I am not ready for retirement for another 14 years at least.

Am I subsidising her salary? Yes 10K/month, and have just forked out 14K for 5 new tyres for her ute.
She also hates her current job and the people she works with, but I suppose until she sees Oz she won't know if she can live here or not. Visa question in the next post.

[petemcc]

Is it really that easy to get a Thai girlfriend and her child a visa / residency / work permit etc for OZ ?
It would be very difficult for her to get a visa for her and her child to live in the UK considering you are not married, its not your child and she cannot support herself or child. I have to jump through hoops including showing financial statements proving I can support my Thai wife and son when taking them for holidays in the UK for just a couple of weeks.

OT.............

The visa for residency would go under the spouse visa, which has some conditions attached to it to protect the Aussie, but in all honesty it doesn't appear that hard to get, having spoken to friends. Yes, I will have to show financial statements etc, and I am prepared to go through all that BS.

In theory, she could work in Oz under what is called a 457 visa. This is a visa that allows foreign nationals to work in Oz if there is no Australian to do the job basically. Many, many nurses I know from India, Zimbabwe, the Phillipines, Canada, USA, Germany and more are on 457s and they then get the hospital to sponsor them for full residency, because there is a chronic shortage of nurses in Oz, and moreso up here where I live in the tropics. Unfortunately she would not at this stage pass the IELTS test for English proficiency, so a 457 is out, however it would be my intention to let her live and work here under the spouse visa, and study English. Indeed, the Australian govt gives free English classes to migrants.

Getting the holiday visa could again seem problematic, but because (and I hear my critics saying-see, govt job, army etc, it pays off!) she is in the position she is in and can get a letter from her employer to the effect that she is who she is and has a job to go back to, with the rest of the BS a holiday visa should be easy. The Australian govt is only worried about overstayers and Asian girls getting into prostitution, but with her credentials she should be a good risk.

Visas are not my concern OT because they are achievable goals, my concern is the future.


Now, what I could do is get my TEFL qualification and live in UT for say 9 months of the year and return to Darwin to work as a nurse for say 3. I say 3 because I can get nurses accommodation for only up to that period of time for $260/fortnight and considering with shifts I'll be clearing $1800-1900 a fn, I can save loads. I would rent my house out to pay off the mortgage and keep it as an asset. That is an option, but basically my final one as it has no long-term security or financial benefits compared to her living here, but we'll see. Anyway, if I live in UT in the near future I'll have ex-pats queuing up to give me a kicking

[Khun Paul]

Ah you intend to be a teacher, so I am assuming that an arrogant self opinionated person like you will be able to teach the poor children we have here in Thailand, they will then if I assume correctly be taught by a far more superior being as you have indicated that anyone working in Thailand if they get a pittance ( your words ) can do far better in Australia.
Well pete, live on your dreams judging by your posts you may have the command of the language but interpreting that for the assimilation of Thais is another question entirely.
You asked for this post to be closed, yet you still post even more twaddle on how you will deal with the current and all future situations.
So get on with it and stop boring us with your tirades.

Mnay of us I have stated before have tried to assist you but you still give the impression many of us wasted our time, newbie you certainly are, stupid that is still up for discussion, enjoy Australia, I am sure it deserves you.

[petemcc]

Ah you intend to be a teacher, so I am assuming that an arrogant self opinionated person like you will be able to teach the poor children we have here in Thailand, they will then if I assume correctly be taught by a far more superior being as you have indicated that anyone working in Thailand if they get a pittance ( your words ) can do far better in Australia.
Well pete, live on your dreams judging by your posts you may have the command of the language but interpreting that for the assimilation of Thais is another question entirely.
You asked for this post to be closed, yet you still post even more twaddle on how you will deal with the current and all future situations.
So get on with it and stop boring us with your tirades.

Mnay of us I have stated before have tried to assist you but you still give the impression many of us wasted our time, newbie you certainly are, stupid that is still up for discussion, enjoy Australia, I am sure it deserves you.

Well, I have rattled your cage. Like I said to another poster, you don't know me, you have no idea what I am like IRL. I have spent my entire working life dealing with people in all sorts of circumstances. I am a nurse now and I will tell you what, my patients love me. Don't mistake assertiveness online with my empathy IRL.

I asked for the post to be closed but it wasn't, and I got a few good replies, until your negativity once again prevailed, tell you what Khun Paul, if I am boring you, ignore me, easy really, and there ends my first lesson.

[old-timer]

petemcc, you are going to have to move to UT or things are not going to work out between you and this bird. Even then things won't be what you expect.

OT...........

[petemcc]

Yes, and have no money, boo hoo.

[erikr_]

so she makes 20k and you add another 10k, no wonder they do not want her to go !!!!
6k-10k being a salary most thai women work long days for

She does not want to go, no matter what she tells you. If she wanted she would go (after selling the benefits to her mom)

[easterneye]

Sorry but at the age of 38 as stated by someone else she has her own mind ,, and if she REALLY wanted to be with you she would be ,,,,,, she could be hiding behind the family excuse for not wanting to go or mabe like some Thai girls is genuinly married to her family in which case your wasting your time ,, I had a similar experience with a lovely girl , but her family would allways come before me , it would never had worked out so I cut my losses ,, and am now married 2 years to a little peach !
Having said all that I left the bigger thai sites to get away from trolling ,,,,havent seen much on here , untill now ( mabe )

[petemcc]

So I am a troll now?

[nkstan]

Pete,you keep stating that we don't know you!In person,that is true.But what we do know is that you come on the forum as a newbie,seemingly humble and asking for advice on many topics,we longterm expats give you our advice and some ,even,expertise regarding your topics.

Immediately ,we learn alot about you;not so humble,argumentative,already an arrogant thinker of expertise in fields where you asked for advice,defensive against criticism,very egotistical about personal perceived or real ability to master things quickly,jump around to various ideas of employment or business ideas without any real basic understanding of the legality of certain jobs or employment regs regarding Thai employee mandates with no seeminly understanding of the ''real'' customer base or ideal business location and practices etc.etc.!

And you actually wonder why some are started to ''feel'' that you might be doing some ''trolling''???

My personal perception is that.whether you are goodhearted or not,you are probably very controlling,self important and think you know best for not only yourself(your right),but also for your Thai GF,her family and her future(not your right ,and you could be very wrong).Which is another way of saying the your Western arrogance has not yet been recognized by yourself(very and almost absolute trait in most of us,taking many years of living here to change for some,including myself)!

You invite extra criticism as a newbie ,when you ask for advice,then argue and criticize the answers!Maybe ,it might help you to understand us(if you have any real interest"),if you go back and reread your posts and responses!
I have lived here continuosly for 13+ years,married 10+ and have a stepdaughter 18 1/2 who is prepping for University.I also hold a BS in Nursing with 3 other majors including psychology,worked many years as a Psych nurse and Unit supervisor with several years as a drug and alcohol rehab counselor before that!Does that make me right and an expert,NO,but I do have many years of life experience to share as I have related to and with life,which you can accept or reject,so be it!Most of us learn by our mistakes,I am absolutely no exception to this,I would suggest you look for your ''mistakes'' and listen to the experience of those you chose to seek advice from,there is no reason to argue with responses,unless that is your pleasure

[Khun Paul]

Well said Stan, OT and others, pete go fly a kite, I agree with the comment trolling is the polite way of saying Go *** yourself or become a petrol pump.
Like Stan I have spent many years assisting people equal number of years assisting children, we do NOT know all the answers but we can certainly give you the benefit of our experience, until that is YOU decide to challenge us and ignore it.
No I do not have to read your remarks but I do have a distaste for those who seek to ridicule others who in good faith offered in some cases sensible advice.
So PETE, whomsoever and I can assure you you would never even enter my circle of aquaintances let alone friends, so go back from wherever you came from . Thankyou

[monkeyman]

If Pete is not a troll, I feel that if he were ever to live here the Thai's would eat him alive,

crikey! could you imagine sitting having a beer with this guy

[petemcc]

Well said Stan, OT and others, pete go fly a kite, I agree with the comment trolling is the polite way of saying Go *** yourself or become a petrol pump.
Like Stan I have spent many years assisting people equal number of years assisting children, we do NOT know all the answers but we can certainly give you the benefit of our experience, until that is YOU decide to challenge us and ignore it.
No I do not have to read your remarks but I do have a distaste for those who seek to ridicule others who in good faith offered in some cases sensible advice.
So PETE, whomsoever and I can assure you you would never even enter my circle of aquaintances let alone friends, so go back from wherever you came from . Thankyou

Well, if your replies to me count as assistance, I wonder how bad your hindrance would be? I sussed you from your first reply, and I would not enter your circle of acquaintances with a gun pointed at my head, because I surmise you and they are f..... w......

You offered me zero assistance because you failed to read my question, or at least understand it, and you went off at a tangent talking complete bollocks. You must be a really arrogant bastard because any inclining of criticism that you are not the best thing since sliced bread results in the vitriolic ---- you have been posting on this thread.

Just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone and promise not to come and visit you.

[petemcc]

Pete,you keep stating that we don't know you!In person,that is true.But what we do know is that you come on the forum as a newbie,seemingly humble and asking for advice on many topics,we longterm expats give you our advice and some ,even,expertise regarding your topics.

Immediately ,we learn alot about you;not so humble,argumentative,already an arrogant thinker of expertise in fields where you asked for advice,defensive against criticism,very egotistical about personal perceived or real ability to master things quickly,jump around to various ideas of employment or business ideas without any real basic understanding of the legality of certain jobs or employment regs regarding Thai employee mandates with no seeminly understanding of the ''real'' customer base or ideal business location and practices etc.etc.!

And you actually wonder why some are started to ''feel'' that you might be doing some ''trolling''???

My personal perception is that.whether you are goodhearted or not,you are probably very controlling,self important and think you know best for not only yourself(your right),but also for your Thai GF,her family and her future(not your right ,and you could be very wrong).Which is another way of saying the your Western arrogance has not yet been recognized by yourself(very and almost absolute trait in most of us,taking many years of living here to change for some,including myself)!

You invite extra criticism as a newbie ,when you ask for advice,then argue and criticize the answers!Maybe ,it might help you to understand us(if you have any real interest"),if you go back and reread your posts and responses!
I have lived here continuosly for 13+ years,married 10+ and have a stepdaughter 18 1/2 who is prepping for University.I also hold a BS in Nursing with 3 other majors including psychology,worked many years as a Psych nurse and Unit supervisor with several years as a drug and alcohol rehab counselor before that!Does that make me right and an expert,NO,but I do have many years of life experience to share as I have related to and with life,which you can accept or reject,so be it!Most of us learn by our mistakes,I am absolutely no exception to this,I would suggest you look for your ''mistakes'' and listen to the experience of those you chose to seek advice from,there is no reason to argue with responses,unless that is your pleasure

And your point is?

[petemcc]

If Pete is not a troll, I feel that if he were ever to live here the Thai's would eat him alive,

crikey! could you imagine sitting having a beer with this guy

I wonder how I managed to live for 46 years? I guess I must be very lucky not to have beaten to a pulp by now, and by the way, it's Thais, not Thai's. Obviously you are not a teacher.

[monkeyman]

[petemcc]

I have been on internet forums for 5 years and have never been accused of being a troll before.
I have actually found that those who accuse people of being trolls are ******. Are you smarting because I showed up your lack of knowledge of your native language?

[old-timer]

petemcc - the best thing your bird can do is **** you off out of it now, rather than find out later that you are a *******. What ******* idiot would say "my mother in law loves me" and "my patients love me". I wouldn't say your a troll just a ******* that thinks he knows it all. Go ahead and clean some more sh1tty beds in your ideal life in OZ.

OT.........done and dusted.......

[petemcc]

What a sensible and mature reply. I gather I am off your Christmas card list now?
Bye bye.

[nkstan]

What a sensible and mature reply. I gather I am off your Christmas card list now?
Bye bye.

And your point was????