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Post by semperfiguy » January 23, 2012, 12:52 pm

chanchop wrote:
BobHelm wrote:Corinthians is one man's interpretation of the way forward for the Christian church at a very specific time & during the Christian church's formative years in an Asian city.

He further suggests that the role of women is to remain silent.
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."[1 Cor. 14:34–35]
Great relationship advice..... :( :shock:

Personally I would suggest that you try & solve your issues with Tarot cards if you are looking for divine inspiration..
Hahahha I do tarot reading for people too lol. I'm not a fundamentalist Christian, but I believe in God and in his everlasting love and how else do we spread the word if we keep ourselves apart? But then again, let's not discuss religion else the flaming might begin. Religion is personal, that's what makes the relationship with god special for each of us. :)
Sorry for you Chanchop, but based on your reply you are fundamentally not a Christian! No more Bible verses for you because you are unable to accept the Word of God. I'm out of here...and I'll leave you to your tarot cards!

All the best!


Colossians 2:8-10...See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in HIM dwells all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

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Post by BobHelm » January 23, 2012, 1:06 pm

semperfiguy I have deliberately bitten my tongue after some of your 'religious' posting on the Forum.
Because I think that what someone believes is very much up to them.
However I think that you have now strayed too far over the line.
To decide & say that chanchop is not a Christian because she does not hold exactly the same believes as you is, in my opinion, quiet outrageous & at the very least she deserves an apology from you..

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Post by Stevo » January 23, 2012, 1:40 pm

semperfiguy wrote:No more Bible verses for you...
Lucky you Viv'... ;)
BobHelm wrote:semperfiguy I have deliberately bitten my tongue after some of your 'religious' posting on the Forum.
Because I think that what someone believes is very much up to them.
However I think that you have now strayed too far over the line.
To decide & say that chanchop is not a Christian because she does not hold exactly the same believes as you is, in my opinion, quiet outrageous & at the very least she deserves an apology from you..
I totally agree with you Bob. =D> and you put it so much more politely than I would have done.

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Post by lepidoptra » January 23, 2012, 1:42 pm

Bob
I certainly agree with you but I think your good advice will go unheeded. I think these obsessive disorders are the most difficult to cure and IMO we should treat them with the contempt they deserve.
I've always considered UM to be an information site and not a place to preach from. If I needed to learn more about religion I would go to the appropriate Church.
I believe in free speech but when the personal insults become unacceptable then it's time for their posts to be removed.
Cheers :D

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Post by semperfiguy » January 23, 2012, 2:08 pm

BobHelm wrote:semperfiguy I have deliberately bitten my tongue after some of your 'religious' posting on the Forum.
Because I think that what someone believes is very much up to them.
However I think that you have now strayed too far over the line.
To decide & say that chanchop is not a Christian because she does not hold exactly the same believes as you is, in my opinion, quiet outrageous & at the very least she deserves an apology from you..

Bob, I’m really sorry that you have been offended. The Gospel is offensive to most people, and in this day and age it is never popular to hear that there is only one source of “truth” and only one way to the Father!

Matthew 7:21-23 tell us that there will be true and false disciples of Christ:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’



I Googled “what is a real Christian” and came up with the following which is in total agreement with my views, which are the same views as articulated in the Word of God:

WHAT IS A REAL CHRISTIAN?
A Christian is someone who has decided to entrust his or her life to Jesus Christ. A Christian trusts Christ for forgiveness of sin, a right standing before God, and guidance in life.

Christian's are sometimes referred to as "born again" because Jesus said that one must be born of the water (the physical birth) and the Spirit:
John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
To be born again--born of the Spirit--a person must place his or her trust in Jesus.The Spirit of Jesus Christ actually comes to dwell within the new Christian, giving newness of life--His life.
In sum, Christ makes a Christian a Christian. Going to church does not make a person a Christian. A special ceremony can't do it. And nobody can be a Christian by trying to be a good person. Only Jesus Christ can make a person a Christian:
John 1:12,13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


So, having said that…this is the litmus test for all those that profess to be Christian. It’s not my test…it’s God’s test. So, don’t be mad at me. I’m just the messenger! If Chanchop passes this test, I’m sure that she would be most anxious to share her personal testimony with all of us on the forum of how and when she received Jesus as her personal Lord and Savior.
Colossians 2:8-10...See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in HIM dwells all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

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Post by lepidoptra » January 23, 2012, 2:15 pm

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Post by chanchop » January 23, 2012, 3:55 pm

Everyone is welcomed to their own views, and unless you have walked in my shoes, there is no way for your to judge. I do tarot card reading As a side show, but I have never told people that it is their fortune. They know it is only for entertainment because it is during dinners for one hour, and each person gets a max of one minute at the reading. However, I digress, because your have summed it up very well.

To be born again--born of the Spirit--a person must place his or her trust in Jesus.The Spirit of Jesus Christ actually comes to dwell within the new Christian, giving newness of life--His life.
In sum, Christ makes a Christian a Christian. Going to church does not make a person a Christian. A special ceremony can't do it. And nobody can be a Christian by trying to be a good person. Only Jesus Christ can make a person a Christian:
John 1:12,13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

I do not go to church either, because I am uncomfortable with organized religion that gives too much power to a few to change or shape the beliefs of a person. I believe in god, he is my savior, I speak with him daily and he guides why I do. However, I am given leave to be human and to have insecurities sometimes. I believe in the best of people, which is why I know you mean well, but really, religion is really personal and each person has a different relationship with God. My brother in law is a pastor and my sister works in the same church, she does not judge me for not going to church either because she saw how the pastors' jealous daughter made my secondary school life hellish through the endless gossiping. So I respectfully ask that you do not judge anyone else here, for let "he who has no sin cast the first stone."

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Post by harmonyudon » January 23, 2012, 4:01 pm

Chanchop,

I did not read all pages.Does your bfr work??

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Post by chanchop » January 23, 2012, 4:24 pm

Yes he does, as a singer in singapore, and he makes pretty good $ too... About 10k - 12k sgd a month. However, I have asked him to stop working, as I am really uncomfortable with so many women growing money at him to go out with them etc. so he agreed a few months ago, and is now preparing to open a shop in udon town since rental is only 5-7k baht a month. Clothing prices range from 80-280 baht and that seems like a pretty good venture with low risk, so I would be sharing the cost of setting up this biz. He is still doing some research on buying pattern, but likely we will do a online store with a real store at udtown where people can pick up their clothes / buy as a walk in.

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Post by harmonyudon » January 23, 2012, 4:33 pm

Again....goodluck...Chanchop!

Perhaps I can jam with him in the near future.

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Post by fatbob » January 23, 2012, 5:15 pm

Do unto others as you would have them do to you, or in my terms 'treat others as you like to be treated', thats about as religious as I need to be. After reading your post Semper the hairs on my neck stood up, mate your one frightening individual, any relationship has to be worked at, give and take as they say, anyway as Dave Allen used to say 'May your God go with you'!

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Post by lepidoptra » January 23, 2012, 5:33 pm

coxo wrote:Dave Allen used to say 'May your God go with you'!
C'mon Coxo in this case Dave Allen would have said "Bring in the men in white coats"

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Post by Jello » January 23, 2012, 5:42 pm

chanchop wrote:He knows I have the software installed, and I told him about it when I got him the iphone as a birthday present...
A gift of a 13,000 baht phone with the caveat that I can track you anytime. Put yourself in his shoes (someone from a poor background) and think about how you would feel about that. Personally, I'd be offended by the tracking device, but I wouldn't turn down a 13,000 baht phone.
chanchop wrote:He has this strange habit, and his friends as well, to get a cheap hotel room and drink there, and this I know only coz I have been to several of such "parties"... But every time we are apart I get very insecure and wonder what he is up to, and he is patient enough with me to let me check, though he does get angry and switches off te phone sometimes...
That doesn't sound patient to me. Sounds like he puts up with it for a while then tells you how he really feels.
Thais are not direct and slow to anger.
chanchop wrote:However, the latest quarrel was the worst coz I called his parents... I couldn't understand why he kept going out at 3 or 4am! Anyways,
A really bad idea. If you really thought that it was OK to call a 30 year old mans parents to discuss his actions, then well, I don't know what to tell you.
chanchop wrote:I contributed to the car, paid the deposit of 50k baht but he is paying the installments and the "extra enhancements" himself. Ever since the car, the trips to Udon has been amazing, we have been to pattaya, roi et, Khon kaen, Nong balumphu, korat, just to name a few places. He also installed a hot water heater and a shower so I could sleep at his place, together with a sit down toilet after he found I really have a problem with the squatting toilets.
I think you said before he lives with his parents and sister? If so, remember Thais like modern conveniences too. Don't fool yourself into thinking these things were bought solely for you. However your visits probably prompted them to buy these things that they will use on a daily basis.
chanchop wrote:These days, he is paying for me when I am in Thailand, or we would share sometimes when the bill is larger. Things has improved, but we are still learning about each other and getting used to the dramatically different culture. Singapore has very British roots that is extremely entrenched in our society, and we are a lot more meritocratic than Thailand with very western, outspoken views. I hate it when he lies, and this is something I don't do, not yet at least. If he persists in telling his white lies that he feels are harmless, I will have to learn to tell them to, coz if you can't beat them, join them...
The white lie is a very Thai thing. He doesn't see it as bad the way we might. He sees it as saving you from any bad feelings. He probably assumes you do the same. Stick to your principles of being truthful and encourage him to do likewise. Just realize that that's against his way of dealing with things.
chanchop wrote:Well, will just see what happens and I am not going to ask him about the hotel again coz I don't have conclusive evidence that he was really there, coz I saw it in the afternoon when he switched his phone back on, but he could be anywhere else before that and also, the red dot appeared again right after, which could mean his phone picked up the free wifi there or the 3G signal for Dtac is stronger there.
This kind of thinking will only make you feel more insecure. Forget about it. Be secure by believing in yourself and that he's lucky to have you. When your not here, let him lead his life as he sees fit. When your here (or he's in your country) then its a different story.
chanchop wrote:I am insecure because I am unable to converse fully in Thai, though most common words are familiar now, but philosophical discussions still need the dictionary's help


If your having philosophical discussions with him then I envy you. I don't personally know any Thais that care to think to deeply about things.
chanchop wrote:and there is still very little sex like once a month or even less. He is affectionate like holds hands, kisses my forehead or lips and cooks for me when he visits in singapore, but this is really something I am not used to, this abstinence.
Have you talked to him about it? If he's not meeting your needs maybe you should start a casual relationship in Singapore. After all, your not married to him
chanchop wrote:He is also deeply religious and I am not allowed to touch his right hand now, coz he implanted some beads under his arm. It is a very different culture since I am Christian, and he also doesn't quite like me to touch his head.
Is he Buddhist? I've never heard of the beads in the arm thing. Do you know what the religious significance of this is?
If you don't know anything about Buddhism, pick up a book on basic Buddhist beliefs. It will give you some insight into Thai culture and the way they think. A good one is "What the Buddha taught".
chanchop wrote:One day I would probably write a novel about our story, but que sera sera for now, I love his company, I am happy with him and I guess we would see what else develops later.
That's actually a very good idea. Plenty of books out there written by men about Thai women. A women's view of Thai men would be something new.


Let me say these are just my opinions. I don't know you or your boyfriend, this is just based on what you've posted.
I do believe that people often beat themselves up worrying what the other person is doing in a long distance relationship and if you want to keep your sanity, you need to develop a different view of what the relationship should be. You have no control over what he does when he is not with you so don't worry about it. Concern yourself with how he is when your together.

I'm sure I get some flack for this comment but what I see with some Thais is they believe that what I don't see/hear/know about doesn't affect me. And it's often true, if you chose to live you life like that.
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chanchop wrote:Yes he does, as a singer in singapore, and he makes pretty good $ too... About 10k - 12k sgd a month. However, I have asked him to stop working, as I am really uncomfortable with so many women growing money at him to go out with them etc. so he agreed a few months ago, and is now preparing to open a shop in udon town since rental is only 5-7k baht a month. Clothing prices range from 80-280 baht and that seems like a pretty good venture with low risk, so I would be sharing the cost of setting up this biz. He is still doing some research on buying pattern, but likely we will do a online store with a real store at udtown where people can pick up their clothes / buy as a walk in.
Wait a minute, 10k - 12k sgd a month? That's average 272,000 baht a month or 3,264,000 baht per year if he works all year, and you talked him into giving that up to sell cloths at the market?? Well if this post isn't total BS then my advice to HIM is to drop you like a bad habit!
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Post by Aardvark » January 23, 2012, 5:53 pm

I think he's Gay 8)

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Post by harmonyudon » January 23, 2012, 7:28 pm

Are you all jelous or what??

If ChonChop is happy with her relationship, let her??????

Goodluck again ChonChop??

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Post by trubrit » January 23, 2012, 7:54 pm

semperfiguy wrote:For those of you who despise so called "religious overtones", how about some good old fashion secular wisdom for success!
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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » January 23, 2012, 7:56 pm

The toughest people to 'brainwash' are dedicated Communists, fundamentalist Christians and aristocrats because these people believe they are right.
We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depths of our answers.

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Post by semperfiguy » January 23, 2012, 8:39 pm

trubrit wrote:
semperfiguy wrote:For those of you who despise so called "religious overtones", how about some good old fashion secular wisdom for success!
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You're funny trubrit! I've missed hearing from you. I was wondering when you were going to get in on this. You know...there was a time when God spoke directly to the people after HE gave Moses the 10 Commandments on Mount Sinai. The following is their reaction from The Book of Exodus, Chapter 20:

18 When the people heard the thunder and the loud blast of the horn, and when they saw the lightning and the smoke billowing from the mountain, they stood at a distance, trembling with fear. 19 And they said to Moses, "You tell us what God says, and we will listen. But don't let God speak directly to us. If he does, we will die!" 20 "Don't be afraid," Moses said, "for God has come in this way to show you his awesome power. From now on, let your fear of him keep you from sinning!" 21 As the people stood in the distance, Moses entered into the deep darkness where God was. 22 And the LORD said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel: You are witnesses that I have spoken to you from heaven.


I'd say that would be our same reaction today if God spoke directly to us, so be glad that it's only us humans expounding on the Word of God for the time being. In due season we will all have our chance to hear HIS voice one on one, and I'd say there won't be a single critic in the crowd!
Colossians 2:8-10...See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in HIM dwells all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

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Post by BobHelm » January 23, 2012, 8:55 pm

& yet less than 2,000 years after that the son of god lived on earth for 30 odd years & must have spoken to thousands (5,000 alone in one sitting if the loaves & fishes miracle is to believed).
Yet there is not 1 recorded incident when anyone was terrified....
Umm...sounds like rather an excuse by people to control people to me...

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Post by semperfiguy » January 23, 2012, 9:34 pm

BobHelm wrote:& yet less than 2,000 years after that the son of god lived on earth for 30 odd years & must have spoken to thousands (5,000 alone in one sitting if the loaves & fishes miracle is to believed).
Yet there is not 1 recorded incident when anyone was terrified....
Umm...sounds like rather an excuse by people to control people to me...
You're partially right Bob! If you owned a barn full of horses that caught on fire and you had the option to send in another horse that spoke horse language and could lead them out safely, I'd say that's the option you would go with. Jesus is the God Man...100% God and 100% human! A hard concept to grasp, but nonetheless true. It was all part of the Father's plan to send a human to communicate HIS message of reconciliation in terms that we could all understand. Jesus was accepted by few, despised and rejected by most and the High Priests and many in the Jewish community were terrified of Him because they were afraid that Jesus would upset the status quo and their high standing within the community. It's no different today. If someone walks and talks like Jesus, the world calls them a frightening individual and a lunatic and is ready to nail them to a cross.

In my previous post I was referring particularly to hearing the voice of God the Father. I'll never forget the words on a billboard sign near my home in Tennessee. It said "DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE...GOD"!
Colossians 2:8-10...See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For in HIM dwells all the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is the head of all principality and power.

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