You really cant tell can you? (Wife leaves me)

Post by **bamakmak** » October 29, 2011, 5:22 pm

After reading all of the venom that you’ve spewed toward your wife along with the insults and sarcasm directed to members of this forum (some of whom only mildly rebuked you), I have no doubt that you are guilty of domestic violence. If by some chance your wife’s solicitors are unable to prove that in court, it would be more a reflection of their incompetence than your character.

Some animals who, when caught in a trap, have chewed off their leg in order to escape and save their lives. I think that the fact that your wife survived living with you for as long as she did is no less heroic.

Post by **BenZona** » October 29, 2011, 5:55 pm

bamakmak wrote:After reading all of the venom that you’ve spewed toward your wife along with the insults and sarcasm directed to members of this forum (some of whom only mildly rebuked you), I have no doubt that you are guilty of domestic violence. If by some chance your wife’s solicitors are unable to prove that in court, it would be more a reflection of their incompetence than your character.

Some animals who, when caught in a trap, have chewed off their leg in order to escape and save their lives. I think that the fact that your wife survived living with you for as long as she did is no less heroic.

hahaha yer right, and thats why you are not a judge and probably one of the misfits i see running around Central Udon alcoholizing their lives away

think what you like mate, if it makes you feel better, bad lawyers did it for me... correctumundo, wd...how clever u are working it all out. Never mind police reports backing me up, never mind friends knowing the truth, never mind a judge telling her she is a liar, your version is reality hey?

seeing as we are about to hit page 20 i thought id recap

1: Meets wife in 2009
2: Wife visits Australia twice for about 9 months (note the lack of any mention of DV)
3: Marries wife in 2010
4: wife pregnant in late 2010
5: Perm VIsa applied for in 2011
6: Son born may 2011
7: WIfe comes to Australia on full visa July 8th (visa approved 30th June)
8: Wife vanishes Aug 24th (7 weeks after getting visa)
9: WIfe makes private DVO application Aug 26th
10: I do not see my son for two months
11: Oct, sees son for first time in two months
11: DVO withdrawn after heavy pressure in court (basically she was called a liar and a con woman)
12: Wife actually admits in court she only stayed with me for her visa
13: Wife now refuses more than once a month contact between the baby and his 12 year old sister

Whatever you think chump, this is what has happened. ANYONE considering taking on one of these professional scammers don't make the mistakes i did, (or thousands of others have) just shag em and go home

(Hi Bel xx)

All the other stupid opinions don't matter at all, hot air from old men.. These are the facts, i was scammed for a visa by someone so low she actually had a baby to make it happen, then, in a fit of anger in the courtroom she admitted it.... like i said a few pages back, if you think this is ok behaviour, then you are warped too far beyond repair.

I notice you (censored before being removed my modorator) have not even commented on her refusal to let my daughter see her brother, what's wrong? too far out of your comfort zone for cheap insults? I suppose thats ok, i guess i am to blame for having another child....

I think the phrase rhymes with "clucking bell" followed by a big sigh

Post by **merchant seaman** » October 29, 2011, 6:33 pm

What happened to the first wife? When you met your present wife where you living here in Thailand or only making brief visits? I've been living here for almost 30 years been married to the same woman for over 20 have 3 sons. Knew my wife for 5 years before getting married. You seem to have done all in a matter of one year bouncing back and forth to Oz. Did your wife con you? Maybe, but where was your brain? What you, and many before you have done, would you even consider doing the same with a woman from Oz? I think the bottom line is you f--ked up and now what sympathy for your MISTAKES!! Your marriage is finished you have a son who most likely will stay with his mother and you are responseable for him financally so own up to it and get on with your life.

Post by **fatbob** » October 29, 2011, 6:35 pm

So every expat who lives in Udon is in a zimmer frame, is an alcholic, financially supports all of the wifes family members blah blah and is a non contributing member of society. Very ill informed judgement.
It might be a good idea for you to see a therapist to help you through your anger and personal issues and get both feet firmly planted on planet earth again. The disrespect you direct towards females and all who dissagree with your opinion is unhealthy.

KB_Texas · Post by **KB_Texas** » October 29, 2011, 7:04 pm

coxo wrote:So every expat who lives in Udon is in a zimmer frame, is an alcholic, financially supports all of the wifes family members blah blah and is a non contributing member of society. Very ill informed judgement.
It might be a good idea for you to see a therapist to help you through your anger and personal issues and get both feet firmly planted on planet earth again. The disrespect you direct towards females and all who dissagree with your opinion is unhealthy.

Hear, hear. As one who does not know many of the folks participating here, I have been reluctant to say anything. I do know that some of the people who have been attacked by BenZona are quite helpful, and have done their best to help others when questions are asked.

BenZona...I do not know you, and based on your replies here, I have no wish to. Seriously, you have anger issues that need to be addressed. If what you say is true (? we really do only have YOUR side, don't we), then perhaps it is understandable to be upset and angry. However, to spew vitriol at any who plays devils advocate and asks questions that seem to disagree with your version (the only one we know), and to cast dispersions on people you do not know, definitely proves the anger management issue. If you cannot see that, then you're not as smart as you think you are.

I have no plan to say anything further in this thread. But it is about time someone spoke up and said what needed to be said. (thanks coxo) To me, anything that might have been useful about it was surpassed 50 messages or more ago.

KB (now one of the old, senile, alcoholic, gay, used expats in Udon Thani

)

Post by **jackspratt** » October 29, 2011, 9:34 pm

Let's assume for a moment that, however improbable you may think Ben's narrative is, what he is telling us actually happening.

The question that I keep asking myself is - what is motivating him to keep coming back here (after earlier closing the thread) in the face of continuous questioning, negativity, and in some cases, outright hostility?

Is he not yet confident that he has achieved the moral high ground - which on this forum at least, seems to be slipping further away with every new post he puts here?

I suspect Frankie got it right on page 18.

Post by **pienmash** » October 29, 2011, 11:10 pm

Well this has turned into a right handbags at dawn thread ,,,,,,,,,, its not rocket science and as simple as me frying a sausage ,,,, IMO its just best not to post private /intimate family happenings good or bad on an open forum . Benzoma i dont know you but i really hope things turn out ok and quick for you , just dont attack members for commenting in anyway on a private subject you chose to make a public discussion ,,,,,,, i personally know several of the members engged on this thread and all are decent , respectable people so i would sumise it could be a combination of your bitterness , anger and pent up stress thats makes your replies so aggressive ........ having been in a similar sutuation i hope you can understand my point .

BTW ... this thread means nothing without pictures ...... thar was alighthearted interlude from mash .

good luck and chill out if poss .

Post by **old-timer** » October 30, 2011, 2:00 am

who has been dragged to court over abusing women or children ?

Benzona. That's who.

OT's off to get drunk with a pocket full of money together with another WFB. There'll be no court case over that, however. I'll give her a visa if she wants one.

OT........--------.... $\:D/$

Post by **nkstan** » October 30, 2011, 6:22 am

jackspratt wrote:Let's assume for a moment that, however improbable you may think Ben's narrative is, what he is telling us actually happening.

The question that I keep asking myself is - what is motivating him to keep coming back here (after earlier closing the thread) in the face of continuous questioning, negativity, and in some cases, outright hostility?

Is he not yet confident that he has achieved the moral high ground - which on this forum at least, seems to be slipping further away with every new post he puts here?

I suspect Frankie got it right on page 18.

To judge the emotional base of someone that is raw with pain and finds himself having salt rubbed into the wound by expats making judgements against him rather than support,is presumptous to say the least,IMO!

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » October 30, 2011, 7:06 am

Let’s look at something else here. The ex’s visa is ‘Temporary Residence’. This is a two year ‘cooling off’ visa after which she will have to go to Immigration again and apply for the 5 year Permanent Resident visa during which time she will be reassessed (been there, done that).

Along with the normal proof of income, character references, medical, etc. these court appearances and this situation will come to the fore. IMHO if she is granted the new visa she obviously fulfills the requirements to become an Australian citizen and has done nothing wrong.

Post by **trubrit** » October 30, 2011, 7:20 am

nkstan wrote:

To judge the emotional base of someone that is raw with pain and finds himself having salt rubbed into the wound by expats making judgements against him rather than support,is presumptous to say the least,IMO!

No Stan . What is presumptuous is posting a detailed , blow by blow account, of his marriage relationship on a public forum
(Forum: A place for discussion, not sympathy.) and expecting others who have never experienced what he has said occurred,to understand. I cannot , for the life of me , understand why he has chosen to do so . His postings have long gone over simply venting, which might have been therapeutic, to absolute vitriol, not only against his wife but now to other posters. He , by his replies, is showing a personality trait that just might account for his wife's seemingly unaccountable behaviour , if indeed it is true, and several members have sensed this. There are "Auntie Mary" type columns who he could have written to and received sympathetic ,understanding ,advice, unfortunately for him, this forum is not one of them.

Post by **grozza** » October 30, 2011, 8:01 am

benzona,
having read your antics on this forum and your history with women,ie two children to different partners that ended soon after kids were born have you ever sat back and thought hay maybe there is something wrong with me,or is always someone else and fault and not yours,and before you call me an alcholic or a old fart you can count on 1 hand how many times i drink in a year and im 38 years old. :-"

Post by **jacob6** » October 30, 2011, 10:48 am

From what i've read, possibly only one of you know the OP.I don't know if the guy is a troll or is is genuine. Let's assume he is for real. Some of his descriptions of his wife were to say the least, colourful. Understandable if he feels he has been scammed, i guessing some of you would do the same, were you in his position. He seems to have got offside with other members with his reply when questioned about his Social Status (what that has to do with anything eludes me, unless you feel superior to others). He airs his dirty laundry on a public forum, so what. If nobody replies, it dies. But 'would be' sleuths, lawyers and moralists can't help themselves. Hostility doesn't rest only with the OP, some of the old members do their share too. If you've got nothing good to say, say nothing(mum told me that), otherwise it just turns into a slanging match. Mum also told me, 'don't judge others unless you think you're perfect'. Just my opinion

Post by **Laan Yaa Mo** » October 31, 2011, 3:17 am

There seem to be two major problems here. One, the OP comes off as a bit overbearing and obnoxious; therefore, he is not very likable. Two, only one side of the story is available. It may be as the OP states, but who knows for sure?

Post by **Barstool** » October 31, 2011, 11:26 am

In all fairness I believe "Pompui" knows BenZona and his wife; perhaps he can shed some light as to the authenticity of the OP's plight.

Whatever, I, amongst most, hope that in due course all concerned find their due happiness .. especially their children.

Chock Dee

Post by **BenZona** » October 31, 2011, 8:11 pm

Bandung_Dero wrote:Let’s look at something else here. The ex’s visa is ‘Temporary Residence’. This is a two year ‘cooling off’ visa after which she will have to go to Immigration again and apply for the 5 year Permanent Resident visa during which time she will be reassessed (been there, done that).

Along with the normal proof of income, character references, medical, etc. these court appearances and this situation will come to the fore. IMHO if she is granted the new visa she obviously fulfills the requirements to become an Australian citizen and has done nothing wrong.

Wrong, she claimed domestic violence and has had the 2 year period waived, she is now a FULL resident. Incidentally she applied to them only 9 days after vanishing
let me repeat that.

SHE USED CLAIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO GET HER TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD WAIVED WITHIN NINE DAYS OF LEAVING
In two years she can get an Aussie passport, she cannot have the visa taken away...........lets keep supporting the poor Thai girl shall we? She didn't plan this at all did she?

jackspratt wrote: Let's assume for a moment that, however improbable you may think Ben's narrative is, what he is telling us actually happening..

if its implausible for a third party, Imagine how hard a time i have had getting my head around it, Is it any surprise i get a bit miffed sometimes.

jackspratt wrote: The question that I keep asking myself is - what is motivating him to keep coming back here (after earlier closing the thread) in the face of continuous questioning, negativity, and in some cases, outright hostility?.

Now that IS a very good question, and it has two answers. 1: Its a vent for when i am frustrated, some people hit the bottle, i feel better shouting out to the world and 2: The hostility is part of the fun Jack. Lets face it, only two people know what has REALLY happened, me and her, and im pretty confident that i am being more than honest, so seeing people come in here and say things like he wrote the word bifta therefore he is a junkie is entertaining at best, and stupid at least.

jackspratt wrote: Is he not yet confident that he has achieved the moral high ground - which on this forum at least, seems to be slipping further away with every new post he puts here?

jack, i don't want any moral high ground. Im telling the truth 100%, to the people that matter,and what i am telling them is what i am telling here...Why do you need the "moral high ground" when you are absolutely confident that the truth will prevail. (incidently, to have the high ground over a visa scammer who went as far as to have a child with someone to get that visa is not that hard)

So, once again, i say, flamers (not you this time Jack) FLAME AWAY, cos i seriously dont care

Someone just above mentioned Pompui, look, i met him a few times, i stayed (with her and the baby) and my daughter at bamboo gardens, I met him there through another friend. he is not a life long mate, but he did catch the gist of what was going on over there.

There are guys over there who know im telling the truth.. but i don't need their "support" and them coming on here wont change the flaming because they know it wont stop them , and anyway the other person is actually banned from here, going back 3 years or so, so he cant post (not that i would want him too)

in ya come boys............ "Japanese horse porn" lets have some more assumptions

Post by **Astana** » November 1, 2011, 10:22 am

Japanese horse porn now that is interesting!

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » November 1, 2011, 12:52 pm

BenZona wrote: Wrong, she claimed domestic violence and has had the 2 year period waived, she is now a FULL resident. Incidentally she applied to them only 9 days after vanishing
let me repeat that.

SHE USED CLAIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO GET HER TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD WAIVED WITHIN NINE DAYS OF LEAVING
In two years she can get an Aussie passport, she cannot have the visa taken away...........lets keep supporting the poor Thai girl shall we? She didn't plan this at all did she?

Well some more "Japanese Horse Porn"???

You got to hand it too her, she must be pretty smart and/or have some serious help as well as being very convincing.

Took me over an hour to find this and I can't fully make head nor tail of it.
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/38domestic.htm

Just one point that stands out.

Eligibility

Under the FVP, people who are in Australia and who are applicants for the following visa classes may be eligible to continue with their application for permanent residence:

Family stream visa classes
Primary applicants for:

Partner (permanent) – offshore
Spouse (permanent) – offshore*
Interdependency (permanent) – offshore*
Partner (temporary and permanent) – onshore
Spouse (temporary and permanent) – onshore*
Interdependency (temporary and permanent) – onshore*.
*Although these visas have been closed to new applicants from 1 July 2009, existing applicants are covered by family violence provisions.

She would have fallen into the "Spouse (temporary and permanent) – onshore*" catagory and the note says that has been closed for more than 2 years and I can't see anywhere where they could or would waive the temporary residence period.

Can you quote a reference where this waiver is in place or do we still piss around with more Horse Porn? I mean speculation is still the only option as we have seen NO facts!

Post by **merchant seaman** » November 1, 2011, 1:12 pm

BanDung you want facts? There hasn't been any real facts stated yet since this started except that she left him. That's about the only real fact we are going to get. But it sure makes for a great read and the OP has brought all this on by himself. He actually seems to relish all the negative remarks. If it was sympathy he wanted should have wrote to Dear Hillary in the Pattay Mail.

Post by **BenZona** » November 1, 2011, 5:38 pm

Bandung_Dero wrote:
BenZona wrote: Wrong, she claimed domestic violence and has had the 2 year period waived, she is now a FULL resident. Incidentally she applied to them only 9 days after vanishing
let me repeat that.

SHE USED CLAIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO GET HER TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD WAIVED WITHIN NINE DAYS OF LEAVING
In two years she can get an Aussie passport, she cannot have the visa taken away...........lets keep supporting the poor Thai girl shall we? She didn't plan this at all did she?
Well some more "Japanese Horse Porn"???

You got to hand it too her, she must be pretty smart and/or have some serious help as well as being very convincing.

Took me over an hour to find this and I can't fully make head nor tail of it.
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/38domestic.htm

Just one point that stands out.
Eligibility

Under the FVP, people who are in Australia and who are applicants for the following visa classes may be eligible to continue with their application for permanent residence:

Family stream visa classes
Primary applicants for:

Partner (permanent) – offshore
Spouse (permanent) – offshore*
Interdependency (permanent) – offshore*
Partner (temporary and permanent) – onshore
Spouse (temporary and permanent) – onshore*
Interdependency (temporary and permanent) – onshore*.
*Although these visas have been closed to new applicants from 1 July 2009, existing applicants are covered by family violence provisions.
She would have fallen into the "Spouse (temporary and permanent) – onshore*" catagory and the note says that has been closed for more than 2 years and I can't see anywhere where they could or would waive the temporary residence period.

Can you quote a reference where this waiver is in place or do we still piss around with more Horse Porn? I mean speculation is still the only option as we have seen NO facts!

Erm, how is this for a stallion.. In her affidavit it says she was granted a full 100 visa on the 26th September, A day after that i got her full resident green medicare card accidental sent to my address.

She came in on a 900 visa, left me after seven weeks, approached immigration on about the 9th of September and had her 100 visa ACCORDING TO HER EVIDENCE on 26th September... maybe an immigration expert could come in and confirm more facts for you but this is what has happened. So i have been told, by immigration themselves, there are only limited clauses allowed for her to stay after such a short time in the country, and domestic violence is one of them.... I doubt she would pretend to have the 100 visa now, do you?

as for handing it to her... yes mate, you do that... hand her what you like...it does not change the facts.