The price of a cup of coffee in Udon

Post by **monkeyman** » April 15, 2008, 11:27 am

arjay wrote:My point being, - there are 2 sides to every coin and everyone has a right to choose and to determine there own priorities, without being labelled "Cheap Charlies"!!.

yes, I definitely agree and see your point of view....

Post by **monkeyman** » April 15, 2008, 11:40 am

Arjay, I forgot...(especially being a mature moderator) not having a dig back because was you said as I agree with it, but please take off those stupid half naked women pictures as my eight year old daughter and wife are very curious what I am looking at on my com as I open the forum quite a few times a day. It's not really necessary when you can see the real thing just around any corner??? baffles me>>>>>especially when you mention you think so much about your girlfriend???

probably get deleted as your a moderator...

Post by **Hages** » April 15, 2008, 11:47 am

HMMM.....let me think.

Arjay's avitar, or monkeyman's

Tough choice.

Post by **pompui** » April 15, 2008, 11:55 am

But then again moderators have a free reign on this forum,as long as we have the permission of the originator to show his or her work of art then fine,trouble is cannot find the cheap charlie to mine.He is probably in a monkey house somewhere!
There is always a place for a cheap charlie in Udon

Post by **arjay** » April 15, 2008, 12:07 pm

My GF doesn't have a problem with them.

I'm open and receptive to input, so consider it done!

Post by **wizard** » April 15, 2008, 4:20 pm

[quote="BobHelm "If they start giving some cheese as well then maybe 60 baht isn't so bad... :quote] Maybe you would like a glass of chardonnay to wash the cheese down and all for the fantastic price of 60B.

Arjay, The above quote is one of many where people want to screw down the prices just to fit their pockets. Well tough titties to you "Cheap Charlies", you know the prices, just say no. You must walk around with your eyes and ears closed if you have not come across the many "cheap charlies" over here, no offence intended. It should not be called LOS, should be LOW (land of whingers). Sorry 5wind, I live a bit south of soi falang, about 120klms in fact and who is whinging about prices of girls. I'm not are you.

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 15, 2008, 4:40 pm

There is always a place for a cheap charlie in Udon

that's good, i was getting worried for a while. ok, my point of view,

, a cheap charlie, or thrifty, depending on who's keeping track. some things, we have no control, others, especially dining out, there is some control, or choices. mine go with service and quality and value. 2 places fit the bill perfectly, TJ's, Irish Clock, both excellent food/value, excellent propietors one upscale, one average and priced accordingly. other places i visit, nong's and nobi's, decent value, good owners that i enjoy spending time with. couple item on menu i enjoy, i'm happy. the rest, with a couple exception, i don't visit as i find them poor values or unattentive service. there is too much competition to be lax in the service department. am i a cheap charlie, maybe, am i thrifty, yes. a farang meal shouldn't pass 150-200 baht or be something special (except beef steaks, of course). the rent/overheard, food, hired help and all cost are considerably cheaper than in the states, but i can find some things as good or better in the states for same price, not acceptable. out of principle, i'll simply go without, and take advantage of what i can't get in the states. just my thoughts. i do a lot of converting, and change my mind on principle. i'm sure many other do the same.

on fixed income, but not a decision factor, still have one or two baht extra at the end of the month. for some it is a factor, expecially if on a work visa and no outside income. choice are to be made, not criticised. until you walk in them shoes, ..............bla bla bla.

Post by **arjay** » April 15, 2008, 5:22 pm

Wizard, there's profit and there's profit. I certainly don't begrudge a business making a profit. Though I'm certainly not one who goes round, saying to a business proprietor why don't you charge a bit more for this or that. I am someone however, who will go next door if it's cheaper and as good. Why not. I believe in taking care of my money.

And yes again, if I think something is over-priced, I will exercise my significant power as a consumer, and vote with my feet by going elsewhere. That's something that I feel the Thais haven't caught onto yet in terms of customer service - the power of the customer/consumer - though I would think most farangs have.

Using your 60 baht coffee as an example, I would suggest that is a reasonable price for a cafe Latte or a cappuccino, but over the top for an ordinary coffee. The guy on the ground floor in Big C can sell Latte and cappuccino in air conditioned surroundings at around 35-40 baht and still make a profit.

And yes, if sometimes I want to go somewhere special, or somewhere with live entertainment for a special occasion, I will pay more or expect to pay more. But I don't look for the most expensive places, I look to get the best out of my money, and if I consider somewhere is over pricing things I will be amongst the first to avoid it (whatever establishment that may be).

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 15, 2008, 5:55 pm

60 baht is a bit much for any regular coffee, when i can buy a bag of bon cafe for 80. which i get 10 large cups from. good comparison of mall coffee, w/good people watching. or at corner bon cafe near taco place, for 35/40 baht maybe, ac, just wish they offered a danish or something. which, by the way, if you enjoy bon cafe, has the cheapest prices for coffee and filters. now if you want to buy a coffee machine

go elsewhere. that 295 baht water kettle from lotus and filters from BC, are a better option. hmm, coffee machine or new phantom motorbike, not sure,

Post by **hxjohn** » April 15, 2008, 6:18 pm

The cost of a cup of coffee consists of more than the ingredients and the coffee machine. In order to get a fully integrated picture of the cup costs, one needs to add costs for brewing time, cleaning time, waste of coffee, service and maintenance costs, machine depreciation, machine financing costs, filter papers and other cost elements which might be invisible to the eye. Even, unfortunateley, theft is a cost to include. All these 'hidden costs' have to be taken into account!

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ps i did not wright this

Post by **saint** » April 15, 2008, 6:23 pm

wizard, you live in khon kean right, and you think that most people in udon are cheap charlies as you call us right, so why the hell did you buy a business in udon? and as for people voting with thier feet, looks like most people here took your advice before you gave it. thats why your place is always empty!!!!!!

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 15, 2008, 6:43 pm

why the hell did you buy a business in udon?

and what business are we talking about, to put this in perspective. just cuious if i've been there or not. thank you.

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » April 15, 2008, 7:03 pm

yo, come on, it's coffee. if capp or latte, yea, need to invest in a machine, which, reasonable, 50k, the rest is cheap rent, staff, coffee is expensive, but far from outrageous. waste of coffee should be none, since good stuff is made fresh. cleaning cost, little vinegar once a week, not that rough. obviously coffee alone is not going to generate a business. not sure how bon cafe does it, unless they sell a lot of non drinking coffee, supplies and stuff that i buy. but if i can make coffee at the house, a very large coffee vs what they sell in a shop, for less than 10 baht, then the have a huge mark up. my cup is 450 ml/6tbsp/3/8ths cup coffee for my large cup. that's why i drink my morning bev at home, would cost at least 100 or more for my cup. just a thought.

Post by **tingtongfalang** » April 15, 2008, 10:43 pm

monkeyman wrote:
wizard wrote:I think someone who wants to make a bar or restaurant a going concern has to charge a reasonable price. In saying that, there are a lot of miserable penny pinching, cheap charlies and freeloaders who complain about high prices in LOS. They wish it to be Thai prices in an air-con premises. Go buy yourself a jug and make it at home and stop the bellyaching.
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Well said Wizard....Cheap Charlies should go back to home country and try and buy a coffee in the same environment..... If you can't pay don't play'

One reason for going to LOS and other places is it is supposed to be cheaper cost of living. It is no fun when you pay the same 1 or 2 dollars for a cup of coffee there. You pay that much in the States.

Post by **wizard** » April 15, 2008, 10:48 pm

[quote="saint"]wizard, so why the hell did you buy a business in udon? {/quote]

Err, let me cast my mind back a bit. Nope, cant think of any business that I have in Udon Thani or Khon Kaen. Please kindly name such business and general location otherwise your creditbility is out the door. Tingtonfalang, it is cheaper. Just depends where you want your coffee. Some places can be around 30b in this establishment it is 60b (Mojos).

Post by **saint** » April 16, 2008, 7:52 am

i m sorry wizard , i assumed you had some involvment in mojos, as you seem to defend thier pricing policy to the hilt. as for my credabilty, who gives a 5hit,i got more important things to worry about, like where not to spend my money, me being a udon cheap charlie as you so elequently called me

Post by **arjay** » April 16, 2008, 10:40 am

Saint wrote: I'm sorry wizard , i assumed you had some involvment in mojos, as you seem to defend thier pricing policy to the hilt.

Wizard wrote:Nope, cant think of any business that I have in Udon Thani or Khon Kaen.

Wizard wrote:Some places can be around 30b in this establishment it is 60b (Mojos).

I think I can see where saint drew his conclusions from.

Post by **aznyron** » April 16, 2008, 10:50 am

I have not read the entire article but I do want to say 30 baht is the max I will pay for a cup of coffee
if they charge me more I pay & never return to that shop. like arjay said I vote with my feet
and trust me I have been to many places here in udon only to leave & never return
now I eat at home liquid diet can not chew.

Post by **wizard** » April 16, 2008, 11:14 am

Arjay,
You have that mixed up a little bit in your 9.40am today reply. Our friend 'Saint' assumed I had a business in Udon Thani as per his 5.23pm 4/15/08 post. My reply to that was after his reply. So therefore he could not have drawn any conclusion that I had a business. I have no involvement in Mojos whatsoever, in fact it would be at least a year since I was in there.

Post by **Amida** » April 16, 2008, 12:10 pm

As far I see it, its just all about what you are willing to pay for a cup as well what you expect to get for that amount.

Bon Cafe coffee turns out to cost aprox. 11 Baht a cup and 15 Baht a cup all in.
Illy cafe cost 15 Baht per cup and all in would be 22 Baht

All in is including, Machine write off, electricity, other related cost.
the main issue comes where the owner of a particular restaurant, Bar or pub wants to make his earnings.

Prices set to be high or increased during the last few months could have various reasons and don't have anything to do with ripping off people.

I do agree that for a normal cup of coffee (drip coffee) the price should not be higher then 35 Baht.

For other places who sell Italian coffee (pressurized coffees) Its, very easy, I for one, love a good cup of coffee and pay between the 40 and 90 baht or if its at Starbucks a 120 Baht, but it does not mean i cannot enjoy a cup of coffee at 30 Baht.

The environment where you drink your coffee and the facilities give extra value also in my opinion.

maybe we can list some venues and their prices.

The price of a cup of coffee in Udon

coffee cost