Smoking or not in Restaurants

Post by **wokkawombat** » January 26, 2007, 1:44 pm

The residue from burning tobacco contains many toxic chemicals and gasses including carbon monoxide. If you are near me and smoking I am subjected to this residue.

The residue from me drinking beer is urine.

It then stands to reason if you come and smoke near me while I am drinking beer in a bar or restaurant I should return the favour and spray you with the residue from my beer. Sounds fair to me.

John

Post by **jetdoc** » January 26, 2007, 4:50 pm

Wow!! All I said was I drank up and moved on. I like the beers they have on tap, the food and atmosphere. When I drop in if it is to smoky I'll just have a beer and move on to eat. Very simple vote with your feet. At the end of the day the Clock will not even notice my baht or lack thereof in their bottom line, since I'm little lazy and don't go out that often.

John's thought has merit, but maybe we should hose the smokes John just the smokes;o)

Post by **arjay** » January 26, 2007, 4:55 pm

Doc wrote:So, whilst the number of individuals on this forum opposed to smoking in restaurants out number the smokers, reality tells us that the actual smoking group which is frequenting the bars and restaurants and making them financially viable enterprises greatly out number the non smokers on this forum.

I think nicotine must also have a strong hallucinagenic affect, when it comes to following Doc's distorted and misrepresented logic.

If I may suggest an amendment to Doc's quote, it should read:

So, whilst the number of individuals on this forum opposed to smoking in restaurants out number the smokers, = REALITY.

Followed by:

IN MY CLOUDED AND HALLUCINATED PERCEPTION (as determined from within my own cloud of extremely dense smoke) causes me to believe that the actual smoking group which is frequenting the bars and restaurants and making them financially viable enterprises greatly out number the non smokers on this forum.

Really, what logic did you use to arrive at that conclusion? I would suggest that is your own clouded perception!

Maybe it should read:

....the actual smoking group which is frequenting the bars and restaurants AND IS MOST PROBABLY DRIVING OUT THE POTENTIALLY MUCH LARGER NON-SMOKING GROUP WHICH COULD MAKE MANY OF THE VENUES EVEN MORE FINANCIALLY VIABLE perceive themselves to greatly out number the non smokers on this forum....

Doc wrote:As a result it is reasonable to conclude that the smoking segment of Udon Thani is more powerful than the non smoking segment.

I think that speaks for itself!

Maybe you mean, more vocal, more vociferous and more belligerent??!!

Post by **beer monkey** » January 26, 2007, 5:30 pm

So, whilst the number of individuals on this forum opposed to smoking in restaurants out number the smokers

remember some smokers voted for the "No smoking in restuarants".
me for one, and was for smoking in "bars" (a drinking den/pub)

Great topic ...well done jetdoc...just think if you had'nt gone out that night....

Post by **Bump** » January 26, 2007, 6:41 pm

Doc wrote:
As a result it is reasonable to conclude that the smoking segment of Udon Thani is more powerful than the non smoking segment.
I think that speaks for itself!

Maybe you mean, more vocal, more vociferous and more belligerent??!!

You sure your not doing the same thing.

There are few subjects where emotions seem to run high and this certainly seems tp be one.

Post by **Coot** » January 26, 2007, 9:10 pm

Nothing like someone spewing toxic chemicals on your food to stir up the emotions.

Post by **fatbas***d** » January 27, 2007, 7:52 am

I have to admit to my shame, I am a smoker but that just labels me as stupid. not ignorant. If I feel the need, I go outside, I would never ever smoke in an enclosed area, particularly if it is an area where food is consumed. There is no possible reason why non smokers should have to endure the exhaust of others, wether its farting or smoking.

If I go into a pub/restauarant where smokers are indulging I just walk out again. I have done this at Steves, Ozzie pub (which always smells like a ashtray) and the Irish.

I cannot understand why rest/pub owners allow it under their control, they must lose more business than they gain, as well its just against the law.

Smokers, don't rationalise, those that indulge in the habit in the close company of others are merely ignorant peasants.

Post by **BKKSTAN** » January 27, 2007, 9:33 am

Smokers, don't rationalise, those that indulge in the habit in the close company of others are merely ignorant peasants.

Some are merely selfish and self serving,wouldn't consider stepping outside for the smoke,''piss on them'' attitude!

valentine · Post by **valentine** » January 27, 2007, 9:44 am

BKKSTAN wrote:
Smokers, don't rationalise, those that indulge in the habit in the close company of others are merely ignorant peasants.

Some are merely selfish and self serving,wouldn't consider stepping outside for the smoke,''piss on them'' attitude!

Reading through all this forum again it is apparent that the 'majority attitude of smokers is "Piss off' maybe a defensive reply but certainly not in anyway a compromising one. Whereas the non-smokers have shown a very less agressive stance of saying" I'll just take my business elsewhere.Maybe we have discovered another connection with the nicotine poison. That of altered personality.

Post by **arjay** » January 27, 2007, 9:52 am

Val, some, not all!

Post by **panick** » January 27, 2007, 10:07 am

OK
F.Bstd and I seem to be a minority here

Its a shame that the rest of the smokers have to carry on as if its a "God given Right" to have a bad habit that can inflict illness and displeasure to non smokers in an enclosed area?
Come on smokers we are slowly becoming a minority in this age.....so is it that hard to step outside for 5mins for that cigarette?

Post by **Artfullmover** » January 27, 2007, 10:08 am

I live in Perth Australia. They changed the laws some time ago about smoking in the PUB. Being a smoker I didnt like the idea so I stopped going. Been back a few time since and now think its the best thing they ever did. Nice clean air inside, the beer smells better and I smoke less. I go outside to smoke and enjoy it more, probally due to the fact I havent just lit it up subconsciecly as you do a times while drinking at the bar.

Another point is that people tend to socialize more as you would probally have a chat with another smoker outside who normally
you would not even say g'day to if they were standing down the other end of the bar.

To ban all smoking in indoor areas, Has my vote

Post by **BKKSTAN** » January 27, 2007, 10:46 am

artfullmover shared a great experience that maybe some of the smokers might consider !It doesn't necessarily have to be a negative experience to not be able to smoke indoors

valentine · Post by **valentine** » January 27, 2007, 11:13 am

arjay wrote:Val, some, not all!

Sorry Arjay. I wasn't aware my posting said or implied all. But of course like most things in life , it was a generalisation.
It is interesting to note, despite some posters ridicule of the poll results, they have maintained a steady 3-1 ratio against smoking in food establishments throughout this discussion.

Post by **Bump** » January 27, 2007, 3:41 pm

Val I have to disagree with you I have made it very clear that I'm more then happy to step outside, a matter of car when it comes to resturants I do so wihtout being asked. As to bars don't go there so doesn't effect me. Even the most ardent objector stated if he was asked in a curious manner that he would be happy to do so also.

So have I misread something? To me that does compromise and your certianly going to come a lot closer to smoke free room this way then waiting for this Thai law to be enforced. Is every smoker going to be a good nieghbor and comply with your needs I seriously doubt it. But then again even non smokers can be uncooperative.

You know I've said all I could possible say about the act of smoking. What I do see here is a refusal in some cases on both sides a fence a refusal to communicate, on both sides of the fence.

You know this really isn't rocket science it is simple matter of one person asking another in a respectful manner to please not smoke around him. The other person to comply with a reasonable request. Not a hard thing to do.

Now you can jump up and down all day long that it is against the law, but it is going somtime before that law is truly enforced in Thailand if ever.

To me this is not about who is right or wrong in this, but some how that is what this thread and the other reflects. But common courtesy to one another. Now if I was still drinking I really wouldn't want to hang out in a bar, where the patrons couldn't treat each with respect and courtesy, smoking or non smoking. Just doesn't seem like a fun atmosphire to me.

Post by **BobHelm** » January 27, 2007, 3:49 pm

Well said Ray

Post by **Galee** » January 27, 2007, 4:36 pm

I think we should all remember we are talking about a guys livelyhood here.
If I owned a bar/resturant I would allow a policy that would maximise profits.
Maybe non-smokers should allow the bar/resturant owners a bit of slack. The difference between allowing smoking and banning it could well be the difference that means he's operating at a loss and has to close down.

valentine · Post by **valentine** » January 27, 2007, 5:01 pm

Its all a question of priorities I suppose. As a non smoker why should the onus be on me to point out the results of another's anti social behaviour? The likelihood is if he can;t see it himself then he wouldn't understand what I'm on about.I am not at all concerned whether a farang bar owner is making a profit or not. That should have been his consideration when he decided to make the investment. Its not a new law you know?
As I make a point in my life of avoiding confrontational situations, I would rather walk away than complain. That's what I have done in the past and will do on this forum. There doesn't seem to be much more constructive to be said, and as you rightly point out the wall has been built.

Post by **Coot** » January 27, 2007, 6:58 pm

Galee wrote: could well be the difference that means he's operating at a loss and has to close down

Udon bars close down and re open on a very regular basis now with smoking currently permitted in them.Does that not say anything about the economics of catering to smokers?If catering to them was a very good policy then all these bars would not continually go bust.

Post by **fatbas***d** » January 27, 2007, 7:30 pm

Ray, Well put, but I don't think the onus should be to ask someone if they would desist from what amounts to very anti social behaviour.

Moving on, last week I travelled back from Australia, there was a pleasant old geezer on the plane, all dressed up for the trip in his pinstripe suit. He voluteered the information that he was 93 Years old (to be honest he looked older but maybe the lack of teeth helped to age him)
On the stopover he was getting a bit agitated in the que to get in the terminal, I made room for him and said the toilets are over that way.
He replied, never mind the toilets, where is the smoking room?

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