Is Obama a Farang?

[cookie]

Antoin "Tony" Rezko has been a money source for both the governor and Mr. Obama.

Mr. Rezko has an address in federal prison already. Link to some Rezko Info

Very interesting how now, all of a sudden, the media can piece things together.

here we go again: more SMEAR, more CONSPIRACY theories ?????



Obama Unfairly Tainted by Crimes He Didn't Commit

We've seen this before: specious attempts to connect Barack Obama with corrupt or controversial figures in Chicago, followed, then, by a Republican and establishment media outcry for the president-elect to denounce and reject them. It appears as if in this post-Bushie universe, the president-elect doesn't have to be involved in corruption in order to be pegged as corrupt. Indeed, he can be entirely and vigorously declared to be absolutely corruption-free and still be tagged with the red letter "T" for "taint." This is what we can expect for the next four years. The crazy has only just begun.

I'm pretty sure you can tie Obama to the first Daley administration and its attendant corruption. Also, wasn't Obama somehow connected to Chicago crime boss Al Capone? And are you going to tell me that Chicago-based Obama was never involved in milking Mrs. O'Leary's arsonist cow?

We just can't be sure, can we? To be on the safe side, perhaps the president-elect ought to denounce and reject the cow anyway. Forcefully. Several times. While he's at it, how about rejecting Principal Rooney from the Chicago-based movie Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Breaking and entering the Bueller household through the dog door? I mean, come on, Mr. President-elect! That's not only a felony but also an egregious abuse of high school administrative power, sir, and you must denounce it.

It began yesterday with the RNC demanding to know the full extent of the president-elect's relationship with Blagojevich even though Patrick Fitzgerald was perfectly clear about the relationship when he said on national television that the president-elect had nothing to do with any of it. But to suggest that the former junior senator from Illinois never communicated with the governor of Illinois is ridiculous on its face -- of course there was the usual level of professional communication there, though it entirely fails to prove or even implicate any corruption on the part of Barack Obama. Then again, since when does reality matter?

Meanwhile, the Politico and numerous other news organizations have been attempting to make this the first "scandal" of the Obama presidency as if Blagojevich is somehow a member of the transition or an appointee to the future administration. The truth is Obama never endorsed Blagojevich and Blagojevich never endorsed Obama. Unless you consider Blagojevich's obnoxious "---- him" remark to be an endorsement, that is.

Sean Hannity last night played the preemptive Minority Report card by suggesting that the president-elect could, some day in the future, become involved with the Blagojevich pay-or-play scam. In the future, Hannity said from the cockpit of his time-traveling DeLorean, Obama might grant favors to Blagojevich. And then he'll be doomed! Sometime in the future. Maybe.

On the clearly "liberal" MSNBC, daytime anchors went from not being able to pronounce the Illinois governor's name yesterday to repeatedly suggesting this morning that the president-elect wasn't forceful enough in his initial denouncement. Odd, considering this was exactly what RNC chairman Mike Duncan said in his statement.

Speaking of MSNBC, the word of the day in the establishment press? "Taint." To wit, my inner Beavis & Butthead giggled at this actual on-air MSNBC exchange:

NORAH O'DONNELL: Can Obama avoid being tainted by all of this?

CHUCK TODD: It depends on your definition of taint.

Huh-huh. Seriously, the only taint here is the taint that's being forced upon the president-elect by, well, all of the aforementioned taint... mongers? Taint merchants?

Nevertheless, as I write this, the president-elect has released a new statement calling for the governor to resign. This of course begs the establishment press topic for the rest of the day: Was Obama's statement calling for the governor's resignation strong enough? Should Obama release a third statement demanding that Blagojevich be launched into space inside of a creepy Phantom Zone square like the one from Superman II?

Really, is there anything the President-elect can do to satisfy these people?

Let's check the recent historical record. When former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay was accused of ethics violations and money laundering, and then was indicted on charges of conspiring to commit campaign finance fraud and consequently resigned from Congress in disgrace, President Bush publicly denounced and rejected DeLay -- a fellow Texan.

Oh. Wait. President Bush didn't denounce DeLay at all. In fact...

Bush Expresses a Belief in DeLay's Innocence
New York Times

President Bush Shows Support to Embattled DeLay
The News Hour

President Says DeLay Is Not Guilty of Money Laundering
The Washington Post

Bush Declares DeLay Innocent
The Washington Post

Lott urges Bush to give DeLay 'aggressive support'
The Washington Times

Bush to Give DeLay a Lift to Show Support
The Los Angeles Times

Read that last headline again. Not only did President Bush not denounce and reject the corrupt Republican leader, but DeLay was literally rewarded with a free ride aboard Air Force One. Both men wantonly tainting each other aboard the presidential aircraft.

Contrastingly, Obama can't even live in the same state as Blagojevich without having to emphatically denounce the governor's crimes and stupidity. And even when he denounces and rejects Blagojevich, he's still defined as tainted.

The double standard confounds reason. Once again, Digby's prescient use of the phrase "intellectual violence" applies here: the shameless ability of the far-right and certain members of the establishment press to violently ignore reality and embrace dishonesty and hypocrisy at a level far beyond that of normal silly-season discourse. A while back, for example, I wrote that it was only a matter of time before the far-right attacked the president-elect for taking a vacation, even though President Bush set a White House record for vacations. And sure enough, it happened.

It appears as if in this post-Bushie universe, the president-elect doesn't have to be involved in corruption in order to be pegged as corrupt. Indeed, he can be entirely and vigorously declared corruption-free and still be tagged with a scarlet letter "T" (for "taint"). This is what we can expect for the next four years. The crazy has only just begun.

[aznyron]

well it look like Jesse Jackson son Junior is looking for BHO Senate seat. what dumb A/H that Gov. is trying to sell a vacant U.S. Senate seat to the highest bitter and he got stung

[WBU ALUM]

well it look like Jesse Jackson son Junior is looking for BHO Senate seat. what dumb A/H that Gov. is trying to sell a vacant U.S. Senate seat to the highest bitter and he got stung

From the indications from the indictment, it appears that there were many "players" in this scheme and at least five potential candidates for the seat. One federal prosecutor said it was the worst example of political corruption he has ever seen. It will be interesting to see if it's worse enough to have grand juries, a special prosecutor and Congressional hearings take place over this. If not, I will wonder why not?

[farang]

Farang for your infomation and other's who think im this so called Mighty Chang bloke you are gravely mistaken. I have just searched his former posts and i hope to the dear gods you don't think im him do you ? im just a normal bloke who moved to udon thani 4 months ago sorry if i stired up unnecessary confusion

blah blah blah Mighty Chang

[izzix]

Court Won't Hear Obama Citizenship Case — but May Soon
Written by Kurt Williamsen
Wednesday, 10 December 2008 00:50



Obama
On Monday, December 8, the Supreme Court unsurprisingly decided not to hear a case by retired lawyer Leo Donofrio claiming that Obama is not eligible to be president because Obama had dual nationality at birth, so he wasn't a natural born citizen as required under the Constitution to be president. The dismissal should have come as no surprise to anyone — not because, as major-media mouthpieces trumpet, that the case has no merit — because it was clearly evident that Donofrio would either be viewed by the court to not be a plaintiff in good standing or his claim would be found without merit because any child born in the United States, as Donofrio's case assumes to be true for Obama, is considered a natural born citizen — as millions of illegal immigrants who have had children in the United States can attest.

This case was doomed from the beginning because the Supreme Court was sure to agree with multiple findings by lower courts that an average citizen cannot contest a president's eligibility to be president; only those people who are legally "injured" by a presidential aspirant's candidacy — either monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — may sue. The fact that such findings by the lower courts are absurd because the U.S. Constitution is a contract between the government and the people and contract law stipulates that any party to a contract has the right to enforce a contract was not going to be a reason for the Supreme Court to hear arguments in the Donofrio case.

Neither was the fact that the Constitution itself declares that the only issue to be determined by a federal court for a case to proceed is the case's constitutionality — not a plaintiff's standing — going to stop the Supreme Court from throwing out this case. (For an analysis of the constitutionally correct application of law in this case, see the article by constitutional law scholar Edwin Vieira, entitled "Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down.")

Similar to Donofrio's case, a case by lifelong Democrat Philip Berg that is pending before the Supreme Court is likely to face a quick death for lack of standing, though Berg is arguing that Obama was not born in the United States and, even if he was born here, his mother evidently renounced Obama's citizenship when she moved to Indonesia. During the four years Obama was enrolled in school in Indonesia, enrollment required both citizenship and a renunciation of citizenship in other countries.

At the present time, only one case about Obama's citizenship has a better than a one-in-a-million chance of making headway (only slightly better, in my opinion, because judges regularly find "legal justification" for ignoring the law, even the Constitution). That is the case filed by Alan Keyes, a 2008 presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector. These men definitely have legal standing to sue. And despite protests to the contrary by many, good reason to sue.

The best reason to sue is to uphold the Constitution as the law of the land; the second-best reason is because Obama is hiding something. One doesn't, as Obama has reputedly done, hire three law firms to keep one's birth records and college records sealed unless one has something to hide. (It is speculated that Obama's college records will show that he applied for aid to foreign students.) Like I've said in another article on this topic, I have had on several occasions been required by employers to furnish original birth certificates and college records before they would hire me. To most people, such a request is simply no big deal. There's something wrong here.

Many in the major media, and even some moderately conservative news organs such as NewsMax, have verbally skewered lawsuits to verify Obama's citizenship, claiming that they know Obama is a U.S. citizen because Obama has posted his birth certificate online, an announcement of Obama's birth was in a Hawaiian newspaper, and members of Hawaii's health department have stated that Obama has an original birth certificate on file there. To say the least, I want these guys as my investigators if I ever pull a criminal caper. In truth, Obama did not post a birth certificate online, but a certificate of live birth (a document that would not even meet the standards of the average geneology society as proof of citizenship); the birth announcement merely said that the Obama's had a son (no hospital or place of birth was listed); and in Hawaii, parents of children residing in Hawaii may submit alternate birth documentation to the Department of Health and still be deemed to have "an original birth certificate."

But besides the lawsuits, there are other ways that Obama's impending swearing-in as president could be upset. First, on December 15, state electors will convene to vote for president (Obama is really not the president-elect yet; he has a couple of steps to go), and if the electors are swamped with voter demands to verify Obama's eligibility as president, they may withhold their electoral ballots until Obama proves he is a citizen. And on January 6, Congress must meet to certify the counts of the states' electoral ballots. At that time, any senator or congressman may challenge the ballots for a good reason. If that happens, the Constitution compels Congress to get to the truth underlying the complaint. Again a letter-writing campaign to Congressman could end in an investigation of Obama's citizenship.

But at least in the short run, Obama's supporters probably will prevail, even though Obama's actions stink with suspicion and the proof given of his citizenship is not proof at all. They will succeed because politicians tend to either be spineless followers or unapologetic dealmakers — at both the state and federal levels (although a writing campaign to constitutional bulldog Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) could yield a positive result), and it is unlikely that congressmen, even if there is a congressional objection, will exert due diligence toward finding out the truth of the matter as they are constitutionally bound to do.

But in the long run, the chances that a federal court will demand that Hawaii allow a forensic inspection of Obama's birth records are better than one might assume. Edwin Vieira explains: "Assume, however, that no inquiry, or only a perfunctory inquiry, or only an obviously tainted inquiry takes place at the stage of counting the Electors' votes. Is the issue then forever foreclosed? Not at all. For a extensive class of litigants who absolutely do have 'standing' to challenge Obama's eligibility will come into existence, and demand relief as a matter of undeniable constitutional right and practical necessity, as soon as Obama's Department of Justice attempts to enforce through criminal prosecutions some of the controversial legislation that the new Congress will enact and Obama will sign — such as statutes aimed at stripping common Americans of the firearms to which (in Obama's derisive terminology) they 'cling.'" So as soon as Obama signs a bill into law that has a negative effect on an American, that American will have standing to sue Obama to find out whether Obama actually has the power to sign the bill. Things could get interesting.

Photo: AP Images

[Pakawala]

Of all the drivel that Izzix has posted, I found this particular piece most worthy of my attention... thanx Izzix.

[747man]

Heard that The White House gardener has already been sacked......Just for asking WHERE IS THE SPADE !!!!

[laphanphon]

Heard that The White House gardener has already been sacked......Just for asking WHERE IS THE SPADE !!!!

whoa, this is way too politically INCORRECT.............................but way too funny

[747man]

Heard that The White House gardener has already been sacked......Just for asking WHERE IS THE SPADE !!!!

whoa, this is way too politically INCORRECT.............................but way too funny

Got LOADS More Politically incorrect jokes,BUT Better NOT Risk a " Mods " ban only been back 2 days,May post them in the Night section at a later date !!!

[hey you]

is obama a farang ? if he was to walk through udon i think to thai eyes he would be khun negro i.e. african ,the farang is european in looks.

[aznyron]

I can this as American we are not farang we are Americans it is my understanding that word derived from the French being here many years a go and it seem to stick on all white faces so calling me a farang is like calling a black man the N. word I hate it I am no frog

[TJ]

This explains the case that Obama is not eligible to serve as U.S president because the law will find him not to be a natural born citizen. This because he was born in Kenya and the facts oflaw. BTW as explained below his sister, who was born in Indonesia, also has a Hawaii birth certificate.

"The issue started with McCain. As far back as last February you can find an article in the New York Times accusing McCain of not being a "natural born citizen". McCain then produced all of his birth records for review by the Senate and after review they declared that under the law McCain was a "natural born citizen". http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/text

At the same time questions were being asked of Obama. The press then like now have a blackout on any topic that may be negative towards him. If you look at the link you will see Obama was present for the vote on McCain. Did Obama take the time to stand up and say,"Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been asked this same question and would like you to review all of my records so that this question can be answered before the election. As a Constitutional attorney I understand the crisis that would result from an ineligible candidate being elected."

Instead Obama produced a worthless piece of paper to websites like factcheck, fighthesmears, and others. The problem is that even if the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth is authentic, it is not evidence in Hawaii of where a child was born. A person cannot get a drivers license of a passport with what Obama produced. Here is what the State of Hawaii says about the difference between a "CERTIFICATION" versus a "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH". The Certification is not good to prove where you are born and requires a person to sign a release and have the State produce a Certificate of Live Birth.
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

So at this point in time no one except for Obama and some of his family really know where he was born. His stubborn refusal to sign a release and pay $12.00 has created a national crisis. And please do not keep saying the State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born in Hawaii. They have not. In a carefully worded release all they have said is that they are holding his original birth certificate, which the State can only release if Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00.

For example, Obama's half sister was born in Indonesia. The laws in Hawaii at the time allowed a Hawaiian citizen to register that birth in Hawaii within one year of the birth. So Obama's parents registered his half-sister’s birth in Hawaii, just like Obama. His sister can produce a Certification of Live Birth that would look almost identical to Obama's. Does that prove she was born in Hawaii? No.

All of the hospitals at the time would send a list of all birth registrations to the local papers to be issued in the local paper.

So why is it important to know where Obama was born? The laws at the time, and that would still apply to Obama, are such that if he was born in a foreign country he would not be a "natural born citizen". That would be due to the fact that his mother was a US citizen, his father a foreign national. Obama's mother would have had to live in the US for five years after the age of 14. She was several months short of that when Obama was born. So until Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00 there is only speculation because the Certification of Live Birth produced by Obama does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.

There are also the questions of whether Obama gave his US citizenship up in Indonesia, how he came to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when it was a no fly zone for US citizens. There is also the question whether Obama registered at colleges as an Indonesian citizen.

So Obama and the DNC have brought this on themselves. This has been an issue since at least last February. Obama and his legal team have sealed all of his records. Three law firms showed up for Obama and the DNC in the Berg case to fight the case on the technical ground that a citizen cannot ask a candidate this question.

There are now upwards of 30 law suits filed around the country, five to the Supreme Court. One filed in California Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096 by Alan Keyes the Independent Party candidate that was on the ballot. As he was on the ballot he will not suffer the technical challenge of lack of standing."

Also read: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huntwork/081212

[Pakawala]

TJ, you and I and a few others on the forum know the truth and are not afraid to state our views on this subject... primarily, if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen of the US, then why would he allow these questions to exist? Why not just show the needed papers and get it over with? To the other forum members who refuse to accept these facts all I can say is, "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

The persisting doubts on this issue should be put to rest BEFORE Obama is actually sworn in - to wait until after will create chaos.

[aznyron]

T.J & Pak you both might as well get use to the idea we have a Democrat who will be living in the W/H who happens to be Black. looking at birth records is nothing more than biased B/S trying every thing to block this man from becoming President. the same people who believe that are the same people who believe those planes took down the WTC so I apply your statement that if you believe the planes took the WTC down than your blind to the truth also. just on a note how much more proof do you need other than a birth citificate with a valid stamp from the State of hawaii. We have Alan Keyes a Black Republican filing suit claiming Obama was not born in the USA is he the token black man to do the job for the bigotry and hatefulness of losing to a black man

[TJ]

Right. BTW if they find that Obama is not natural born, then the Constitution says Joe Biden shall be President until the President thing gets sorted out. The deadline for exposing this unqualified candidate is the time fixed for the beginning of his term. He then assumes powers just short of a God. That would be January 20, 2009.

There are a number of people who due to their offices were responsible for vetting Obama's qualifications. I would think some legal action through the courts could force them to make public their record of qualifying Obama or to admit there is no record.

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who will be living in the W/H who happens to be Black.

No one has ever brought up race regarding Mr. Obama except for Mr. Obama and the Obamanation.

Questioning the birth location of a man, who has had the majority of his personal records sealed and family members who claim to have witnessed his birth in another country, has nothing to do with the color of his skin. For you to insinuate racism and prejudice, when there is no evidence of such, is insulting.

[aznyron]

I really do not want to get in to a debate over racism with you or any one else on the forum I
just want to say is it why they chose Alan Keyes a Black man to file the suit if it was not about racism
as for insulting sorry I say it like it is I don't sugar coat my statements I stand by my post

[aznyron]

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

Oct 31, 2008 HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Health Department Director Dr.
Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin
Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds
Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle,
ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently. She says
state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does
not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US. Earlier Friday, a
southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship.
Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1A ... gD945OLU00

[Pakawala]

You don't seem to understand Ron, or you refuse to 'see'.
Yes, the Hawaii Health Dept. says they, "have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate." It is the wording of this statement that makes folks wonder. Saying that the HHD holds the certificate is NOT the same as saying they verify that Obama's certificate was issued from the HHD.!! They're just verifying that that they hold the certificate. And please explain to me one possible reason why he would not release this certificate for public scrutiny? For a mere $12 he can have it released and put this all behind him!! Don't you think, of the $200 million plus he raised he might be able to spare $12 and satisfy the doubters? Also, what possible reason might he have for not releasing his college/university records? Could it be that he possibly applied for a loan as a foreign student? To win the hearts and minds of the doubters he needs to release these documents. If he won't release them, then he CAN'T BE TRUSTED to run the country!!

Let me put it this way, let's assume you and your wife are not yet married but you want to be. You both go to the Amphur and the folks there say they want to see both your divorce papers from your previous marriages. You gladly submit yours but your future wife refuses to show hers. Instead she suggests that you just go to the local wat and have a Buddhist marriage. Now, she's not saying she's still married to her former husband and she's not saying she isn't. With this vague little bit of paper still in question, would you now trust her? Sounds like you would... I WOULDN'T. (Please understand this is just an example. )

[aznyron]

Pak honestly I don't know why he doesn't put it to rest and release the papers that are being ask for
it would make his life easier and shut those up who questioned it. If the birth citificate is legal and it shows he was born in Hawaii then that should be enough. Now I did see it posted here on udon map
I believe Cookie found the URL and posted it now the question is was that a legal copy I have no idea it look good to me