Is Obama a Farang?

[UdonExpat]

What they need is time to stop laughing!!

[WBU ALUM]

Maybe he could change the law or constitution once he's inaugurated. We wouldn't want Jesse Jackson crying again in the event of the President's deportation.

You have no idea how difficult it is to amend the US Constitution, and believe it or not, the president has not one thing to do with it.

As for Jesse Jackson, he's already pouting and crying privately. His days of playing the race card are just about over since Mr. Obama was elected president. It's kinda difficult now for Jesse to claim that a black man can't get ahead in America when one is president.

[aznyron]

WBU we finally agree on a post

[izzix]

his auntie swears she saw him pop out his head in Kenya

[westerby]

You have no idea how difficult it is to amend the US Constitution, and believe it or not, the president has not one thing to do with it.

Well hasn't he got any Pals to change the Constitution for him? That means we might see an historic (is that good grammar?) first with the United States Commander in Chief being deported to Kenya/Indonesia and the number two, old Whatisname, becoming President (cue Jesse Jackson in floods of tears).

As for Jesse Jackson, he's already pouting and crying privately. His days of playing the race card are just about over since Mr. Obama was elected president. It's kinda difficult now for Jesse to claim that a black man can't get ahead in America when one is president.

Oh, don't worry about him, he can go back to being a Church Minister .

He is a real Reverend isn't he?

[WBU ALUM]

Oh, don't worry about him, he can go back to being a Church Minister .

He is a real Reverend isn't he?

Hard to say. A lot of these guys go to what are called "Bible Colleges", but I wonder just how much studying goes on and for how long. I've suspected for quite some time that it is a lot like "pay your tuition and get your diploma."

All of Jesse's so-called social organizations that are tax-free because of their affiliation with religion (yeah, right) are his primary cash cows. Jesse is more of a race shake-down artist than he is a man of religion. In fact, he even has a radio show in syndication, but in limited markets.

[westerby]

OK, WBU and Ron, I'll just take off my joking face for a second and be serious.

What if Obama's citizenship turns out to be dubious?

What will be the consequences for the American people?

Will it isolate the Black American population?

Are there people in the US who have the will to pursue this avenue of investigation?

[aznyron]

west to answer your question the best way I know how is it over all the B/S about him is over
on Jan 20 he will be the President

[westerby]

west to answer your question the best way I know how is it over all the B/S about him is over on Jan 20 he will be the President

As I said last week, judge the man on what he does as President not on his ethnic background. However, he'll need to kill this rumour pretty fast or his enemies will use it against him.

[izzix]

Topic: Barack Obama
Will Joey Biden Be President? THE BARACK OBAMA BIRTH SAGA CONTINUES
When I first started writing on the constitutional eligibility of both Barack Obama and John McCain after the conventions, I thought the issue would be quickly silenced. Forgive my chuckling and a cheer as the forces of the Constitution continue their valiant charge for that "damn piece of paper."by Jake, the Champion of the Constitution
(Libertarian)
Sunday, December 7, 2008

obamaWASHINGTON, DC, DECEMBER 8 - All eyes from the Democratic National Party, and many others from around the nation will focus for a moment on the National Press Club at 13:30, where the We The People Foundation will hold a press conference. Around 10 AM, the US Supreme Court will announce whether or not they will consider lawsuits concerning Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to be present. Attorneys Philip Berg (PA), Leo Donofrio (NJ), and Orly Taitz (CA) will issue statements summarizing their arguments and path forward following the Court's announcement. There are at least 10 other lawsuits in various stages filed in other states. The attorneys have requested that the Electoral College vote set for December 15 be postponed so that their case can be heard. (Photo link)

The attorneys have agreed to answer questions from the press, although it appears the Supreme Court will not. WTP paid for a scathing full-page open letter ad that ran in Obama's hometown newspaper, the Chicago Tribune, on two days last week. WTP has sent five (5) public open letters in November to President-elect Obama requesting he immediately release his birth certificate for examination by a team of forensic experts. At the top of the WTP website is a great shot contrasting his "birth certificate" with his "birth certification."

The Washington Times published an article December 5 titled "An Imposter in the White House?", complete with a shifty-looking picture of Obama.

The troublesome text from Section 1 of the Constitution is:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I enjoyed reading WTP's letter (cackling in glee is in truth more apt), and have made the point in this column previously that if Obama does not address this, he will consistently be labeled an usurper for his entire reign, a la Bush-Gore 2000, only much worse since he is clearly at fault. Here it is in full:

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Dear Mr. Obama:

Representing thousands of responsible American citizens who have also taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, I am duty bound to call on you to remedy an apparent violation of the Constitution.

Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the "natural born citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance:

* You have posted on the Internet an unsigned, forged and thoroughly discredited, computer-generated birth form created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on any original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother.
* Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii.
* Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya.
* Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya.
* U.S. Law in effect in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age.
* In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

obYou have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President. (Obama photo from bbsrock license source)

Incredibly, the judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President.

Before you can legitimately exercise any of the powers of the President you must meet all the criteria for eligibility established by the Constitution. You are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence. Should you assume the office as anyone but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States who has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national crisis that would undermine the domestic peace and stability of the Nation. For example:

* You would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper.
* As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required "Oath or Affirmation" on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States.
* You would be entitled to no allegiance, obedience or support from the People.
* The Armed Forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you.
* No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, Executive Orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void.
* Your appointments of Judges to the Supreme Court would be void.
* Congress would not be able to pass any needed legislation because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President.
* Congress would be unable to remove you, a usurper, from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.

In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility, I am compelled to serve you with this First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this violation of the Constitution.

With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008.

In addition, I ask that you deliver the following documentary evidence to the National Press Club in Washington DC by 10 am on December 8, 2008, marked for my attention:

* A certified copy of your original, signed "vault" birth certificate.
* Certified copies of your reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
* A certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship.
* A certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity.
* Certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College,
* Columbia University and Harvard Law School.
* Certified copies of any legal documents changing your name.

Each member of the Electoral College, who is committed to casting a vote on December 15, 2008, has a constitutional duty to make certain you are a natural-born citizen. As of today, there is no evidence in the public record (nor have you provided any) that defeats the claim that you are barred by law from assuming the Office of President because you fail the Constitution's eligibility requirements.

All state Electors are now on Notice that unless you provide documentary evidence before December 15, that conclusively establishes your eligibility, they cannot cast a vote for you without committing treason to the Constitution.

"In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Olmstead v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this urgent matter.

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FreeRepublic.com has call-in numbers for all of Hawaii's hospitals, and claims to have called each one and been told by each that Obama was not born there, nor did his mother ever visit. Now, I am certainly not a "right-winger," and Philip Berg, the attorney that started this whole circus, is a politically-active Democrat (until he started this lawsuit, that is!). I would still raise these questions even if it was an individual I liked, but geez, tonight I may have to laugh myself to sleep.

Back to my bold title, which I thought about in September but did not wish to publish since it seemed so far-fetched at the time. If Obama is ruled constitutionally ineligible, it does seems likely Joey Biden will be selected by the Electoral College. Perhaps Obama would be eligible to be his VP. This would be an utter irony since Joey was destroyed early in the Democratic primaries by the lawyers three - Obama, Clinton, and Edwards.

In conclusion, Obama certainly appears as if he is hiding the truth from us; he is on trial for no crime, but to prove his qualification to be President, which is the responsibility of each individual aspiring to this office. His lack of cooperation proves this man will treat the Constitution with the same disrespect as Bush. When Obama opens his mouth to start stating the oath without proving he is eligible, he will be a fraud for the rest of his life in my eyes, edging out George W. Bush for the new all-time record.

For more depth on this issue, I recommend reading my last update "Can Barack Obama Be President? - THE SAGA CONTINUES! (10/29 Update)".

In memory of the deaths on Pearl Harbor Day, the start of the last American war that was legal and just per the Constitution. What an interesting "damn piece of paper"!

Jake, the Champion of the Constitution

www.CampaignForLiberty.com [Reach the Author Here!]

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

As always, unlike the NFL, the author grants full permission to allow any accounts of, rebroadcasts, retransmissions, repostings in part or full of this article to your blog or anywhere else in order to promote the Restoration of our Republic.

Veritas numquam perit. Veritas odit moras. Veritas vincit. Truth never perishes. Truth hates delay. Truth conquers.

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[izzix]

he can stop all the speculation easilly by providing the following documentation cant he >>
he sounds a really dodgy president ,is he related to Nixon somewhere ?
tut tut forged birth certificates !!


* You have posted on the Internet an unsigned, forged and thoroughly discredited, computer-generated birth form created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on any original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother.
* Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii.
* Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya.
* Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya.
* U.S. Law in effect in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age.
* In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

obYou have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President. (Obama photo from bbsrock license source)

[WBU ALUM]

What if Obama's citizenship turns out to be dubious?

If there's a problem with this, his taking office will be a violation of the US Constitution.

What will be the consequences for the American people?

We'll have a president-elect who does not qualify to be president according to the US Constitution.

Will it isolate the Black American population?

They are already isolated, and most of them are isolated socially by de facto segragation and their choice. They isolate themselves politically by voting as a block majority for both black candidates and Democrats (85%+).

Are there people in the US who have the will to pursue this avenue of investigation?

If it's proven to be true, there doesn't need to be any will of the population to pursue it. Those with the will to pursue it have already done so by filing the civil suit and appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is the branch of government to decide the issue, since they decide the constitutionality of all issues.

I will be surprised if they hear the case even though I believe that it is their duty to do so. The Supreme Court decides all constitutional questions and issues. They are the only branch of government with that authority. The issue needs to be settled once and for all.

[TJ]

the law at the time Obama was born was that a birth mother could "transfer" US citizenship at birth even if the father was not a citizen and the child was born outside the US, but only if the mother had lived in the US for at least 5 years after the age of 14. Given that Obama's mother was not 19 at the time of his birth, if Obama was born in Kenya he is not legally eligible to be President.

"Here are some, but not all of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of Obama and the question of his eligibility:

• The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship (after all, Grandma Sarah continues to claim she was in the delivery room);

• The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as an adopted child of an Indonesian citizen, and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain his American citizenship (a foreign adoption will do that to your children -- be careful who you marry ladies);

• The allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen (comprehensive and irrefutable evidence of this counterfeit document will be on this page within the next few days);

• The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president (Obama admits on his own website that he was a Kenyan citizen at birth -- this AUDIO is just in -- the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States says that "it is already well known" that Obama was born in Kenya (start listening at 12:00 minutes into audio) );

• The allegations that Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth (Hawaii's laws allows an amended birth certificate be filed by the parents of children born in a foreign country, so Obama could have been born anywhere and still have an amended Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii.);

• The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public (not to mention that there are reports naming two different hospitals where Obama was born.);

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama’s mother married an Indonesian citizen, who adopted her son, and moved the family to Indonesia, the suit claims she forfeited both her and Barack’s American citizenship."

Semms hard to believe the media has kept silent, but supposedly: Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this can't be an accident.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Law practice client list -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
University of Chicago syllabuses -- None
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None


The Obama File -- Latest News http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

[aznyron]

well well all you street corner lawyers you all should spend as much time investigating the horror of 9-11
that what I am concerned about not some B/S story just to create problems fact one is he will be sworn in on Jan 20 2009 fact two he will serve out his 4 year term fact three he will get elected for another four years any one want to put a wager on it see me in Jan N/M get together and bring money

[madpsyontist]

Supreme Court rejects Obama citizenship case

By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 12/8/08 11:29 AM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16300.html

President-elect Barack Obama at a news conference in Chicago, Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008.
The court turned down a long-shot appeal from a New Jersey man claiming Obama could not serve as president because he had dual nationality at birth.
Photo: AP

The Supreme Court rejected an attempt Monday to declare Barack Obama ineligible to be president.

The court turned down a long-shot emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who claimed that Obama could not serve as president because he had dual nationality at birth. Since his mother was an American and his Kenyan father was a British subject, he failed to meet the constitutional standard of being a “natural born citizen,” argued Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., in his appeal.

The court denied the request without providing an explanation, which is common practice.

Donofrio’s suit was one of a few around the country seeking to nullify the election, but his had a noteworthy case history: It was referred to the high court by Justice Clarence Thomas, the court’s only African American.

The suit filed against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells contested Obama’s claims to citizenship and therefore to the presidency and initially sought to stay the election. Alan Keyes, who was defeated by Obama in a race for the U.S. Senate in 2004, has filed a similar suit.

During the campaign, a copy of Obama’s birth certificate was posted on his website, showing that he was born in Hawaii. A petition to stop the Electoral College from confirming Obama as the next president has been rejected by Justice David Souter.

There was no immediate comment from Obama’s transition team.

[WBU ALUM]

well well all you street corner lawyers you all should spend as much time investigating the horror of 9-11
that what I am concerned about not some B/S story just to create problems

I would think that a man who claims to be so concerned about the working class and the poor would also be concerned about every citizen having their day in court and to petition the court under the US Constitution. Are your views and laws just for those with whom you agree? Personally, I don't know enough about the case to feel strongly either way, but I respect the rights of all citizens and the US Constitution.

I also find it comical that you treat the 9-11 conspiracy with all serious passion and vigor, yet you don't have the same passion regarding an alleged conspiracy that goes against your political biases. Is only one political faction capable of conspiracy?

[UdonExpat]

The people who disagree with the majority are slowly having the straws they've been grasping at taken away. Perhaps they will come to Thailand where everyone loves straws. Long live the underdogs, as they provide fodder for our inane blogging.

FOX NEWS: WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.

Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth -- his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject -- he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.

Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed.

Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit. Federal courts in Ohio and Washington state have rejected similar lawsuits.

Allegations raised on the Internet say the birth certificate, showing that Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, is a fake.

But state officials in Hawaii say they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document.

In addition, Factcheck.org reproduced an announcement of Obama's birth, including his parents' address in Honolulu, that was published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961.

[aznyron]

-WBU every crack pot wanting to cause a problem because his candidate lost or is it because BHO is black
you talk of citizens getting there day in court what happened in 2000 when the Supreme court over ruled the FL supreme court to stop the vote count you talk about me it you who want it both ways when it in your belief and as for 9-11 more than 3000 people were murdered that day which of course brought on two wars were we lost additional 3000 + American Military also untold amount of Iraq citizens as well as Afghan citizens I guess that not important to you I also guess it OK for Rep. President to answer question
with out taking the Oath but WJC had to take it over some B/S sexual assault suit which was out dated and only brought up for political gain by your Republican party and did nothing for 6 years of WJC other than investigate him and they found NOTHING the best they could come up with was a dress with his semen
on it WOW we spent more money investigating WJC than we did on the 9-11 investigation and that
FACT not FICTION I guess getting WJC was more important to the Republican party than the horror of 9-11

[WBU ALUM]

you talk of citizens getting there day in court what happened in 2000 when the Supreme court over ruled the FL supreme court to stop the vote count

It's the same Supreme Court, Ron. The same nine people made that decision as made this one regarding Mr. Obama. And you know what? The vote counting continued anyway. There were at least two or three groups who continued. The media financed one of them. Bush still won all of those recounts long after the election was over.

with out taking the Oath but WJC had to take it over some B/S sexual assault suit which was out dated and only brought up for political gain by your Republican party and did nothing for 6 years of WJC other than investigate him and they found NOTHING the best they could come up with was a dress with his semen

I'm not a Republican, Ron. I'm a Traditional American.

Actually, citizens found that Mr. Clinton had sexually harassed an employee of Arkansas while he was governor (he requested some sexual gratification) and then lied about it. Mr. Clinton's actions of perjury were enough to have him disbarred from practicing law. Mr. Clinton also settled the suit out of court with a very large monetary amount that was undisclosed at the time. I'm wondering why someone innocent would pay so much money.

I wouldn't call all of that BS.

[cookie]

All this BS of the Birth Certificate from Obama was just part of the Republican SMEAR tactics.
This was an effort to discredit a Presidential candidate.
When none of the other tactics, (a friend terrorist, Rev. Wright,...) worked,
this birth certificate lawsuit came up.

Look,

Obama was a STATE SENATOR. You think they wouldn't have done a background check on him long ago?

He also had to get security clearance to be on the Foreign Relations committee and would need a security clearance for that!