kiwi girl dies of food poisoning

[21again]

it is a good question ajay. there are a number of toxic trees in thailand, some deadly, so I have been looking into that..whether it is berries, or scent from the flowers sucked into the air con, or some such thing..

We had low and comfortable temperatures on Feb. 2 and 3 (the time when the victim contracted whatever they got) and they may have had the windows open. Again, that is another reason I would like to interview the two surviving girls.

I have to say this is the best entertainment i have had in a long time. Its better than any detective comedy i have ever seen on t.v.
If its not the tree with berries on could it be TRIFFIDS, no not the chocolate variety, them damn big plants that walk, kill you and eat you.
iT COULD BE THE TEMPERATURE, especially if they left the window open, if thats the case half of Thailand would be dead.55555,
I think you two, maaka and kangaroo bob alias Starsky and Hutch, are on a wind up.

[Galee]

iT COULD BE THE TEMPERATURE, especially if they left the window open, if thats the case half of Thailand would be dead.55555,
I think you two, maaka and kangaroo bob alias Starsky and Hutch, are on a wind up.

What a sad individual you are Scorpiopower. People have died here and all you can do is make fun off it.

[arjay]

Yes, "SP again", take your jokes to a more suitable thread.

I don't doubt that the cause of death could be a surprise to us all, not least the BIB.

I recollect a similar unusual death of a farang girl in Phi Phi a year or two back.

[21again]

iT COULD BE THE TEMPERATURE, especially if they left the window open, if thats the case half of Thailand would be dead.55555,
I think you two, maaka and kangaroo bob alias Starsky and Hutch, are on a wind up.

What a sad individual you are Scorpiopower. People have died here and all you can do is make fun off it.

Galee

Yes Galee people have died, i am in no way making fun of them, i am making fun out of the ridiculous crime busting sleuths on here who are not qualified to investigate.

Yes, SP again, take your jokes to a more suitable thread. I don't doubt that the cause of death could be a surprise to us all, not least the BIB.

Trust me i am not SP as you claim.But i will comment when bizzy bodies stick their nose into something which is not their business. Could be very upsetting for the families involved.

[wazza]

Perhaps a class assignment at Don Brosco might sort out the skeptics and the realities.

[jackspratt]

I have to say this is the best entertainment i have had in a long time. Its better than any detective comedy i have ever seen on t.v.

21, from what I have read recently, you are easily entertained, as amply demonstrated by your contributions on another forum.

I can't help but notice how your postings here (but you are not alone in this respect) seem to lift in terms of literacy, but not intellect, when you deign to post here.

I can only speculate that UM does not provide enough choice in smilies to stimulate you sufficiently.

[21again]

I have to say this is the best entertainment i have had in a long time. Its better than any detective comedy i have ever seen on t.v.

21, from what I have read recently, you are easily entertained, as amply demonstrated by your contributions on another forum.

I can't help but notice how your postings here (but you are not alone in this respect) seem to lift in terms of literacy, but not intellect, when you deign to post here.

I can only speculate that UM does not provide enough choice in smilies to stimulate you sufficiently.

The problem with UM jack is that they are several posters who deem themselves to be the gods of the forum. What they say is always correct,they do not want anybody to be objectionable ,if a poster puts a different theory or suggestion forward which is different to theirs they are put down, sometimes insultingly, just as you have done above. If a poster is ACTUALLY correct on a topic he/she is told they are mistaken or misinformed.

[maaka]

everyone is allowed their opinion on here..thats what forums are about
if someone thinks my ( and BB's ) efforts are a joke, thats their problem not mine..
if someone wants to judge me without even knowing me, no problem..

I am not going to outline my expertise and skills on here
but I wouldnt be involved in this case if I didnt think I could be of assistance.
also I have learned over the years when it comes to criminal matters, such as this case, that no stone can be left unturned.
if that means considering toxic trees, gas, food, trade competition, then so be it..
no matter how laughable it may seem, does not put me off.
there is a link in this case between the deceased parties..finding that link means considering everything until only one cause remains..

Personally, I am not convinced yet that food poisoning is the cause, not when the three rooms are so close together, and the girls ate different meals.

Furthermore, I am very well aware of the families feelings at this time.It is my top consideration.. I / we have not approached them, but my number has been forwarded to them via a third party, with the offer of having an experienced westerner on the ground in Chiang Mai to keep them up to date with matters..

Indeed, family members were not at the police press conference yesterday, but our man Hutch was, after I was asked to get him down there, so he could ask some questions of the thai police..those questions have opened a door that was not previously considered, and which may advance things further..

Hutch and I may not come up with anything, maybe we will, maybe just poking around will get someone who knows something a little nervous, and cough up..and a result will come of it for the families..

[jai yen yen]

I think it is very good some people are trying to help find out what happened here. We all need to know what is going on and unfortunately quite often the Thais will sweep things under the carpet for a quick and easy fix to a problem and that is not a good thing. The answers to this situation could save someones life.

[maaka]

Wazza, I said I would come back when I had the medical term for swelling of the heart, which some of these poor people died of..its Myocarditis

[Instowman]

According to the New Zealand papers and television 5 people have died, not 4 as previously thought see:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/ar ... d=10711193

[wazza]

Myocarditis in a simple sentence is inflamation of the heart muscle ( myocardium ) this would cause pump failure and pulmonary oedema

So what caused the inflamation of the heart muscle ?

[wazza]

Suprise suprise

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/myocar ... ION=causes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myocarditis

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Myocarditis.htm

Chagas' disease. This is an infection caused by a protozoan called Trypanosoma cruzi. You can catch this infection from an insect bite in certain tropical countries. World-wide, this is a common cause of myocarditis (but is rare in the UK). With this infection a form of myocarditis develops many years after the initial infection. This leads to a gradual destruction of heart tissue which can cause severe heart failure.

Lyme disease. This is an infection caused by a bacterium called Borrelia burgdorferi. You can catch this infection by a bite from an infected tick.

[BarnicaleBob]

Suprise suprise

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/myocar ... ION=causes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myocarditis

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Myocarditis.htm

Chagas' disease. This is an infection caused by a protozoan called Trypanosoma cruzi. You can catch this infection from an insect bite in certain tropical countries. World-wide, this is a common cause of myocarditis (but is rare in the UK). With this infection a form of myocarditis develops many years after the initial infection. This leads to a gradual destruction of heart tissue which can cause severe heart failure.

Lyme disease. This is an infection caused by a bacterium called Borrelia burgdorferi. You can catch this infection by a bite from an infected tick.

Wazza, you have contributed a lot of valuable information, not just in you last post but all the others as well and we are lucky to have your input.
Before I retired I was a criminal investigator, we used to put our heads together at our morning briefings and shoot theories back and forth no matter how outlandish so as to stimulate our investigations. Being alone now and a bit rusty, I have found that this forum is serving that same stimulation. Sooner or later we will hit on the cause of the illness that kills and hopefully be able to eliminate it before it kills again. This is a team effort and you all are part of that team. Thank you everyone for your constructive input.

[maaka]

Bob, just something you should see, google ' tourists die in Phi Phi ' to see a similar story..

[maaka]

the latest from news sources is a Thai doctor has met with NZ Embassy staff to confirm the test results taken, show that the kiwi girl died of Echovirus, a deadly viral disease, caught from living in dirty and poor conditions..

tongue in cheek on this snippet of news

[wazza]

Interesting .

So what of the other 3 persons deceased at the same premises ?

Im also presuming that the DR also confirmed the same virus with the 2 survivors ?



Definition
Enteric cytopathic human orphan (ECHO) viruses are a group of viruses that usually take the form of gastrointestinal infection and skin rashes.

Alternative Names
Nonpolio enterovirus infection

Causes, incidence, and risk factors
ECHO virus infections are common.

Serious infections with ECHO viruses are less common, but can be significant. As many as one out of five cases of the brain infection aseptic meningitis is thought to be caused by an ECHO virus.

Symptoms
ECHO viruses cause a wide variety of conditions. Symptoms depend on the type of disease:

Aseptic meningitis
Croup
Encephalitis
Mouth sores (herpangina)
Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Pneumonia
Skin rashes
Upper respiratory infection
Viral pharyngitisSigns and tests
ECHO virus can be identified from:

Rectal culture
Spinal fluid culture
Stool culture
Throat culture
Treatment
ECHO virus infections tend to clear up on their own. No specific antiviral medications are available.

An immune booster called IVIG may help patients with severe ECHO virus infections who have a compromised immune system.

Expectations (prognosis)
Complete recovery without treatment is expected in patients who have the less severe types of illness. Infections of organs such as the heart (pericarditis and myocarditis) may cause severe disease and can be fatal.


Complications
Complications vary with the site and type of infection. Myocarditis and pericarditis may be fatal while other types of infection improve on their own.

Calling your health care provider


Read more: http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/e ... z1GXJJeUO9
Healthline.com - Connect to Better Health

[BarnicaleBob]

I have to disagree with the Thai doctor that is saying it was an echo virus. I am not a medically trained person but from what have read about the echo virus it mostly attacks males and infants and in adults has less than a 5% death rate. We have 7 victims, all but one female, with a 71% death rate. Also, when echo virus strikes it is very contagious, so why have there not been more cases?
I think the Thai doctor is just saying echo virus because he really has no idea what brought on the cause of death. I am still trying to locate and interview more witnesses/victims and I will keep looking for more evidence.

[Zidane]

This ECHO virus theory by the Thai doctor really proves nothing.
As wazza says what about the other 3 deceased and the 2 survivors at the same hotel ??
For me it seems obvious that the answer lies/lay in the rooms which were adjoining and below and where all the fatalities and sickness occured.....but the Thais refer to this as "co-incidence."

[wazza]

Thailand doesnt have a Coronial system as such and this is reflected in the way the Police have investigated this.

They have found a cause of death for 1 deceased, all be it now released after some serious diplomatic and international pressure and therefore believe the case is closed .

Any Coroner would link these others immediately and dig deeper.

Sadly this wont move forward much more unless the UK families push etc

Its off topic, but remember Tantika Night Club Fire with over 60 odd dead on NYE 2 years ago, nothing heard about that one , despite the Pm viisting and vowing to investigate it etc.... blah blah