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[izzix]

Thailand to go nuclear by 2020 at earliest, minister says

Jun 11, 2007, 11:47 GMT

Bangkok - Thailand will go nuclear in 2020 at the 'earliest' to meet its dual
goals of increasing electricity supply while slowing carbon emissions, state
media reports said Monday.

Thai Energy Minister Piyasvasti Amaranand said it will take seven years to
prepare for nuclear power in Thailand and another six to build the plants, said
the Thai News Agency (TNA).

'I think it would be dangerous and irresponsible to simply use energy
conservation and renewable energies to try to contain global greenhouse gas
emissions,' said Piyasvasti. 'You must go nuclear as well, and eventually also
use carbon capture storage.'

Thailand currently relies on indigenous natural gas for more than 65 per cent of
its power generation, with the remaining sources from imported oil, coal, hydro
and renewables, the last acounting for only 5.3 per cent of the electricity
output.

Under the ministry's energy plan, Thailand will replace 20 per cent of car fuel
consumption with gasohol and bio-diesel by 2011. In the same year it has
targetted that 8 per cent of its electricity grid will be sources from renewable
energies such as biomass, wind and solar.

But in the longer term, the Thailand will need to opt for nuclear power, said
the minister.

'In Thailand's case I think its inevitable that we will have to look at the
nuclear option,' said Piyasvasti. He said it would take another seven years to
train nuclear technicians and educate the public, and then six more to build the
plants.

'That means it will be 13 years from now at the earliest,' said the minister. He
predicted that initially nuclear would account for only 5 to 10 per cent of
Thailand's electricity needs.

The Energy Ministry has yet to decide on an appropriate location for its planned
nuclear plants. Piyasvasti is a member of an appointed interim cabinet set up
after the September 19, 2006 coup.

His nuclear plans could be overturned by the next elected government.

ฉ 2007 dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur

imagine all that sub standard concrete and casually thrown away radioactive waste sold at the local market on the cheap ..anyone want some thick black long rubber gloves ,little used

[izzix]

hey i lost a D off the end of go

[Doc]

imagine all that sub standard concrete and casually thrown away radioactive waste sold at the local market on the cheap ..anyone want some thick black long rubber gloves ,little used

Pure speculation without any basis or logic behind the statement.

It is comments like this that give Thailand a bad name. You make irrational statements like this without any evidence to support the statements.

You have absolutely no idea what will happen tomorrow much less 5 or 6 years from now.

[skipvice]

imagine all that sub standard concrete and casually thrown away radioactive waste sold at the local market on the cheap ..anyone want some thick black long rubber gloves ,little used

Pure speculation without any basis or logic behind the statement.

It is comments like this that give Thailand a bad name. You make irrational statements like this without any evidence to support the statements.

You have absolutely no idea what will happen tomorrow much less 5 or 6 years from now.

I am sorry Doc if the US and the Soviet union can't control nuclear power, do you think Thailand will do better. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl

http://www.ceet.niu.edu/faculty/vanmeer/nuc1.htm

[Doc]

I am sorry Doc if the US and the Soviet union can't control nuclear power, do you think Thailand will do better. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl

First, those events are ancient history as opposed to recent history.

Second, we must proceed with the presumption that lessons are learned from the mistakes of others.

I still stand by my original statement. No one has any idea about what will happen in the future.

[izzix]

[quote="Doc"][quote="izzix"]imagine all that sub standard concrete and casually thrown away radioactive waste sold at the local market on the cheap ..anyone want some thick black long rubber gloves ,little used[/quote]

Pure speculation without any basis or logic behind the statement.

It is comments like this that give Thailand a bad name. You make irrational statements like this without any evidence to support the statements.

You have absolutely no idea what will happen tomorrow much less 5 or 6 years from now.[/quote]

oh really ? do you remember the several plane crashes in the past where the crash site was looted ,and even in 1 case the locals set up stalls at the crash site selling aircraft parts and debris as souvenirs .

[izzix]

oh yes, and the russian mafia selling plutonium and other nasty stuff on the black market ,luckilly it was bought by undercover agents . you know what thais are like for making a very fast buck .

[nevket240]

Any nuclear facility would, I assume, have to meet IAE standards??

Also 3 mile island if you read about it extensively, was more beat up than leak!!
Anti-nuclear groups more than facts. Chernobyl was plain stupidity, very poor operational decisions. Made demonstrably worse by a self protecting bureaucracy. The nuclear power industry, like all others will have accidents but these have been few and far between because those involved do NOT want to be statistics.

[Doc]

you know what thais are like for making a very fast buck .

Yeah - it is amazing what poverty will do to people Izzix.

Of course, there is a big difference between the Russian Mafia and the Thai Mafia. Two distinctly different "classes" of people in the final analysis.

[laphanphon]

Pure speculation without any basis or logic behind the statement

surely you jest, look at any construction, my house, 1st hand, and simply walk in any thai city and gaze at all the cracked concrete, and their is basis and logic for that statement.

Second, we must proceed with the presumption that lessons are learned from the mistakes of others.

yea right, that's why wars have numbers after them, world war I - II, gulf war 1-2, no lessons learned there, war after war. ok, we're not talking about war, talking about construction. once again, a leader in asia, 1st in the block to have, showcase of the region, ring any bells-------new airport-----hmm, wonder what swamp land the politicians own that they will build the new nuke plant on.

you're right, the future is uncertain, if they plan on 2020, maybe 2030, i won't have to worry about, not that i would, i think i am upwind of any planned site.

would probably be built near river, for access to cooling waters and discreet discharge of contaminated water, goodbye fish, or hello glowing fish. oh yea, built near river, again, soft ground w/flooding, oh yea, i can see this working out real good.

[cookie]

Anti-nuclear groups more than facts. Chernobyl was plain stupidity, very poor operational decisions. Made demonstrably worse by a self protecting bureaucracy. The nuclear power industry, like all others will have accidents but these have been few and far between because those involved do NOT want to be statistics.

what do you call a self protecting bureaucracy?

Is a government that conceded for a long time the bird flu an example of such a government?
Or a European civalized country that conceded for a long time the cow disease in order to "protect" its farmers, is this an example of a self protecting government??
"Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan - The Father of the Islamic Bomb" in Pakistan is an other example of how only ONE man, one scientist can proliferate nuclear material and nuclear technology all over the world.
Yes, lets just call it anti-nuclear groups ....., propaganda,....

[nevket240]

Cookie.
mai khao jai.
but in case I'm guessing correctly

At 1.23am on 26 April 1986, a series of explosions destroyed Reactor No 4 of the Chernobyl nuclear power station, three kilometres from Pripyat in the then Soviet Republic of Ukraine. Fifty tons of uranium fuel from the reactor core vaporised immediately, and were blasted high into the atmosphere; a further 70 tons of uranium and 900 tons of highly radioactive graphite were dispersed into the area around the reactor, starting more than 30 fires; the 800 tons of graphite that remained in the reactor core caught fire at once, creating a radiological inferno that would burn for 10 days, sending a continuous plume of lethal radionuclides roiling into the sky. The Soviet government would wait nearly three full days before acknowledging that an accident had taken place, and did so only after the drifting plume set off radiation alarms in a nuclear plant in Sweden.

from The Observer. 26/03/2006

If I remember the first pics were from US spy satellites.
It took 2 years for the Soviets to come clean with their own people who were affected. A self protecting beauracracy.

[Aardvark]

Hate Nuclear, Absolutely hate it and in the long run it costs more. Hate it Hate it

[izzix]

you know what happened on the airport project ,runways craxcks? and generally chaotic building standards . thais cant manage a project let alone follow design and building instructions . this is far more stringent and managing the low level waste is expensive . Decommisioning is mega expensive , far more than building in the first place . we are talking billions of $ . The uk is faced with a bill for billions of pounds to decommision its nuclear plants.

[Doug]

Have to agree with Doc.
I work here in Thailand on big petrochemical projects and I can tell you this:

Firstly it will have to be western companies as the major contractors. They bring with them high standards of quality, safety and environment. There will be an Environment Impact Assessment, the requirements of which are mandatory.
The Thais are not able (yet) to construct refineries, chemical plants let alone a nuclear facility. I am personally not too concerned of the integrity of such a project; only the nuclear aspect and it's operation.

[valentine]

[quote="Doug"

Firstly it will have to be western companies as the major contractors. They bring with them high standards of quality, safety and environment. There will be an Environment Impact Assessment, the requirements of which are mandatory.
.[/quote]
Thats nice to know Ever heard about the potash mining here in Udon? Doesn,t really convince me, I,m afraid.

[cookie]

Have to agree with Doc.
I work here in Thailand on big petrochemical projects and I can tell you this:

Firstly it will have to be western companies as the major contractors. They bring with them high standards of quality, safety and environment. There will be an Environment Impact Assessment, the requirements of which are mandatory.
The Thais are not able (yet) to construct refineries, chemical plants let alone a nuclear facility. I am personally not too concerned of the integrity of such a project; only the nuclear aspect and it's operation.

Wasn't it a GREAT GERMAN Architect that made the plan for the new airport.
(I am even not sure if there were also western high standard contractors involved of the building of that great airport!!!!

[JimboPSM]

• A western company is no guarantee of safety.
  
  No one should forget Union Carbide and Bhopal.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_Disaster

[Doug]

I empathise with you all. However, it is easy to be selective to prove a point. Why not mention the US shuttle? What percentage of the whole are you talking about?

Here in Thailand they have been constructing and operating petrochem plants, pipelines and power plants for well over 25 years. Have you heard of any problems with them?
Be like Doc; have a little faith.

[BKKSTAN]

''Be like Doc; have a little faith.'' Are you saying doc is a spiritual person?