Malaysian Airlines Plane Shot Down Over Ukraine

Post by **Aardvark** » July 18, 2014, 8:27 am

Yep, can't imagine the Ukraine wanting to shoot at something leaving their Airspace, but certainly the Rebels would be shooting at anything that came onto their Radar. Inexperienced Hillbillies couldn't even recognise a Civilian Ping coming from the Aircraft. And so the question also has to be asked, why did Malaysian retain this Flight Path when almost everyone else was avoiding the area ??

Post by **wallabyjack** » July 18, 2014, 9:31 am

bet the share price gone down company has big troubles ahead!

Post by **GT93** » July 18, 2014, 9:33 am

They were tight arses trying to keep their fuel bill down and repair the bottom line so damaged by the costs of searching for the missing flight.

They're going get hit by more shxt over this.

Post by **wazza** » July 18, 2014, 9:38 am

It dropped 13% on the opening of the local bourse today.

Post by **GT93** » July 18, 2014, 10:56 am

Tony Global Coal Ambassador Abbott says:

'This is not something that can just be dismissed as a tragic accident when you have Russian proxies using Russian-supplied equipment'

Post by **Jing Jing** » July 18, 2014, 11:14 am

The Ukraines have released arecording of Russian Intel talking to pro Russian forces.

UKRAINIAN security services claim to have intercepted two phone conversations in which pro-Russian separatists discuss having just shot down a civilian plane. A transcript of the phone intercept was made shortly after MH17 was shot down. The participants are reportedly a Pro-Russian rebel, a Russian minister, and another a GRU (Russian intelligence) officer.The transcript and audio of the reported phone call follows:
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index ... z37n2qvC3s

Post by **patriot** » July 18, 2014, 2:25 pm

Working in Qatar at the moment and for some reason can only get Fox News in my compound. Fox news have hijacked this grotesque occurrence into nothing more than an anti-Russian and anti US State Department rant.
God; do these guys ever stop

Post by **stattointhailand** » July 18, 2014, 7:04 pm

And on a more sobering note ... a message from Newcastle United FC about the two fans who died in the tragedy, on their way to NZ to watch the team play friendly matches.

It is with great sadness that we learn today the tragic news of the deaths of John Alder and Liam Sweeney, two of the Club's most loyal supporters, who lost their lives on Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 which crashed on Thursday afternoon in Eastern Ukraine.

John and Liam were travelling out to New Zealand together to support Newcastle United in the forthcoming Football United Tour, which takes place next week in Dunedin and Wellington.

Both men were familiar faces at every Newcastle United away game and attended not only first team games but Reserve and Academy matches too.

John was a lifelong supporter and a familiar sight in the stands for almost half-a-century, having barely missed a single game in that time.

Liam will be known to many fans during his time volunteering as a steward on supporters' buses to away games.

Newcastle United Managing Director Lee Charnley said: "The loss of John and Liam is truly devastating news.

"Both men were dedicated supporters of our Club and were known to thousands of fans and staff alike.

"On behalf of everyone at Newcastle United we send our deepest condolences to John and Liam's families and friends.

"The Club will be dedicating an area surrounding the Sir Bobby Robson statue for fans to pay their respects to John and Liam.

"The manager and players will also be wearing black armbands for both their games against Sydney FC and Wellington Phoenix in the Football United Tour of New Zealand.

"Arrangements will be made to pay tribute to the two men at the Club's first Premier League game against Manchester City on Sunday, 17th August. Further information regarding this will be announced in due course."

Manager Alan Pardew said: "Myself and all the players are deeply shocked and saddened by this terrible news.

"We all knew how passionately John and Liam supported the team and the Club.

"They were with us just earlier this week for our first pre-season friendly against Oldham and their dedication to travel all the way around the world to support us in New Zealand tells you all you need to know about the passion they had for Newcastle United.

"Our hearts go out to their families and friends."

Post by **botaknh** » July 18, 2014, 9:44 pm

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Post by **wazza** » July 18, 2014, 11:07 pm

I don't follow the English football, but know of Newcastle , But what I do understand is that sporting clubs world wide have dedicated fans who live the dream of being there with their club through the good and the bad.

These guys were club legends and sadly and tragically lost their lives living their dream to see them play on the clubs overseas tour,

RIP to these guys, true sporting legends for Newcastle.

Post by **GT93** » July 19, 2014, 7:32 am

All too predictably the bad guys are keeping the crash investigators from the crash site. The Aussies and Americans are talking tough. It will be interesting to see how the Europeans respond given the Dutch losses. They might do sod all.

Post by **LilRed** » July 19, 2014, 8:22 am

Looks like da Rooskies supplied the rebels with a BUK system, intended to take out a Ukranian military aircraft. The rebels appear to have mistakenly taken out MH17...

Mebbe so. Mebbe not.

Still, the Malaysian Airlines involvement as pure coincidence, is hard to accept...

Post by **wazza** » July 19, 2014, 8:29 am

Wrong place at the wrong time. Failed to take advice from most other Aviationauthorities over flying over a war zone. Choose to save costs and not divert. Criminal negligence in many countries. Class action suits lining up already i imagine.

Post by **Jing Jing** » July 19, 2014, 9:22 am

Maybe Malaysia needs to investigate the political leanings of Its airline pilots. Two planes lost in a short period of time. When they showed the radar of planes over Europe you will notice very few planes over Ukraine. Why was this plane on this flight path?

Post by **wazza** » July 19, 2014, 9:59 am

According to press statements from MAS. The flight path was not cancelled or withdrawn. It was still operating despite warnings. Pilots dont normally choose these. They are pre allocated . But.....

Post by **stattointhailand** » July 19, 2014, 10:09 am

And Thai have NOW altered their flight path so as their European flights avoid Ukraine =D>

Post by **Jing Jing** » July 19, 2014, 10:15 am

This article claims the pilot diverted from the flight path.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-pay.html

Post by **wazza** » July 19, 2014, 10:37 am

Is that because the fighting is moving ?

Post by **Jing Jing** » July 19, 2014, 10:48 am

But hopes are not high. The OSCE was trying to gain access to one part of the large crash site but the commander of a rebel unit, known as Commander Glum, blocked them. After the warning shot, the OSCE convoy departed.

There is also confusion over the black boxes and other devices apparently salvaged from the plane. A rebel military commander initially said he was considering what to do with them, while another rebel leader, Aleksandr Borodai, contradicting his colleague, said the rebels had no black boxes or any other devices.

Post by **wazza** » July 19, 2014, 11:23 am

This is going to be a bigger cluster ---- than their last lost flight.

Nobody is going to own up to shooting it down and with what.

But a few NSA satelites and tracking from on the ground will pin down the launch site soon. Lets hope they dont rely on pings from an immarsat eh?

Russia is going to lay this all off to tge rebels. They will accept it and say fkuc the world and Russia will pay them off in a year or so subtly...