China breaks its word over Hong Kong

[papafarang]

Anyone watched John Pilger's film on the war on China?

Great documentary worth a watch .

[chopperjoey]

How about the usa wrecking Cuba, another independent island nation, for decades now? Thanks to these crippling blockades the people of Cuba live in economic misery for decades now.

Hey Chopper, please provide some kind of PROOF on the crippling blockades of Cuba. Doubt you can comrade.

well John Wayne, i mainly use logic and reason. The purpose of any blockade is to wreck the economy of the country, in order to force compliance and/or make an example of that country and show other countries what happens if they dont listen to the us. (its called bully tactics).

If the usa imposes a blockade and it would NOT wreck or criple the economy in that case the usa would have failed enormously.

[chopperjoey]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

i just popped in this topic. its just weird. why China shouldnt act "bold", whatever that means. They are not on the leash of America. They can be "bold" if they want to. If they werent "bold" they still would be abused by the usa as a cheap manufacturer country.

Taiwan? Sure let them rule themselves. But i can understand that China is nervous about an island nation so close by the mainland that is so heavely under the control of the usa.

How about the usa wrecking Cuba, another independent island nation, for decades now? Thanks to these crippling blockades the people of Cuba live in economic misery for decades now.

Hong Kong? Sorry but it is China. Legally and ethically. It was only temporarely under Brittish rule. You can rent a house for a longt tme but it still isnt your house.

Intelectual property theft? hilarious. Most intelectual property exchange was and is legal and ethical,nothing forced. "if you want to do busines in our country andbenefit from cheap labour , you have to share your knowledge." Thats VERY FAIR.

The Uzguirs? Well, just like the usa and the west, China has a problem with muslim extremism and terrorism. The usa's "solution" is to simply invade other countries, bomb cities, start wars. China's solution is to put muslims in "education camps". I am not sure which option is the best...

Anyway, its all a political game and we all have to be anti China but its all for the benefit of the usa. Fearmongering. Thats why Canada, and Europe, are less anti China, and ONLY bc they fear being punished by the usa.

China in just a few decades has turned the poverty in their country, in an economic success. Billions of people have been lifted from poverty into prosperity. Now thats pretty good and only a smart country can do that. So instead of following the usa in bullying China, we should more look to the facts and whats happening in China.

Erm, lastly, the last years in the usa culminating in last weeks dramatic events, is very telling about the usa. And daily death rate of 4000 ppl in the usa? sounds like a hopeless ----- country to me. Lots to do for the good ppl in the usa to rebuild their country, and one thing instead of bullying china better look and learn from china.

The U.S. has nothing to do with the fact that China is a cancer spreading around the world. Human rights violations, pollution, covid and the failure to address it in the beginning along with their lies. Chinese citizens arrested for trying to expose the truth. We have a world wide disaster happening right now because of China. They are a corrupt communist dictatorship with big plans which will not be good for the world. If you think China is a great country you are sadly mistaken.

Covid originated in China but only bc of the utter incompetence of countries like the usa it could grow into a pandemic that still rages on. Blaming others is always a sign of ones own weakness. Look at Thailand, doesnt play the political blame game just manages and controls the crisis.

Pollution? u r kidding. A decade or longer ago you would be right. Things are changing fast though in China. China makes great effort to go green.

Human rights violations. I'll give you that. no need to downplay that. But there is also structural human rights violations in the usa, especially if you are poor or black.

Huawei. Hilarious. The usa claims that its a security risk bc "the Chinese" will use it for espionage. More likely the usa fears they themselves cannot use it anymore to spy on their global partners and global friends and world leaders and indeed steal economic secrets from their western parrners. Thanks to Wikileaks we found out the usa secretly lustens to telephone calls of world leaders, in order to get a strategic economic advantage.

All in all, this is not about standing up for human rights and democracy, all these concepts are just abused just to wreck economic growth of China. The usa simply cannot compete but as usual tries to win by wrecking other countries. as if the usa, or most of us, REALLY care about Uzguirs.l we hardly can spell the word nor did we ever meet an "Uzguir" nor did we ever read in depth about where they live and their history.

And yeah, much respect for any country that can turn itself from one of the worlds poorest countries into one of the strongest economies and lifting billions of ppl out of economic misery, in just a few decades. And that brings global tensions but to start a war is not the solution.

[Drunk Monkey]

Anyone watched John Pilger's film on the war on China?

Great documentary worth a watch .

Agree excellent viewing ... some shocking stuff early on ref the Marshall islands .

DM

[jai yen yen]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

i just popped in this topic. its just weird. why China shouldnt act "bold", whatever that means. They are not on the leash of America. They can be "bold" if they want to. If they werent "bold" they still would be abused by the usa as a cheap manufacturer country.

Taiwan? Sure let them rule themselves. But i can understand that China is nervous about an island nation so close by the mainland that is so heavely under the control of the usa.

How about the usa wrecking Cuba, another independent island nation, for decades now? Thanks to these crippling blockades the people of Cuba live in economic misery for decades now.

Hong Kong? Sorry but it is China. Legally and ethically. It was only temporarely under Brittish rule. You can rent a house for a longt tme but it still isnt your house.

Intelectual property theft? hilarious. Most intelectual property exchange was and is legal and ethical,nothing forced. "if you want to do busines in our country andbenefit from cheap labour , you have to share your knowledge." Thats VERY FAIR.

The Uzguirs? Well, just like the usa and the west, China has a problem with muslim extremism and terrorism. The usa's "solution" is to simply invade other countries, bomb cities, start wars. China's solution is to put muslims in "education camps". I am not sure which option is the best...

Anyway, its all a political game and we all have to be anti China but its all for the benefit of the usa. Fearmongering. Thats why Canada, and Europe, are less anti China, and ONLY bc they fear being punished by the usa.

China in just a few decades has turned the poverty in their country, in an economic success. Billions of people have been lifted from poverty into prosperity. Now thats pretty good and only a smart country can do that. So instead of following the usa in bullying China, we should more look to the facts and whats happening in China.

Erm, lastly, the last years in the usa culminating in last weeks dramatic events, is very telling about the usa. And daily death rate of 4000 ppl in the usa? sounds like a hopeless ----- country to me. Lots to do for the good ppl in the usa to rebuild their country, and one thing instead of bullying china better look and learn from china.

The U.S. has nothing to do with the fact that China is a cancer spreading around the world. Human rights violations, pollution, covid and the failure to address it in the beginning along with their lies. Chinese citizens arrested for trying to expose the truth. We have a world wide disaster happening right now because of China. They are a corrupt communist dictatorship with big plans which will not be good for the world. If you think China is a great country you are sadly mistaken.

Covid originated in China but only bc of the utter incompetence of countries like the usa it could grow into a pandemic that still rages on. Blaming others is always a sign of ones own weakness. Look at Thailand, doesnt play the political blame game just manages and controls the crisis.

Pollution? u r kidding. A decade or longer ago you would be right. Things are changing fast though in China. China makes great effort to go green.

Human rights violations. I'll give you that. no need to downplay that. But there is also structural human rights violations in the usa, especially if you are poor or black.

Huawei. Hilarious. The usa claims that its a security risk bc "the Chinese" will use it for espionage. More likely the usa fears they themselves cannot use it anymore to spy on their global partners and global friends and world leaders and indeed steal economic secrets from their western parrners. Thanks to Wikileaks we found out the usa secretly lustens to telephone calls of world leaders, in order to get a strategic economic advantage.

All in all, this is not about standing up for human rights and democracy, all these concepts are just abused just to wreck economic growth of China. The usa simply cannot compete but as usual tries to win by wrecking other countries. as if the usa, or most of us, REALLY care about Uzguirs.l we hardly can spell the word nor did we ever meet an "Uzguir" nor did we ever read in depth about where they live and their history.

And yeah, much respect for any country that can turn itself from one of the worlds poorest countries into one of the strongest economies and lifting billions of ppl out of economic misery, in just a few decades. And that brings global tensions but to start a war is not the solution.

Blaming the U.S. for the spread of Covid, now that is funny. As well why do you have to compare the U.S. to China? The topic is about China, not the U.S. Just can't help yourself I guess. Anyway if you are young enough to live for awhile yet you will see what China is all about, no need for me to explain further.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

[Kenr6583]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

With all due respect, you brought the United States into this discussion.

[papafarang]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

I'm an anarchist you plonka , at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead

[Laan Yaa Mo]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

With all due respect, you brought the United States into this discussion.

With all due respect, it was Chopperjoey who brought the U.S.A. into the discussion with his post on page one. I was hoping people would focus on China breaking its word over their signature on the Joint Declaration/Basic Law in regard to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

I'm an anarchist you plonka , at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead

Sure, sure. We all know how quick you are to defend the Government of China line in case anyone speaks any truths about China, and how you try to deflect the analysis to a real or imagined attack on the U.S.A. as you did in your above post. You just cannot help yourself.

[papafarang]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

I'm an anarchist you plonka , at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead

Sure, sure. We all know how quick you are to defend the Government of China line in case anyone speaks any truths about China, and how you try to deflect the analysis to a real or imagined attack on the U.S.A. as you did in your above post. You just cannot help yourself.

Defend China , you definitely got the wrong end of the stick , I don't give a monkey's about China ,I'm not Chinese ,I've definitely got no chance of ever going there. Seems the vast majority of Chinese people don't give a rats ass about democracy , but hypocrisy I don't like . flapping your gums from the far side of the world about how other people live is just pathetic . if you feel so strongly about it I'm sure there's some Chinese embassy you could go and demonstrate outside ? , no ? Too much effort . how about a strongly worded letter to them then ,that should make a difference, no? Too much effort ? Thought so ,armchair commentators or is it just your sinophobia driving gum flapping ?

[Kenr6583]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

With all due respect, you brought the United States into this discussion.

With all due respect, it was Chopperjoey who brought the U.S.A. into the discussion with his post on page one. I was hoping people would focus on China breaking its word over their signature on the Joint Declaration/Basic Law in regard to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

Try again. Chopperjoey's post came after jai yen yen's.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Kenr6583, I tried again. You are correct. Thanks.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

I'm an anarchist you plonka , at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead

Sure, sure. We all know how quick you are to defend the Government of China line in case anyone speaks any truths about China, and how you try to deflect the analysis to a real or imagined attack on the U.S.A. as you did in your above post. You just cannot help yourself.

Defend China , you definitely got the wrong end of the stick , I don't give a monkey's about China ,I'm not Chinese ,I've definitely got no chance of ever going there. Seems the vast majority of Chinese people don't give a rats ass about democracy , but hypocrisy I don't like . flapping your gums from the far side of the world about how other people live is just pathetic . if you feel so strongly about it I'm sure there's some Chinese embassy you could go and demonstrate outside ? , no ? Too much effort . how about a strongly worded letter to them then ,that should make a difference, no? Too much effort ? Thought so ,armchair commentators or is it just your sinophobia driving gum flapping ?

And yet on the other forum, I seem to recall you calling yourself a Sinophile. You doth protest too much for someone who does not care about China.

[papafarang]

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

I'm an anarchist you plonka , at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead

Sure, sure. We all know how quick you are to defend the Government of China line in case anyone speaks any truths about China, and how you try to deflect the analysis to a real or imagined attack on the U.S.A. as you did in your above post. You just cannot help yourself.

Defend China , you definitely got the wrong end of the stick , I don't give a monkey's about China ,I'm not Chinese ,I've definitely got no chance of ever going there. Seems the vast majority of Chinese people don't give a rats ass about democracy , but hypocrisy I don't like . flapping your gums from the far side of the world about how other people live is just pathetic . if you feel so strongly about it I'm sure there's some Chinese embassy you could go and demonstrate outside ? , no ? Too much effort . how about a strongly worded letter to them then ,that should make a difference, no? Too much effort ? Thought so ,armchair commentators or is it just your sinophobia driving gum flapping ?

And yet on the other forum, I seem to recall you calling yourself a Sinophile. You doth protest too much for someone who does not care about China.

Yes I love sweet and sour , but anyway your childish trolling is lame , you say I deflect to america , read again . I had not mentioned america or anyone else. In fact my only post was about the john pilger documentary.

There are a few comrades here who follow Chairman Papa Farang's Little Red Book. One of their tactics is to try and turn any analysis of China to one of discussing the real or imagined foibles of the U.S.A.

So who brought my name up , who mentioned the USA ,certainty wasn't me. Your just a troll, not a good one either.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Try not to be a hypocrite. A small troll through the forum topics will demonstrate your negative attacks on the U.S., which is strange since you live on the far side of the world from it.

By the way, which county are you referring to? 'at least the Chinese are not dropping bombs on babies. Hundreds of civilians murdered every year ,yeh right we're the good guys . to keep it simple let's just talk human rights ,top of the agenda is the right to life. The right to free speech don't mean squat if your dead'.

[papafarang]

Up to you , could be the us or the UK . could be Canada ,Israel ,Saudis ,aussies .take your pick . but China definitely has not involved itself in bombing foreign countries.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Up to you , could be the us or the UK . could be Canada ,Israel ,Saudis ,aussies .take your pick . but China definitely has not involved itself in bombing foreign countries.

For many decades, China was not capable of it although they may have done some bombing in the Korean War.

Anyway, let's call a truce. This is going nowhere.

[chopperjoey]

That sums it up well. Britain really didn't give up Hong Kong Island, China said they were taking it and there was nothing the old cow, as T'eng Hsiao-p'ing called Thatcher, could do about it since she did not have U.S. support Now what is going to happen when China moves against Taiwan?

Biden will do nothing about the Chinese, at least President Trump tried. You will see China become much more bold now with the new U.S. President.

With all due respect, you brought the United States into this discussion.

With all due respect, it was Chopperjoey who brought the U.S.A. into the discussion with his post on page one. I was hoping people would focus on China breaking its word over their signature on the Joint Declaration/Basic Law in regard to the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.

Having a discussion about China and leaving the usa out of that discussion? How is that possible?

Okay, and now we all have to be "outraged" bc China did breach an agreement forced by other countries, about ruling their own country. Yes of course, the usa just loves it and fully supports it when local agitators keep on wrecking foreign countries, in this case Hong Kong.
Sorry, but the usa has MUCH LONGER LIST of breaching agreements and just spitting in the face of their own allies. The HK agreement just concerns Hong Kong which is part of China. (sorry, facts!) The usa breaching and spitting on the Paris Climate agreement, just to mention a recent example, concerns not the usa but the whole world.

The usa is not "defending free speech and democacry", its just warmongering against China. Nothing new there, thats America.
China is fast growing and expanding and proactive, sure there are some tensions thats natural, but warmongering and rather dumb arguments and saying things like "China is a cancer" are not the solution.
Its all rather rascist actually. Trump calls African countries "----- countries" and here on the forum we see "China is a cancer". Its the basis of rascism, still a very deep problem in the usa
China is a lot less judgemental about other countries and cultures. Lots to learn from China. (And also from the usa, great country but with some serious problems and a rather ------ attitude sometimes.)

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Please keep on topic, chopperjoey. If you want to begin a topic on the U.S.A., do so on your own thread. Good luck with that. You should not try to impose your off-topic views on this thread. Thanks for the understanding and consideration.