ClimateGate busts things wide open

[Lone Star]

This doesn't help Believers at all.

[Udon Map]

This doesn't help Believers at all.

However, as you've pointed out, it's about the actual data, not the people advocating either way.

[Lone Star]

This doesn't help Believers at all.

However, as you've pointed out, it's about the actual data, not the people advocating either way.

The claims are about the data.

The Believers who ignore their own data and fly 1,500 jets into Davos are hypocrites. They own it, and don't even embrace their own pleas to the world.

[Udon Map]

The Believers who ignore their own data and fly 1,500 jets into Davos are hypocrites. They own it, and don't even embrace their own pleas to the world.

Sure, but you don't believe any data which contradicts yours, so does it matter?

[Lone Star]

The Believers who ignore their own data and fly 1,500 jets into Davos are hypocrites. They own it, and don't even embrace their own pleas to the world.

Sure, but you don't believe any data which contradicts yours, so does it matter?

Another Straw Man. My post is about the hypocrisy of the Believers. You want to make an issue over data, which has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the Believers who create the data, make the pleas and want to tax citizens. Perceptions are important if the Believers want the rest of us to buy into their drama.

[Lone Star]

[TJ]

If you are interested in facts as opposed to political posturing,the following will interest you.

Geologist – “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate”
Devastating news for human-caused global warming proponents. “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate,” says Dr Roger Higgs, long-time consultant geologist and sedimentologist. Higgs bases his statement on four vital points: Global warming and cooling are driven by the sun, specifically by the solar-sourced Interplanetary Magnetic Field, which regulates incoming cosmic rays, which in turn govern cloudiness and thus global temperature (the breathtakingly elegant Svensmark Theory). Global temperature oscillations lag 25 years behind the causative solar magnetic fluctuations. This 25-year lag is due to ocean thermal inertia in remarkable agreement with the 15-20-year time lag estimated by Abdussamatov et al. 2012). The idea that CO2 is the main climate driver, despite its scarcity in Earth’s atmosphere, ie 400 parts per million, near plant-starvation level, contrasts starkly with CO2’s 1,000 to 4,000 ppm levels for most of the last 600 million years. Earth is now cooling. Global warming ended in 2016: proof that the sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate. Moreover, from AD500 to 1200, CO2 levels were anti-correlated with Earth’s temperature. “The reality is that man’s industrialization just happened to occur in a period of solar-driven warming, a mere coincidence, causing governments to needlessly spend trillions of taxpayer dollars on CO2-reduction efforts,” says Dr Higgs.
(Excerpt) Read more at iceagenow.info ...

[Lone Star]

If you are interested in facts as opposed to political posturing,the following will interest you.

Geologist – “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate”
Devastating news for human-caused global warming proponents. “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate,” says Dr Roger Higgs, long-time consultant geologist and sedimentologist. Higgs bases his statement on four vital points: Global warming and cooling are driven by the sun, specifically by the solar-sourced Interplanetary Magnetic Field, which regulates incoming cosmic rays, which in turn govern cloudiness and thus global temperature (the breathtakingly elegant Svensmark Theory). Global temperature oscillations lag 25 years behind the causative solar magnetic fluctuations. This 25-year lag is due to ocean thermal inertia in remarkable agreement with the 15-20-year time lag estimated by Abdussamatov et al. 2012). The idea that CO2 is the main climate driver, despite its scarcity in Earth’s atmosphere, ie 400 parts per million, near plant-starvation level, contrasts starkly with CO2’s 1,000 to 4,000 ppm levels for most of the last 600 million years. Earth is now cooling. Global warming ended in 2016: proof that the sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate. Moreover, from AD500 to 1200, CO2 levels were anti-correlated with Earth’s temperature. “The reality is that man’s industrialization just happened to occur in a period of solar-driven warming, a mere coincidence, causing governments to needlessly spend trillions of taxpayer dollars on CO2-reduction efforts,” says Dr Higgs.
(Excerpt) Read more at iceagenow.info ...

Excellent read!

[Lone Star]

This extremely wealthy crowd of elitists discussing MMCC in Davos is faced on so many fronts with rejection. Yellow Vests in France ... BREXIT ... Trump ... Brazil ... upheaval in Venezuela ... All of it scares the crap out of the globalists. The People are seeing through this crap.

Pompeo gave an excellent presentation.

Link to video conference and transcript:
https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks ... 288524.htm

Even when Trump's not there, he's in their heads.

[Lone Star]

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https://stream.org/real-climate-change- ... ream-myth/
The Real Climate-Change Deniers: Exposing a Mainstream Myth

The idea that “skeptics are deniers” is nonsense. It flies in the face of science. As the sociologist Robert K. Merton wrote 80 years ago, “Most institutions demand unqualified faith; but the institution of science makes skepticism a virtue.” Merton isn’t alone. For centuries, scholars have hailed skepticism. The motto of the world’s oldest scientific society (England’s Royal Society), Nullius in verba, means “Take nobody’s word for it.”

Scientific method relies heavily on skepticism. Every claim is cross checked against real-world data before it gains respect even as a theory, let alone a law or a fact. Even then, it remains open to question in light of new evidence.

That's what I've been saying all along. Prove it. Quantitatively and specifically.

Branding skeptics “deniers” lets alarmists ignore counter-arguments. Honest scientists don’t do that. But it saves alarmists from painstaking analysis of data and methods.

Yes it does. Very similar to the Marxist political correctness warping of truth.

Even popular alarmist Michael Mann admitted (in a scientific journal) the apparent “slowdown in warming.” But he downplayed it. He and his colleagues never admitted that they were wrong to predict rapid, dangerous warming. They continue to push their doomsday narrative.

Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann ... yeah, the guy who got caught red handed.

The real deniers hide behind their doomsday narrative. They trust flawed computer climate models rather than measured temperatures. They use scare tactics to peddle their agenda. And they vilify those who approach climate change with the skepticism that is the hallmark of real science.

Intelligent man, that Vijay Jayaraj.

[TJ]

Two decades of the 'hockey stick' graph; Where are we today?
American Thinker ^ | 01/24/2019 | S. Fred Singer
Posted on 1/24/2019, 8:57:30 AM by SeekAndFind

The "hockey stick" graph refers to the results of Dr. Michael Mann (see "NIPCC vs. IPCC," Fig. 20, pg. 22). In 1998, he presented a summary of his analysis of "proxy" data of the past 1,000 years, mostly tree-ring temperatures. He showed a steady decline of temperature of the Northern hemisphere, without the "cooling" of the Little Ice Age (LIA), followed by a sharp temperature rise (the "blade" of the hockey-stick) in the 20th century. The implication of his graph is obvious, but it is wrong in claiming that the copious emission of CO2 in the 20th century produced record warming in the decades before 1942. Of course, the emission of CO2 grew after 1945, at the end of WWII, but the climate seemed to cool until about 1975. (Apparently, the climate did not respond to CO2, as expected from greenhouse theory.)

However, Mann halted the use of his proxy data at the end of the 1970s decade and cleverly added the instrumental data for the period 1978-1998 from surface thermometers, which showed a sharp rise seen by surface thermometers that proved to be a complete illusion (some went so far as to use the word "fake"). He managed to suppress his own contemporaneous proxy data for that interval and has never revealed them. To do so would have removed the sharp rise ("the blade") and ruined his "hockey stick" graph.

In other words, the "hockey stick" is a fictitious construct that has been called "Mike's nature trick" by some and has been "whitewashed" by the usual panels that were unaware of the background and implications.

The IPCC-Assessment Report-3 (2001) featured the "hockey stick" as the consequence as proof of human activity in the 20th century. Mann has since received many honors and lucrative government grants.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...

[Lone Star]

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The "hockey stick" graph refers to the results of Dr. Michael Mann

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Yeah. That guy. Believers still worship him, ignore his 'crimes' and then use the tired false claim that 97% of scientists agree blah blah blah.

Mann is to MMCC what Hillary is to another Democrat run for president. They both create more damage for their causes and are beyond repair.

[rick]

If you are interested in facts as opposed to political posturing,the following will interest you.

Geologist – “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate”
Devastating news for human-caused global warming proponents. “The sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate,” says Dr Roger Higgs, long-time consultant geologist and sedimentologist. Higgs bases his statement on four vital points: Global warming and cooling are driven by the sun, specifically by the solar-sourced Interplanetary Magnetic Field, which regulates incoming cosmic rays, which in turn govern cloudiness and thus global temperature (the breathtakingly elegant Svensmark Theory). Global temperature oscillations lag 25 years behind the causative solar magnetic fluctuations. This 25-year lag is due to ocean thermal inertia in remarkable agreement with the 15-20-year time lag estimated by Abdussamatov et al. 2012). The idea that CO2 is the main climate driver, despite its scarcity in Earth’s atmosphere, ie 400 parts per million, near plant-starvation level, contrasts starkly with CO2’s 1,000 to 4,000 ppm levels for most of the last 600 million years. Earth is now cooling. Global warming ended in 2016: proof that the sun, not CO2, drives Earth’s climate. Moreover, from AD500 to 1200, CO2 levels were anti-correlated with Earth’s temperature. “The reality is that man’s industrialization just happened to occur in a period of solar-driven warming, a mere coincidence, causing governments to needlessly spend trillions of taxpayer dollars on CO2-reduction efforts,” says Dr Higgs.
(Excerpt) Read more at iceagenow.info ...

This Svensmark theory has been widely discredited. Any effect of cosmic rays is believed to be minimal. See here if you want to read more -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Svensmark

As solar activity has declined in this century, we should be seeing cooling, or at least a slowing in warming, not warming if he was correct.

Abdussamtov claimed we would be in a mini-ice age by 2014. We have had the 5 warmest years on record from 2014-2018. Need i say more!

[papafarang]

oh it ok lads . "Global warming ended in 2016" . got a date and time for that. these people can't get their head around the fact that it's not called global warming, it's climate change,and most can't tell the difference between climate and weather.

[Lone Star]

. . . We have had the 5 warmest years on record from 2014-2018. Need i say more!

I think a 4 to 5 year span would be weather.

[papafarang]

. . . We have had the 5 warmest years on record from 2014-2018. Need i say more!

I think a 4 to 5 year span would be weather.

weather happens on a daily basis, this is what I mean about people debating and they don't even understand weather and climate , climate is what you expect, weather is what you get. we live in a hot country , but due to weather it's a tad nippy this morning , that does not mean Thailand's climate changed over night, but I give you this . If in April the weather is still only 18c and we had no hot days for a year or two we could call that climate change , but knowing the climate here I will put a 10,000 b bet with you that temps will hit 30c+ by april, because that's the climate at that time of year, if it rains April I have no idea as weather forecast can't predict that far, will It be cold in april ..I very much doubt it. climate tells me that. these concepts seem above your comprehension.

[tinpeeba]

The difference between local weather and climate explained:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ather.html

[papafarang]

The difference between local weather and climate explained:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ather.html

explains it well enough for even the dumbest to understand, even the trump tweet was wrong "wind chill" ,so he was adding two effects cold and wind, he was talking weather not climate. if the climate was -60 no one could live there

[Lone Star]

[vidmaster]

Tell them in Minneapolis Chicago eat al about Global Warming