Sam orabator to be returned.

Post by **seymourbutts** » September 13, 2009, 5:56 pm

Yes i agree fawn, especially when its an exchange for oil!!!!! or nice fat commercial contracts!!! oh sorry thats untrue......wash my mouth out with soap!!!!!

Post by **wazza** » September 13, 2009, 5:58 pm

Yes Mr Butts, ur BP will rise.

Post by **beer monkey** » September 13, 2009, 6:00 pm

jack wrote:Given that he was born in 1988, and moved to the UK in 1996, and you (generally) don't get a UK passport unless you are a British national

are we talking about Caster Semeya now..?.

anyways...me thinks she has dual passports, she came from Nigeria so must of been a nigerian with a passport...unless she came in the back of a truck...so she must be holding two passports, in which case why no mention of the Nigerian governmant 'helping' the girl out....or even her or her Family screaming out for help from the Nigerian presidente ..Umaru Yar'Adua.

My mates Mrs is a Thai National...she holds a UK passport....she is not British....her nationality is Thai.

Post by **Fawn** » September 13, 2009, 6:07 pm

She must be naturalised British if she holds a UK passport - therefore she's British. This is the argument about ethnic Pakistanis in UK and the reason the government now makes you swear allegiance to the Crown when you accept citizenship - to lend gravity to the concept that being British involves loyalty to the Sovereign not to Islam or a distant tribe on the Afghan border.

Rant over.

Post by **beer monkey** » September 13, 2009, 6:24 pm

Ask her....she will say Thai.

Post by **wazza** » September 13, 2009, 6:28 pm

citizenship v's nationality

Surely someone must know somebody in high places in the FCO to arbitrate this for us

Post by **Fawn** » September 13, 2009, 7:38 pm

beer monkey wrote:Ask her....she will say Thai.

The confusion arises because people think of ethnicity when they're speaking of nationality. Great Britain is a nation state that arose from a deal cobbled together between Scotland and England in the eighteenth century - it's a political concept but it binds us together. Hence anyone who accepts citizenship owes an allegiance to the Sovereign (State or HRH, it doesn't matter). A person who accepts citizenship but has no intention of being loyal to the UK has no right to be here.

Post by **wazza** » September 13, 2009, 7:47 pm

Can they be tried for treason then, if they dont abide by these laws ??

Post by **jackspratt** » September 13, 2009, 7:59 pm

beer monkey wrote:
jack wrote:Given that he was born in 1988, and moved to the UK in 1996, and you (generally) don't get a UK passport unless you are a British national
anyways...me thinks she has dual passports, she came from Nigeria so must of been a nigerian with a passport...unless she came in the back of a truck...so she must be holding two passports, in which case why no mention of the Nigerian governmant 'helping' the girl out....or even her or her Family screaming out for help from the Nigerian presidente ..Umaru Yar'Adua.

My mates Mrs is a Thai National...she holds a UK passport....she is not British....her nationality is Thai.

Ms Orabator came to the UK, with her family, as a refugee - similar to the back of a truck. So it is doubtful that she would hold a Nigerian passport.

If your mate's Mrs holds 2 passports, that would make her a dual national.

Post by **wazza** » September 13, 2009, 8:03 pm

So 2 in your hand is better than 1 from Bush ?

Post by **beer monkey** » September 13, 2009, 8:45 pm

Wonder why her Father didn't come along too and remains in Lagos..

Post by **seymourbutts** » September 13, 2009, 8:52 pm

DEAR SIR
I AM YOUR HONOURABLE FRIEND... I LIVE IN LAGOS AND MY DAUGHTER IS ABOUT TO BE MADE A RICH WOMAN THROUGH FILM RIGHTS...i HAVE NO WHERE TO STORE HER MILLIONS AND WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE ME YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER TO PUT THE MONEY IN AND WE CAN SPLIT IT LATER....

Post by **beer monkey** » September 13, 2009, 8:59 pm

Oooo yeah...me thinks pappy will be back on the scene sometime.

Post by **wazza** » September 13, 2009, 9:10 pm

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Post by **jackspratt** » September 14, 2009, 7:39 am

seymourbutts wrote:DEAR SIR
I AM YOUR HONOURABLE FRIEND... I LIVE IN LAGOS AND MY DAUGHTER IS ABOUT TO BE MADE A RICH WOMAN THROUGH FILM RIGHTS...i HAVE NO WHERE TO STORE HER MILLIONS AND WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE ME YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER TO PUT THE MONEY IN AND WE CAN SPLIT IT LATER....

DEAR SIR

I REFER TO MY PREVIOUS EMAIL. AS YOUR HONOURABLE FRIEND, I MUST INFORM YOU THAT I HAVE NOW DONE FURTHER RESEARCH ON THIS SUBJECT - WHICH, OF COURSE, I SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFORE I SENT MY ORIGINAL, MISLEADING NOTE.

I HAVE NOW DISCOVERED THAT BRITAIN HAS A "PROCEEDS OF CRIMES ACT", WHICH IN ALL LIKELIHOOD PRECLUDES MY DAUGHTER FROM MAKING ANY PROFIT (INCLUDING FILM RIGHTS) FROM THE CRIME WHICH SHE COMMITTED IN LAOS.

I REALISE THIS MAKES ME LOOK A BIT SILLY, BUT I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, AND FORGIVE ME..............

Post by **wazza** » September 14, 2009, 9:10 am

But the CRIME wasnt committed IN UK,

DOeS the Legislation inc PRISONER swaps as well ??

Post by **jackspratt** » September 14, 2009, 9:26 am

I am assuming it is the same as Oz, wazza - doesn't matter where the crime is committed, if you are back in Oz, you cannot profit from it.

David Hicks is unable to make any money from his "crime" in Afghanistan, and Corby could not do so if/when she gets back to Oz.

Prisoner swaps are a totally different issue - they are covered by a treaty, although I imagine there would need to be legislation in the respective countries which gave the necessary power to the executive(s) to make such a treaty.

Post by **wazza** » September 14, 2009, 9:33 am

Jack

Thanks for that, as our representative for all human rights and comments on worldly affairs.

I see the Balibo movie is striking a little sore point again, so it should when the Indonesian army murder 5 reporters etc

Post by **jackspratt** » September 14, 2009, 9:37 am

Yes, even more of a sore point is the the Oz Federal Wallopers (AFP) have (re)opened an investigation into the Balibo murders. The Indos aren't happy.

Hopefully Gough Whitlam is getting some sleepless nights, awaiting the knock on the door

Post by **seymourbutts** » September 14, 2009, 11:19 am

jackspratt wrote:
seymourbutts wrote:DEAR SIR
I AM YOUR HONOURABLE FRIEND... I LIVE IN LAGOS AND MY DAUGHTER IS ABOUT TO BE MADE A RICH WOMAN THROUGH FILM RIGHTS...i HAVE NO WHERE TO STORE HER MILLIONS AND WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE ME YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER TO PUT THE MONEY IN AND WE CAN SPLIT IT LATER....
DEAR SIR

I REFER TO MY PREVIOUS EMAIL. AS YOUR HONOURABLE FRIEND, I MUST INFORM YOU THAT I HAVE NOW DONE FURTHER RESEARCH ON THIS SUBJECT - WHICH, OF COURSE, I SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFORE I SENT MY ORIGINAL, MISLEADING NOTE.
I HAVE NOW DISCOVERED THAT BRITAIN HAS A "PROCEEDS OF CRIMES ACT", WHICH IN ALL LIKELIHOOD PRECLUDES MY DAUGHTER FROM MAKING ANY PROFIT (INCLUDING FILM RIGHTS) FROM THE CRIME WHICH SHE COMMITTED IN LAOS.

I REALISE THIS MAKES ME LOOK A BIT SILLY, BUT I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, AND FORGIVE ME..............

"I am assuming it is the same as Oz, wazza - doesn't matter where the crime is committed"

Now your making yourself look like a prize pratt!!!!

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