Malaysia Airlines plane missing with 239 on board

[GT93]

A Malaysian police investigation has identified the captain as the chief suspect if human intervention is involved:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/mh370-pi ... zshu4.html

If the captain downed the plane, udonmap's Gweilo should have a safe trip. Detective maaka isn't a fan of this theory. The jury is still out on whether the Malaysian police or maaka is Maxwell Smart. I'm waiting for Zidane to post some photos of agent 99.

[maaka]

No I am still not a fan of that type of theory in regards the pilot..there is no motive..Indeed, why fly away to where no one can find you, or know that you done it, even taking your own muslim countrymen..He has lovely kids doing well at uni, and they say thier dad would not do that..so he had indian ocean stuff on his flight simulator, you got to have something on it to test your pilot skills..its easy to blame him when you havent got anyone else..I could be wrong, but thats how I see it..he doesnt fit the profile..I would be more focused on who else used his simulator, and whether they happened to be on board the plane as well..

as for Gypsy Jack..
I will keep my ear to the ground Mate, leading up to your departure back to Gondwanaland...cant see any problems. as no one has ever heard of Perth..

[Aardvark]

No I am still not a fan of that type of theory in regards the pilot..there is no motive..Indeed, why fly away to where no one can find you, or know that you done it, even taking your own muslim countrymen..He has lovely kids doing well at uni, and they say thier dad would not do that..so he had indian ocean stuff on his flight simulator, you got to have something on it to test your pilot skills..its easy to blame him when you havent got anyone else..I could be wrong, but thats how I see it..he doesnt fit the profile..I would be more focused on who else used his simulator, and whether they happened to be on board the plane as well..

as for Gypsy Jack..
I will keep my ear to the ground Mate, leading up to your departure back to Gondwanaland...cant see any problems. as no one has ever heard of Perth..

The Scottish will be disappointed

[GT93]

Now now maaka. The Dennis Lillee and the iron gloves Rod Marsh are sandgropers. If someone hasn't heard of them then they have missed out big time. I understand Mr. Marsh even holds some notorious beer drinking record.

And dirty old Rolfie Harris is now one of Western Australia's most notorious sandgropers even if he's acquited.

[Aardvark]

Leave Rolf alone, he was just "Expressing" himself

[Aardvark]

Gee wiz maaka I hope your a Patient Detective ... http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/missing ... 6969735205

[GT93]

Maaka, it increasingly looks like a rogue pilot. When Tony Abbott finds the bodies, he should give the pilot's body to the Taliban or to the Chinese secret police? I'm drinking rum and coke so I made that a question rather than an opinion.

[maaka]

well Fella's, all I see is alot of 'maybe's, could have's, and a possibly. '
its still all guesswork as to who did what, and why...still no wreckage, oil slick, satelite images..
Jinabine should have picked it up if it was anywhere near Aussie..
no something still doesnt gel with me, but I cant put my finger on it, yet.

[Aardvark]

The bloody Russians

[GT93]

The bloody gel manufacturers

[Aardvark]

Looks like the (experts) have settled on someone tampering with the Plane. Highjack or Suicide who knows .... https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world ... ng-theory/

[GT93]

That will get maaka's grey matter turning Ardie. His Sherlock Holmes brain cells will be going into overdrive. If only the Chinese would fund a maaka led investigation this case would be solved more quickly. I don't have much confidence in a Tony Abbott or a Malaysian led search. Abbott's just too weird to be doing a man's job. He should stick to riding a bicycle or being PM and get out of the way when important matters arise.

[Earnest]

So Ernie, how did this Horizon doco go..
cough up man..

Fascinating, old chum. They explained how Inmarsat arrived at their conclusions of where the 'plane apparently crashed and why the aircraft disappeared in the South China Sea in the first place. Interesting how they posed an idea that maybe the pilots had become incapacitated and someone else tried to recover the aircraft. Not too dissimilar to the Air Helios flight I was talking about a few weeks back.

You can watch the documentary on You Tube. Just search for MH370 Horizon. The BBC has split it into 5 parts of 10 minutes each.

[GT93]

Well we know what maaka is doing today. He'll be watching the documentary way more than once. This lad can't seem to get enough of this mystery. Hang in there maaka.

[maaka]

sorry Chaps, had Uni all day Saturday and today so mind on other things. 60yrs old and still going to school, but dang, the babes didnt dress like this back in my day oyiiiiiiiiiiiii...

aint got a fast enough toplap to view Youtube Ernie old son..
but will respond to digs by GT perhaps after class tonite..
keep the info coming..

[GT93]

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mh370 ... zsqlv.html

I wanted to beat Ardie by posting this link. Not bad a Kiwi picking this up before a sandgroper. You might offer your services for the investigation maaka if you can haul yourself away from undergraduates a third your age. I can't say I'd want to be back studying at university.

[JimboPSM]

As there is still no physical evidence the most compelling (and that which I would assign the highest probability to) of the theories is of an unfortunate series of events on board the aircraft which combined to create a hypoxic (or similar) cabin state in such a manner that it did not trigger any of the warning systems and was able to effectively incapacitate the flight crew and passengers before its danger was fully recognised.

As the event(s) appear to have occurred during the cruise phase of the flight, the flight crew would not be at the heightened state of awareness that is normal during the takeoff or landing phases and as such there may only have been a few moments where a crew member was still sufficiently conscious to be able to initiate any kind of action beyond initiating the turn off the airway and heading back towards Malaysia.

As I understand it, a turn off the airway to avoid conflict with other aircraft would have been in accordance with emergency procedures especially if an emergency descent to 12,500 feet (or lower) were to have been attempted to escape a (suspected) hypoxic condition and to operate at a height where full depressurisation of the aircraft would provide sufficient breathable air for passenger and crew safety.

While that would fail to explain subsequent turns (unless there was some semblance of a return to consciousness by the flight crew), I suspect that an extremely rigorous analysis of the autopilot, its computers and INS may reveal that it is possible that they could somehow combine (as happened with another Boeing 777, Malaysian Airlines Flight 124 on 1 August 2005*) to produced rogue command inputs to the control surfaces that produced the later changes of direction.


Hypoxia does appear to be one of the leading suspects for the accident investigators as a list of unresponsive crew / hypoxia accidents (including the Helios accident previously mentioned by Earnest) is included in Appendix D on page 51 of the “MH370 - Definition of Underwater Search Areas” report by the ATSB issued on 26th June.

• Appendix D:

  

  The full report can be found here:
  http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2 ... Search.pdf

*Extract from Wikipedia on the Malaysia Airlines Flight 124 incident:

On 1 August 2005 a serious incident involving Malaysia Airlines Flight 124, occurred when a Boeing 777-2H6ER (9M-MRG) flying from Perth to Kuala Lumpur also involved an ADIRU fault resulting in uncommanded manoeuvres by the aircraft acting on false indications. In that incident the incorrect data impacted all planes of movement while the aircraft was climbing through 38,000 feet (11,600 m). The aircraft pitched up and climbed to around 41,000 feet (12,500 m), with the stall warning activated. The pilots recovered the aircraft with the autopilot disengaged and requested a return to Perth. During the return to Perth, both the left and right autopilots were briefly activated by the crew, but in both instances the aircraft pitched down and banked to the right. The aircraft was flown manually for the remainder of the flight and landed safely in Perth. There were no injuries and no damage to the aircraft. The ATSB found that the main probable cause of this incident was a latent software error which allowed the ADIRU to use data from a failed accelerometer.

The US Federal Aviation Administration issued Emergency Airworthiness Directive (AD) 2005-18-51 requiring all 777 operators to install upgraded software to resolve the error.

Full Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_data_i ... rence_unit

[GT93]

I'm not convinced by that Jimbo. This flight seems to have made some deliberate turns. I think we still don't know all there's to know about the pilot. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but I think the Malaysians are keeping mum about the pilot.

I'll offer a long shot - Dick Cheney is responsible for a lot of dastardly deeds. Maybe his paws were involved in this? If Muslim terrorists could be blamed the US could spend another trillion or two in the middle east.

You been having some exams maaka? We know you live and breathe this thread.

[Aardvark]

I'm not convinced by that Jimbo. This flight seems to have made some deliberate turns. I think we still don't know all there's to know about the pilot. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but I think the Malaysians are keeping mum about the pilot.

I'll offer a long shot - Dick Cheney is responsible for a lot of dastardly deeds. Maybe his paws were involved in this? If Muslim terrorists could be blamed the US could spend another trillion or two in the middle east.

You been having some exams maaka? We know you live and breathe this thread.

But why not leave a note or something to brag about your victory in stealing a plane and all on board. The one about the Yanks highjacking it and landing on some Island in the Andaman Sea to secure some kind of mystery cargo is sounding better to me. At least that would mean our side got it, what ever it was .....

[maaka]

sorry chaps, I can never seem to find this thread once it leaves the home page..

yes there is a hypoxic theory, but no explanation as to how it was caused, and how it took over the plane, and its passengers..I am more a poisons expert, but once I was nearly killed in my sleep from carbon monoxide poisoning..if it had not been for the terrible nightmares that came over me at the time, I would not have woke up, and be writing this...my point being that even an odourless, tasteless gas, can be detected by some people well before death occurs, and action can be taken before this hypoxic thingyabob sets in...

if the plane, or cargo bay was on fire, as perhaps the oil rig fella, and babe on the sail boat witnessed, then I would think that the crew, and passengers had some sort of warning, rather than a hypoxic thing sneeking up on them..depends whether it was a fire, or just a gas of some kind...without the cargo list, and an idea of where everything was positioned, its hard to know how it would overcome all the occupants of the plane..

I would tend to think that passengers would start off with some minor syptoms first, perhaps in different parts of the plane..if it then became to great an issue, I know as a pilot I would decend to a point where I could open the cockpit window, or failing that, drop the bird in the tide to save at least some people..but before anything, before even turning back, I would make a mayday call, or alerted authorities before I click out of autopilot and descended and turn back..

If I recall rightly I have seen oxygen bottles in the crews station area, so why didnt the pilot use these while they decended to a reasonble height in which to open the window so to speak...if the AC unit caused the spread of gas or fumes from a fire below, then how is this possible, and why didnt the AC stop working like the other equipment that failed.

I dont so much think its the pilot the Malays are holding back on, but the cargo..to me the turn around the Andamans islands seems human induced. Seems highly unlikely a fluke that the plane skirted around Indo airspace, thats if it went that way..anyway, its all still guesswork