How Does a State Built on Terorism Assume International Credibility?

[jackspratt]

It seems the Israeli state is hell bent on further driving out, and disenfranchising the rightful owners of Palestinian land - this time in Jerusalem.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel "firmly rejects" pressure not to build in Jerusalem following days of unrest and increasing international criticism of planned evictions of Palestinians from homes in the city claimed by Jewish settlers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/ ... /100127392

This of course follows an ongoing program of stealing land for "settlements", and claiming a "capital city".

To appropriate giggley's favourite word - shameful.

[Giggle]

“There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel.”
- Golda Meir

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Why shouldn't Israelis be allowed to build their capital?

Every civil society suffers their undesirable disaffected, angst-ridden untermensch. Israel is no different.

Bug-eyed lunatic squatters like the sludge that infested Portland's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) eventually drown in their own filth and effluvium. It's a self-medicating wound, the appendage usually rots and falls off.

[AlexO]

It seems the Israeli state is hell bent on further driving out, and disenfranchising the rightful owners of Palestinian land - this time in Jerusalem.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel "firmly rejects" pressure not to build in Jerusalem following days of unrest and increasing international criticism of planned evictions of Palestinians from homes in the city claimed by Jewish settlers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/ ... /100127392

This of course follows an ongoing program of stealing land for "settlements", and claiming a "capital city".

To appropriate giggley's favourite word - shameful.

Pratt
Your ignorance astounds me. A Nation State sanctioned by the UN has since the days of its existence in the late 1940's been fighting for its survival against multiple Nations whose absolute aim was to wipe them off the face of the earth. The region was a Jewish state way before Christianity and a thousand years before Islam so rightful owners???. To call them terrorists while their citizens are subjected to virtually daily rocket attacks , bus bombings, incessant rioting and murders just goes to show what kind of democratic society you believe in (equal rights for all including 'women' etc) If you win a war you dont just go back to square one you keep the strategic advantage points and lands that were originally yours. Really living up to your name with this one.

[rick]

Israel is like China - they both want more territory at the expense of the people living on that land. As for rightful owners, the original Israel ceased to exist 2000 years ago, and Jews ceased to be the majority 1.800 years ago. Is the USA going to give back the country to the American natives? The Anglo-Saxons Britain to the Celts? The Palestinians Have lived there for 1,800 years, do they not have rights as well?

[AlexO]

The Land of Israel, which is considered by Jews to be the Promised Land, was the place where Jewish identity was formed,[10][need quotation to verify] although this identity was formed gradually reaching much of its current form in the Exilic and post-Exilic period. By the Hellenistic period (after 332 BCE) the Jews had become a self-consciously separate community based in Jerusalem.
Agree that the Palestinians are getting a raw deal but mostly through their own refusal to keep to any form of peace treaty and the likes of Hezbollah's continued aim of the annihilation of Israelis.
Pratts claim of a nation built on terrorism is just his usual BS.
You could claim that USA, Australia, New Zealand, Spain et all are all terrorist states as they forcibly took the lands of the indigenous peoples and never gave it back.
Britain gave back most of its Empire to the original owners. Indecently the Anglo Saxons were separate indigenous tribes in mainly southern Britain with the Celt tribes being mainly in the northern regions. The Romans managed to defeat the Anglo Saxons but never the Celts, hence Hadrian's Wall.

[jackspratt]

To call them terrorists while their citizens are subjected to virtually daily rocket attacks , bus bombings, incessant rioting and murders just goes to show what kind of democratic society you believe in (equal rights for all including 'women' etc)

Sounds like you are describing the Haganah, the Irgun Awai Leumi, and the Lohamei Hertut up till the late 40's - and you are correct.

If you want to dilute your own ignorance (which doesn't astound me) just a smidgen, you could start here:

JEWISH-ZIONIST TERRORISM AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

IT IS CONCLUDED THAT: (1) JEWISH TERRORISM AGAINST BRITISH AND ARABS DID CONTRIBUTE HEAVILY TO THE REMOVAL OF THE BRITISH FROM PALESTINE, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE AND THE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL; (2) THERE WERE NO PRACTICALLY AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO YIELDING THE MANDATE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SOPHISTICATION;

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-libra ... ent-israel

(Apologies for the all caps - cbf re-typing the original script)

[chopperjoey]

What is happening is only normal and natural and is happening since ancient times.

Civilized people move in an area and take over from the local barbarians. The Romans did it in europe and brought civilization. :-p europeans did it to america and australia and brought civilization.

all that nonsense pc talk about the so called native people in america. these native people came from somewhere else a long time ago and they themselces drove away the native people.
the native people themselves had wars and fought for territory, displacing and killing other native indians.

about israel. never forget the olympics and how brutally the palestinians killed athletes. never forget how they hijacked airplanes with hunderds of innocent people. the list goes on. these people arent followers of Gandi.... just blunt terrorists trying to reach their goal by targeting innocent ppl and playing the victim card.

Israel, civilised country, best thing that happened to the region. bless them. the palestineans should make effort to work together with them, not fight them. peace not war. until then, fight to win from the palestinians.

[AlexO]

To call them terrorists while their citizens are subjected to virtually daily rocket attacks , bus bombings, incessant rioting and murders just goes to show what kind of democratic society you believe in (equal rights for all including 'women' etc)

Sounds like you are describing the Haganah, the Irgun Awai Leumi, and the Lohamei Hertut up till the late 40's - and you are correct.

If you want to dilute your own ignorance (which doesn't astound me) just a smidgen, you could start here:

JEWISH-ZIONIST TERRORISM AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

IT IS CONCLUDED THAT: (1) JEWISH TERRORISM AGAINST BRITISH AND ARABS DID CONTRIBUTE HEAVILY TO THE REMOVAL OF THE BRITISH FROM PALESTINE, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE AND THE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL; (2) THERE WERE NO PRACTICALLY AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO YIELDING THE MANDATE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SOPHISTICATION;

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-libra ... ent-israel

(Apologies for the all caps - cbf re-typing the original script)

And the Americans, the Indian's (sub continent) , the multitude of terrorist organisations who tried to accelerate the move to independence from the UK just as long as they were 'in charge' afterwards. Get back under your rock with your daily issue of left wing tripe and be happy.
Just as an aside where would you have sent the Jewish survivors of Nazism to, honest answers only. ('honest', you can look up in google)

[Doodoo]

Israel Civilized???

Lets see how many assisinations Israeli agents have carried out over the years without a trial or a Judge. Canadians, Greeks, West Germans etc all assisinated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... ssinations

[AlexO]

Israel Civilized???

Lets see how many assisinations Israeli agents have carried out over the years without a trial or a Judge. Canadians, Greeks, West Germans etc all assisinated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... ssinations

Been through your list and can see one Canadian (who was designing a super gun for Saddam Hussian) whose specification was it could hit targets in Israel. The rest were either murdering terrorists or leaders of the murdering terrorist organisations or people who had killed jewish people in the WW2 death camps.
I only wish the Brits had been half as clinical in dealing with the known IRA/PIRA murdering terrorists and their opposite members of the Loyalist gangs, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.
The USA keep very quiet about its black ops same as Russia who have no qualms about poisoning critics of their regimes. But none of them can compare to the carnage carried out in the name of their unseen God by Black September, the PLO, Hezbollah, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Deash (ISIS) etc
Still fail to see why the Left of Centre supporters have become so anti sematic when the whole ethos of Israel and the Kibbutz system is based on the holy grail of equality and socialism so eagerly sought by most snowflakes.

[jackspratt]

And the Americans, the Indian's (sub continent) , .........

The thread is about Israel, Alex.

I have provided evidence from the US Department of Justice of the terrorist origins of the Israeli state. There is plenty more.

If you want to start a thread about the US, or India, or any other country for that matter, there is plenty of scope to do so.

And you could even try doing it in a civil manner, or perhaps you prefer to stay in the naughty boys corner.

[Doodoo]

Alex O

Anyone who goes out and assinates others is definitely NOT Civilized as you stated prior THey have taken the law into their own hands and should be classified as a Murderer

[AlexO]

Pratt
Just look at the title of your thread (we will ignore the spelling mistakes). It could refer to any amount of Internationally recognised states so why are you picking on Israel as the International bad boy. Even in the UK Labour Party there seems to be an absolute upsurge in anti Semitism despite quite recent former party leaders being Jewish and one still in the Shadow Cabinet. I just find it amazing that you ignore the excesses of those who's aim in life is to exterminate the Israeli nation but concentrate on a few minor excesses by the Jews. I dont condone them but when you are under constant attack by murdering extremists it must be quite difficult to 'turn the other cheek'. Hope this did not offend you too much.

[AlexO]

Alex O

Anyone who goes out and assinates others is definitely NOT Civilized as you stated prior THey have taken the law into their own hands and should be classified as a Murderer

Just where did I say Civilised? I merely pointed out that many of the nations we hold in awe do execute (or attempt to execute) opponents without reference to laws of the land or court trials. You are attributing someone else's post to me.

[jackspratt]

I only wish the Brits had been half as clinical in dealing with the known IRA/PIRA murdering terrorists and their opposite members of the Loyalist gangs, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.

How about in the 1940s in Palestine - should the Brits, as the controlling authority, have been as clinical with the Haganah, the Irgun Awai Leumi, and the Lohamei Hertut?

Given that it has been demonstrated, they were also murdering terrorists.

[glalt]

The Jews have been persecuted for many years. They had their lands stolen from them. When some of that land was eventually given back to them, they had to fight and die to keep it. Even today they live in their own small country and are constantly attacked nearly every day. How would you like it if when your neighbors deny you the right to even exist? I admire them for staying strong enough to defend themselves.

[jackspratt]

Pratt
Just look at the title of your thread (we will ignore the spelling mistakes). It could refer to any amount of Internationally recognised states so why are you picking on Israel as the International bad boy. Even in the UK Labour Party there seems to be an absolute upsurge in anti Semitism despite quite recent former party leaders being Jewish and one still in the Shadow Cabinet. I just find it amazing that you ignore the excesses of those who's aim in life is to exterminate the Israeli nation but concentrate on a few minor excesses by the Jews. I dont condone them but when you are under constant attack by murdering extremists it must be quite difficult to 'turn the other cheek'. Hope this did not offend you too much.

Israel was specifically referred to in my OP, so please stop trying to deflect - including to spelling mistakes.

Were the Jews in Palestine during the late 40s under "constant attack by murdering extremists", or was it the Arabs and Palestinians, not to mention the Poms, being attacked?

ps still struggling to be civil I notice.

[jackspratt]

The Jews have been persecuted for many years. They had their lands stolen from them. When some of that land was eventually given back to them, they had to fight and die to keep it. Even today they live in their own small country and are constantly attacked nearly every day. How would you like it if when your neighbors deny you the right to even exist? I admire them for staying strong enough to defend themselves.

What you are saying could be equally attributed to the Palestinians.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

What was the name of that Israeli terrorist organisation again, and was Ben Gurian part of it? I do remember that it was very successful in assassinating British targets.

[AlexO]

I only wish the Brits had been half as clinical in dealing with the known IRA/PIRA murdering terrorists and their opposite members of the Loyalist gangs, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.

How about in the 1940s in Palestine - should the Brits, as the controlling authority, have been as clinical with the Haganah, the Irgun Awai Leumi, and the Lohamei Hertut?

Given that it has been demonstrated, they were also murdering terrorists.

They did, quite a few were killed or ended up at the wrong end of a rope. Tell me, should SEAL Team 6 have been tried, jailed or worse for the execution of Osama Bin Laden??? Did they do anything different from the Israelis??