Israel - The New Colonialists?

[jackspratt]

After the alleged genocidal obliteration of Gaza and its citizens, and subjecting the West Bank, and its citizens, to repressive rule, it seems the Golan Heights is next on Netanyahu's list for occupation and take-over under the cover of the disruption in Syria.

Benjamin Netanyahu has said that the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel for almost 60 years, will remain part of Israel “for eternity”, amid growing criticism of an Israeli takeover of a previously demilitarised buffer zone in Syrian-controlled territory.

Speaking at a press conference in Jerusalem, the Israeli prime minister said Israeli control of the high ground “ensures our security and sovereignty” adding “the Golan will be part of the State of Israel for eternity”.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... ons-depots

At huge cost - lives, infrastructure, money and regional stability - HAMAS seems to have achieved its malign objective to upset the status quo, and make the world take a good hard look at what is happening in the Middle East.

[AlexO]

At huge cost - lives, infrastructure, money and regional stability - HAMAS seems to have achieved its malign objective to upset the status quo, and make the world take a good hard look at what is happening in the Middle East.

Jeez, and there was the rest of the non leftie racist world knowing that the "MALIGN OBJECTIVE" of the evil terrorist organisation named Hamas was the absolute need to complete the Nazi cause of wiping the Jewish population from the face of the planet.

Probably the best example of stated cause of genocide ever.

[FrazeeDK]

I wonder if the fanatics in Hamas had any inkling of what would happen the 14 months after their invasion of Israel?
- Hamas, most leaders dead, military organization totally disrupted, left to play insurgent wack-a-mole in Gaza
- Gaza, a wasteland if I'm to believe the videos the media presents.. What a mess.
- Hezbollah, leadership dead, rocket and missile assets almost gone, being pushed back north of the LItani River.
- Syria's Assad regime, gone in 3 weeks.
- Russia pulling out of Syria
- IRGC gone from Syria
- Syrian/IRGC assets/bases/munitions in Syria, up in smoke.
- Iran in retreat, its dreams of a new Persian empire gone...

As for the Israelis pushing into the Syria buffer zone, the way I see it they'll destroy all bunkers, defenses, minefileds, headquarters, storage areas built over the last 50 years by Syria.. Once that is done, I anticipate they'll pull back to their original lines other than the top of Mount Hermon...

Any comments on Turkey's "colonialist" occupation of northern Syria??

[AlexO]

Makes absolute sense, leaving Assad's arsenal of chemical weapons intact for those who have the "malign objective" of completing the Nazi objective of exterminating the Jewish people .
REALLY!

[AlexO]

I wonder if the fanatics in Hamas had any inkling of what would happen the 14 months after their invasion of Israel?
- Hamas, most leaders dead, military organization totally disrupted, left to play insurgent wack-a-mole in Gaza
- Gaza, a wasteland if I'm to believe the videos the media presents.. What a mess.
- Hezbollah, leadership dead, rocket and missile assets almost gone, being pushed back north of the LItani River.
- Syria's Assad regime, gone in 3 weeks.
- Russia pulling out of Syria
- IRGC gone from Syria
- Syrian/IRGC assets/bases/munitions in Syria, up in smoke.
- Iran in retreat, its dreams of a new Persian empire gone...

As for the Israelis pushing into the Syria buffer zone, the way I see it they'll destroy all bunkers, defenses, minefileds, headquarters, storage areas built over the last 50 years by Syria.. Once that is done, I anticipate they'll pull back to their original lines other than the top of Mount Hermon...

Any comments on Turkey's "colonialist" occupation of northern Syria??

[tamada]

After the alleged genocidal obliteration of Gaza and its citizens, and subjecting the West Bank, and its citizens, to repressive rule, it seems the Golan Heights is next on Netanyahu's list for occupation and take-over under the cover of the disruption in Syria.

Benjamin Netanyahu has said that the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel for almost 60 years, will remain part of Israel “for eternity”, amid growing criticism of an Israeli takeover of a previously demilitarised buffer zone in Syrian-controlled territory.

Speaking at a press conference in Jerusalem, the Israeli prime minister said Israeli control of the high ground “ensures our security and sovereignty” adding “the Golan will be part of the State of Israel for eternity”.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... ons-depots

At huge cost - lives, infrastructure, money and regional stability - HAMAS seems to have achieved its malign objective to upset the status quo, and make the world take a good hard look at what is happening in the Middle East.

Say you had a nice "buffer zone" between you and your rather standoffish and unfriendly neighbour who, through his unfortunate actions, has to vacate his property overnight, leaving the gates, doors and windows ajar. The next day, a gang of (please pick at least one),

A) Hells Angels with loud bikes and guns and beer, or
B) Yabba dealers with free-range XL American bully dogs, or
C) Rowdy-assed ketamine-fueled 24-hour party makers, or
D) A large Asian family that cook all day and all night, while shouting and slamming doors a lot, or
E) A 24-hour motorbike repair shop with beer and honking ladyboys

moves in and steadily ramps up their anti-social activities, including fireworks at all hours. I reckon you would be kicking yourself that you hadn't taken the moral "high ground" and seized the "buffer zone"... hell, why not the whole empty property, just as soon as the guy's dust had settled?

You would probably be gurning about them on UM as well.

[jackspratt]

Further evidence - not that it's needed.

Israel's prime minister has used the regime change in Syria as reason to approve a plan to double the Israeli population living in the occupied Golan Heights.

Benjamin Netanyahu said events over the border in Syria showed there was more reason than ever to bolster the number of settlements in the territory. No countries apart from Israel and the US recognise the Golan Heights as Israeli territory.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-16/ ... /104728902

All that Mediterranean beach front in Gaza is no doubt looking more and more tempting.

[tamada]

Further evidence - not that it's needed.

Israel's prime minister has used the regime change in Syria as reason to approve a plan to double the Israeli population living in the occupied Golan Heights.

Benjamin Netanyahu said events over the border in Syria showed there was more reason than ever to bolster the number of settlements in the territory. No countries apart from Israel and the US recognise the Golan Heights as Israeli territory.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-16/ ... /104728902

All that Mediterranean beach front in Gaza is no doubt looking more and more tempting.

Yes, evidence that once again the world sits on its hands when there's a regime change in America. It only happens once every four years so one should have got used to it by now. Political opportunism isn't new and they're all at it.

Anyhoo, that's my hands wrung for a Monday.

[rick]

Lebanon next.

[FrazeeDK]

the "world" sat on its hands while Iran supplied Hezbollah with thousands of rockets, missiles and money. The "world" sat on its hands while Syria went down the toilet and Assad's regime, supported by Iran, murdered tens if not hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. The "world" still sits on its hands while the Houthis, a non-State entity brazenly attacks shipping in the Red Sea.. Dozens of places in total anarchy that the world just ignores.. Had Netanyahu sat on his hands a year ago and took the US and UN adivce to implement a cease fire with Hamas what would the situation be now? Hamas still at near its peak military power. Hezbollah still fully armed in Lebanon, the IRGC sitting pretty in Syria and the Russians firmly entrenched in their bases in Syria...

[rick]

Do not think the situation in Syria has been influenced much by Israel's war against Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel also just sat and watched that conflict. Only now it is over they are attempting a land grab in Syria.

As for Hezbollah, their actions have nearly always been confined to South Lebanon and North Israel. Not really a threat to the western world. Israel is also trying to establish a 'security zone' in Lebanon, including displacing Lebanese citizens and destroying their houses. Hezbollah mainly came into existence to fight Israel when Israel occupied parts of Lebanon between 1982 and 2000. They wanted their land back. If Israel does not leave Lebanese territory this time, more war is inevitable.

And Israeli settlers continue to nibble away at the West bank. Cannot see peace coming without an end to Israeli colonisation.

[Udon Map]

the "world" sat on its hands while Iran supplied Hezbollah with thousands of rockets, missiles and money. The "world" sat on its hands while Syria went down the toilet and Assad's regime, supported by Iran, murdered tens if not hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. The "world" still sits on its hands while the Houthis, a non-State entity brazenly attacks shipping in the Red Sea.. Dozens of places in total anarchy that the world just ignores.

Except for the Jews. When someone yells, "It's the Jews" the world jumps into action.

[tamada]

Do not think the situation in Syria has been influenced much by Israel's war against Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel also just sat and watched that conflict. Only now it is over they are attempting a land grab in Syria.

As for Hezbollah, their actions have nearly always been confined to South Lebanon and North Israel. Not really a threat to the western world. Israel is also trying to establish a 'security zone' in Lebanon, including displacing Lebanese citizens and destroying their houses. Hezbollah mainly came into existence to fight Israel when Israel occupied parts of Lebanon between 1982 and 2000. They wanted their land back. If Israel does not leave Lebanese territory this time, more war is inevitable.

And Israeli settlers continue to nibble away at the West bank. Cannot see peace coming without an end to Israeli colonisation.

Recent stories suggest the downfall of Assad has been a quiet work in progress for at least a year, with the 'hostiles' slowly building their offensive capability in the north of the country. A case of Assad fiddling in Damascus while Aleppo turned. It appears that there was little if any Russian support, despite some of their forces still being deployed in the country. That in itself suggests that the Ukraine offensive is having a considerable impact on Russian 'colonialism'. I recall that side of 'foreign relations' was handled by Wagner. Nobody's heard much about them either since the death of their leader. The fall of Syria has cut off Hezbollah's supply lines from Iran and snuffed out whatever hope they had remaining of being a major player in these conflicts.

Hezbollah, for as long as they had that desert conduit, were a huge threat to the western world. They were ramping up their attacks in support of Hamas in Gaza. Look at the Houthis in Yemen, squabbling over internal fiefdoms and religious schisms...but able to fire hypersonic missiles at Tel Aviv, attack the western world's shipping lanes with rockets and blow up Saudi refineries with drones. All in the name of support of Hamas.

You like to suggest that Hezbollah were magnanimous and simply seeking to help restore Lebanese land to Lebanon when in reality, they cynically seized political influence in the vacuum created by the perpetually morally bankrupt Lebanese leadership. They did that with Iranian money. The Houthis are still doing it with Iranian money. That's what Iran and their proxies that seek the destruction of the state of Israel and the death of all Jews do.

[rick]

How much of a threat are Hezbollah to Europe? Apart from a couple of Attacks in France back in the 80's, there has been only one attack, on Israeli tourists in Bulgaria. The only other significant terror attacks were in Lebanon, mainly against foreign troops which they felt were occupying Lebanon. They were successful in forcing those foreign troops to leave - although it took some time to get rid of the Israelis.

There were problems between Hezbollah and Christian forces early on, but these days relations are somewhat better - rarely any fighting. Hezbollah gave the Shia in Lebanon a voice - which is why they have widespread support among the Shia.

The fighting that Hezbollah did after the start of the Israeli war against Hamas was limited to some rocket attacks - as far as i am aware hezbollah fighters did not cross the border, they were not interested in a major war. It was Israel who went full on with mass assassinations, air attacks and an attempted ground invasion.

[tamada]

Germany invaded Poland under a premise of the Poles being inferior and persecuting the minority Germans's living there.

More recently, Russia invaded Ukraine under the premise of stopping fascism and the Ukrainians persecuting the minority of Russians living there.

Iran armed Hezbollah, hence the Christian militias were outgunned and thus acquiesced.

The Shia head count in Lebanon is only marginally smaller than the Sunni one. The Christian head count in Lebanon beats either of them.

Israel "went postal" in order to save their nation and their people from annihilation by Iranian proxies.

[Sport]

I think hezbollah were smart enough not to engage Israel in any type of ground offensive. It may have resulted in a crushing defeat of southern Lebanon and all infastructure.

In other words, don't F... around with Israel, they will get you.