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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by jackspratt » July 12, 2010, 8:41 pm

jingjai wrote: Breaking news from South Africa.

After Nigeria was eliminated from the World Cup the Nigerian
goalkeeper personally offered to refund all the expenses of all the World Cup
fans who travelled to South Africa. He said he just needs their bank details
and pin numbers to complete the transaction.
Please keep up at the back, jj :D
Re: World Cup 2010

Postby jackspratt » July 4, 2010, 2:02 pm
I read this on another forum.

After Nigeria was eliminated from the world cup the Nigerian goalkeeper personally offered to refund all the expenses of fans that travelled to South Africa . He said he just needs their bank details and pin numbers to complete the transaction.
:D



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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Brian Davis » July 13, 2010, 7:33 am

Maybe I'm coming from a different era, when players were expected to perform different roles to now. It's easy, retrospectively, to jump on the bandwagon and knock particular players, when possibly it's difficult to think of ANY English player who returned home with credit. But my main point is that out of all of English football, are Heskey and Crouch the best we can find to lead at the front? And surely there must be 'wingers' (I use the term loosely) who are able to get the ball across well and consistently. Frightening, really.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Zidane » July 13, 2010, 9:08 am

Sadly,at the moment the cupboard is looking pretty threadbare for instant replacements for the current lot !
Heskey was finished as an international in 2004,Crouch is OK to come on with 20 minutes to go.
Theres currently only Rooney and Defoe.....next in line would be the likes of Bent and Agbonlahor.....so not much to enthuse about there.
But the Under 17's won the European title this year and the Under 21's were runners up the previous season.
So there is some hope but probably forget Euro 2012 and the World Cup 2014.
I think after "50 years of hurt" we might make an impact at Euro 2016 so we'll have to keep taking the medication till then or apply for Spanish citizenship ! ;)

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by jingjai » July 13, 2010, 2:51 pm

Please keep up at the back, jj :D
Oops :oops: .

Well, I'm happy Spain won it.
Pass the Paella please. =P~ \:D/

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Brian Davis » July 13, 2010, 3:41 pm

I've obviously run out of things to do today. :D
I didn't see the final and didn't miss a lot from what I've read. It seems, from the number of yellows and one red, that the game was full of over the top aggression and not so much quality football. I think it's unusual to have so many bookings, but haven't noted any criticism of ref Howard Webb, whose presence there endorsed his reputation as the best English referee.
Maybe somebody will correct me if I'm mistaken, but unless these bookings/sending off somehow 'rollover' to the national leagues where these players perform (unlikely?) or the next international (a friendly?) perhaps, I wonder if that explains, in part, the number of cautions? Players would surely foul more easily to disrupt the opposition , if they knew a yellow didn't mean that much, other than careful not to seriously foul again.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by arjay » July 13, 2010, 3:46 pm

And surely there must be 'wingers' (I use the term loosely) who are able to get the ball across well and consistently. Frightening, really.
What about Terry Cooper (Leeds c1970), maybe he could be recalled. ;)
......... surely be an improvement on recent players/form. :-"

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by BobHelm » July 13, 2010, 4:01 pm

Brian, I think the only critism of Webb might be that he was too lenient... :shock:
At least 1 or 2 Dutch players flirted with a straight red early on. In one of the 'league stage games' early on I am sure that he would have done so. I got the impression he was doing all he could to keep the game 11 a side.
I think the Dutch players were all too well aware that to allow the Spanish to pass at will was the way to a certain loss 7 so were over zealous in their effort!!
Maybe that is a little generous of me as well.....I will be interested to read what others think.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by udonuk1 » July 13, 2010, 4:18 pm

Over zealous ? Why do you think that it referred to as "clogging" ?

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Galee » July 13, 2010, 4:31 pm

I think Alonso was lucky he wasn't booked for assaulting De Jongs boot with his chest. :D



Can someone give me a sensible reason why Drogba was booked?

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Zidane » July 13, 2010, 9:31 pm

BobHelm wrote: Maybe that is a little generous of me as well.....I will be interested to read what others think.
I think that if it would have been an ordinary Group Stage match then Van Bommel and De Jong would have been sent off before half time......and quite rightly so.
But Howard Webb was aware that if he did that then the Final as a spectacle to watch would have been ruined.
He was damned if he did and damned if he didnt.....he couldnt win.
I was very disappointed with the way the Dutch approached the game.Whatever happened to the lovely football they have a tradition for playing over the years in the eras of Cruyff,Neeskens,Rep,Van Basten and Gullitt ?
The coach,Bert Van Marwijk,should take the blame for that.....rather than criticising the referee he should have the guts to apologise to the footballing world for his teams behaviour which spoiled the match for millions of viewers.
Robben and Schneider could have been red carded as well for their nasty whingeing and tackling,in Schneiders case.
Heitinga was maybe slightly unfortunate to go but the Dutch shouldnt really have any complaints imo.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Flatlander » July 14, 2010, 12:01 am

Zidane wrote:I was very disappointed with the way the Dutch approached the game.Whatever happened to the lovely football they have a tradition for playing over the years in the eras of Cruyff,Neeskens,Rep,Van Basten and Gullitt ?
The coach,Bert Van Marwijk,should take the blame for that.
With that lovely football we never win prices, except for the european championship 88, so Bert try to give the play system another aproach. And with that different system we reach the final, wich we could win.
Nevertheless you shouldn't get 9 yellow and one red card in a world cup final. Then you not play football and if you not play football you can't win. Spain is the deserved winner. =D>

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by udonuk1 » July 14, 2010, 5:21 am

The winners may sometimes be the cheats eg Italy or Argentina but are usually the teams with the most flair and skill Brazil Spain France England Uruguay . The way that Holland played was simply a disgrace !

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by tony525 » July 14, 2010, 5:44 am

udonuk1 wrote:The winners may sometimes be the cheats eg Italy or Argentina but are usually the teams with the most flair and skill Brazil Spain France England Uruguay . The way that Holland played was simply a disgrace !
I did not see any skills neither from France nor from England. Yes it's true that Italy cheats, but Argentina's game is superior to that of England and France.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by udonuk1 » July 14, 2010, 10:12 am

I was only referring to previous WINNERS . Italy with the Materazzi wind up of Zidane. Argentina with the hand of god and Rattin team of "animals" 1966. When England and France won the world cup they both played with flair too. The Dutch team were cynical . They deserved to lose.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by DGPW » August 3, 2010, 11:13 am

Hi Bob, Have just seen your 12 July response to my post of 10 July. Since nowhere in my comments did I attribute, or imply, Capello was entirely to blame for England's abject World Cup failure, presume you got me mixed up with someone else! If you re-read my post, you will see its main thrusts were: (i) at Capello's blind and supreme arrogance in denying ALL & ANY responsibility for the appalling performances of the England team collectively, and of individual players; (ii) at his expressing as his opinion that he had done everything right, (i.e. had not made any mistakes!), in his capacity as the England Manager and that ther players had let HIM down (not you will note England as a whole and the England supporters in particular); (iii) at the fact that it was a total certainty that he would not resign and would not be sacked by the FA for reasons unrelated to football and Capello's performance; (iv) my forecast that , again for other than footballing reasons, Beckham would contiuue to be a major factor in everything Capello does, and that together they would ensure the England team' (as selected by them!) continuing failure against other National sides, other than minnow countries such as is England now.
Turning to your expressed views, and contrary to them, I say a very resounding "Yes" that I DO feel Capello shares by far the greater responsibility for the embarassing performances by the England team and, to an extent, some of the individual players, and undoubtedly should have had the self respect to resign or to have been sacked.
Managers, in any walk of life, are required to fulfill the tasks for which they are employed and paid, otherwise they are shown the door. In this specific case, I am comfortable in knowing that my views, as regards the responsibilities of a (National) football Manager, are shared by at least six World Cup 2010 team Managers who accepted responsibility and resigned, for perceived failure for performances which, relatively, were substantially superior to that elicited by Capello from HIS chosen England players. So also, similarly sharing the view of a Manager's responsibiities, there have been countless numbers of both club and national football managers, many of them legends in the game, and of far greater proven abilities than those displayed by Capello, who resigned.
As regards your support for Capello being justified in including in the squad and playing unfit or out of form players, I again respectfully disagree. Capello chose and sent home from the original squad of 30, seven fit players; also most spcifically in the German game, with the team two goals down and with nothing to lose, he continued to lack the courage to remove at least two 'name' players who were performing abysmally (one of them having done so for all four of England's games) and, needing goals, he takes of Defoe and brings on Emile "one goal every ten games" Heskey! As regards lack of choices among the eleven fully fit players available off the bench, dare I commit sacrilege by suggesting the very fit and very in form Michael Dawson in defence and the drive and power of Scott Parker in midfield would have been improvements upon Capello's selections. So also the availabililty of the (fully fit sent home by Capello), pair of Walcott and in form goal scoring Bent, while I readily admit could hardly be considered as world class players, surely would have offered improved alternatives to Heskey & Rooney .
Finally, as regards your rhetorical specific or implied questions as to whether a different Manager ( particualrly one of the many top BRITISH managers in the game), would have selected a different squad of players, selected different teams; adopted better tactics and training approaches, achieved better comunication and motivation from the players, and achieved a higher and less embarassing level of performance at the finals, I suggest the resounding answer is "Yes". Sadly also, given the existing clearly demonstrated "FA-Capello-Beckham" iron control, I can see nothing in the immediate future other than further false dawns, pain and suffering for England supporters. dgpw.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by BobHelm » August 4, 2010, 1:45 pm

As I said D I think you have misread my post too.

Capello made some appalling decisions, on that we fully agree. Also an honorable manager would have probably resigned after the England showing in the world cup.
My fear was (with all the calling for him to be sacked) that he would just be used as a scapegoat & that the FA would just sack him & believe that solved all the problems associated with the England team. As it turns out they were not even men enough to get rid of him and seem oblivious to there being any underlying concerns about the game in England.
I can see England falling even further behind its continental cousins, let alone South America. However the Premier League (where only 40% of the players are English) will continue to bring in the money!!

It is a sad time to be an England supporter & I can't see that situation changing for long, long time.

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by DGPW » August 5, 2010, 1:05 pm

Yes Bob.
You have summarised the England Team's present, and continuing dismal future to perfection.
As regards the upcoming EPL season, I fully agree with you and, in fact, have the feeling it is going to be better and more competitive than ever. I am looking forward to the multitude of forecasts about to descend upon the Forum - some of them might even prove to be impartial. (joke!).
Back to England; If you hear of anyone willing to offer me reasonable odds, I would be very happy to place a reasonably sized bet that, under the anticipated Capello/Beckham Machine management era, England will NOT qualify for the European Cup Finals.
Finally, just to get the ball rolling, and the adrenalin running among the Forum's football fanatics, below is a list of players that should (BUT WON'T) be advised by Capello that their international careers are over:
BECKHAM , David James; Gary & Paul Neville; Micah Richards; Wes Brown; Carragher; Upson; JOHN TERRY (He is past his best and is increasingly disruptive); LAMPARD (his stage has long been club, not international,football).Ledley individual; Lescott; Carrick; Downing; Hoddlestone; Jenas; Wright-Phillips; Crouch & Heskey.
Discretion being the better part of valour, I think it is now time for me to run for cover!

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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by Zidane » August 5, 2010, 3:40 pm

DGPW wrote: a list of players that should (BUT WON'T) be advised by Capello that their international careers are over:
BECKHAM , David James; Gary & Paul Neville; Micah Richards; Wes Brown; Carragher; Upson; JOHN TERRY (He is past his best and is increasingly disruptive); LAMPARD (his stage has long been club, not international,football).Ledley individual; Lescott; Carrick; Downing; Hoddlestone; Jenas; Wright-Phillips; Crouch & Heskey.
Discretion being the better part of valour, I think it is now time for me to run for cover!
Not too many surprises on that list,especially Paul Neville who works for the Ministry of Agriculture in Ireland !
Cant see him featuring in Capello's plans,along with the brothers Gary and PHIL Neville ! [-X
Lampard and Crouch wont be discarded,simply because their arent any viable alternatives.....maybe,Richards too,he's gone off the boil the last couple of season but is still in his early twenties,so might yet figure.
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Re: World Cup 2010

Post by BobHelm » August 5, 2010, 8:08 pm

Interesting article by David Bond, the BBC's Sports Editor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond/20 ... ponsi.html

Seems even the changes the league are introducing re "home grown players" will actually do little to ensure more English players are playing in the Premiership.
But the well-known problem with the "home grown" definition is that foreign players can qualify under that rule if they have spent three or more years at an academy before the age of 18. Arsenal, for example, have six "home-grown" players in their quota of eight who would not qualify to play for England - although it must be said the club is unusual.
Seems the league have no concern about the lack of an English team anyway. With the heads of both the EPL & FA disinterested seems nothing will change... :(

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