Dog....what should I get?

[Bump]

Yes, I suppose 50 Ibs is not that small, guarenteed it is a mutt, every pup in the liter looked different. Yes it can be agressive I can control it, if it is wihtin reach, the wife has problems at times. As a general rule male dogs want to be bo female dog are usually much gentler.

The one we have is protective at home, but outside his only interest is which bush he can mark. Totaly ingnores people who are walking in the area.

The dog is fine training is the problem, why I can control him and the wife can not. She would not listen to me when I told her she had to control the dog when he was little. Now he is to big.

Any dog that is not trained properly will be a problem. Your right dogs are pack animals, I think we often forget waht a dog is, they are essentially wild animals. What is happening when they bond to a family is the family replaces the pack. If they don't have contact with people early on, it is difficult to get them to bond completly with a family.

Personally I would never adopt a Soi dog, not because they are not good animals, but because training needs to be started early.

Any dog will have behavior problems that is normal, but if you get a pup and raise it, the chances are you will end up with a wonderful dog no matter what thier breeding.

Pitbulls are perfect example, feared by most, they are many time raised for fighting and if they have been there is good reason to fear them. If they are reiased properly they are as gentle a any other dog.

Just a suggestion, get yourself a puppy that catches your eye, doesn't really matter what kind and train it the way you want it to be. One thought though if you have several dogs it is very hard to train one and get good results. Trianing ha to be consistent within the entire family or you will have what I have a dog who will listen to you and not your wife.

Also keep in mind that generally females are more gentle.

[businessman]

John,i will try and get of my butt today and see if i can get info on where the local ridgebacks have come from.I parked outside the gold shop yesterday and could not bet back to my car as a red ridgeback took a dislike to me.Not a creature to mess with so i had lunch.

[yorkman]

Thanks all.

The problem with an import is, its actually easy, easier then into Europe providing you get all the jabs and the paperwork lined up, but it works out very expensive. I can understand somebody doing it for a much loved existing pet. Even the timescales as to the age at which they can have the jabs etc, precludes a pup....so its a small adult dog, and that may be too late if it has not already been handled correctly.

Hmmm. I did not know that about the inheritance "It is normal for temperament to be a cross gender gene. ie: dog puppies are taken from the bitch and the females inherit the dads", so maybe there is some hope there.

Thanks Marcus. If you can find out where it came from that would be great. My inclination is still to go to a dog breeder (not the dog "farms" that seem to be what you usually get) so I can see both parents, and get a pup of a big dog type, and go from there. I would still, very carefully, consider a Thai Ridgeback, but as previously advised, not unless I know I have 100% buy in from the family.

We have what I think is one that some idiot is allowing to run about, on its own, in the Soi (it certainly looks very much like what I have seen pictures of). And that is a dangerous dog! Most Soi dogs just run if you if they threaten a bit and you face them down. That one does'nt.... I don't blame you over the car incident...hehe

My wife would be fine in handling a dog, her family have had all sorts of dogs large and small over the years that are not allowed to run wild, but its trickier with kids to get them to on the ball with it.

I'm a bit picky over this one, mainly because I do not want to be in the position, a year or two down the line, of adding to the unwanted dog problem in Thailand. I have some friends in the UK who had a retriever, it was very much part of the family and very docile. Except one day, their 7 year old tripped over it while it was asleep, and it put a hole through her cheek, she still has the scar. It was rehomed. Whetever I thought about it (heck, I'd be grumpy if I was kicked awake) if that happened, I would not get any peace until the dog went.

Thanks to all for your advice

John

[valentine]

Just by chance I found my new doggie companion yesterday. A friend imported a Doberman dog about 5 years ago which he rents as a sire to other breeders. well this dog must have got fed up with having high faluting classy lovers and nipped over the wall for a "bit of rough' with a medium size soi bitch, brown and white. The results appeared earlier this week, four beautiful chocolate brown puppies, two dogs , two bitches, each with a striking white tip to its tail. One dog, the runt of the litter died but the others are suckling nicely. I am having the other dog pup. I anticipate having when grown a dog about or slightly less than the height of a doberman, same build, slim, short haired, good natured, not a constant barker. The funny thing in view of my previous correspondence, they all have a ridge of reverse hair down the back, so mum must have been carrying the gene. Will take some photos when they are able to see.
Have you decided on your selection yet John?

[yorkman]

a dog about or slightly less than the height of a doberman, same build, slim, short haired, good natured, not a constant barker.
Have you decided on your selection yet John?

Not yet Val, its a shame about the timing as something like that sounds ideal.

I really want to be there for a longish period during its youth for reasons you understand well.

Yes interested in seeing some photo's, sounds great!

John

[valentine]

a dog about or slightly less than the height of a doberman, same build, slim, short haired, good natured, not a constant barker.
Have you decided on your selection yet John?

I really want to be there for a longish period during its youth for reasons you understand well.
John

Sure do, bit much if you can't get in your own house, and if you do, every time you give the wife a cuddle you get your ankles nipped.They can be more jealous than a second wife, so I'm led to believe.The latter is only hearsay on my part

[yorkman]

Actually no, I had not got as far as that thought, although thats a consideration too,

I meant basic house training, not eating food that others might give; just generally not being the boss in the house. My wife can do but I want it to know it's not "top dog" as far as the kids are concerned.

Hence, being there, through the formative years (or months in a dogs case)

Having said that, your to be "doggy" sounds ideal Val. A bitch from the same brood I would certainly like; its just timing is the problem (Only 6 weeks in Thailand in March/April)

John

[Alagrl]

Valentine, I'm sure the Doberman mix will work well for you. My sister acquired a 5-year-old Doberman show bitch whose owners were moving and could not take the dog with them...the dog was very responsive to voice commands, quiet, and her hearing was amazingly acute. She was protective of her property, house, and people but took clear cues from her owners on who was OK or not, and was very gentle with children.

Intimidating look, though, and that's not a bad thing.

[cnkbud]

Hi John,
I recomment Australian Shephers, have had several for over 25 years and they are great watch dogs, really good with young kids, and are easily trainable. They also are very adaptable to many climates although they do tend to have long coats, and they are natural herders if that means anything. They do need some shade during the hot periods. Mine have always been outdoor dogs but of course you can keep them in the house but that will probably spoil them. The color standard is Black-Tri, Red-Tri, Blue Merle, Red Merle and can be all Black or Red; White's are not acceptable as they tend to go blind and any puppies in a litter are always put down to protect the breed standard; size runs from 30-70 lbs. May not be available there. I know all the breeds very well and personally would't have anything else, although the Rodesian Ridgeback would be a close 2nd and having a shorter coat could possibily tolerate the climate up there somewhat better. Have a good one and enjoy. Old Bud

[banpaeng]

Hey Bud is that the same as an Australian heeler. Do not know if the same or not. Just for info only. Sounds very semilar.

[cnkbud]

Hi Banpaeng,
No, the Aussie Shepherd is long haired and much larger, my black-tri male weighs 80 lb but it the largest have ever had. Hey, the Blue Heeler is also a great dog, a friend of mine who has a ranch here only a mile or so from the Mexican border has them and has no problem with xxxxxxxx, they bi-pass his place. And, even though they are small, they are ferocious when it come to protecting family and property, and probably a little less hyper than the Shepherd, and being short haired would probably tolerate the weather up there maybe a little better. Maybe John should check to see what the Thai dog breed regesitries have on these breeds.
A good source of info on dog breeds used to be www.puppyfind.com but haven't tired it for some time, whorth checking out. Have a good one and enjoy. Old Bud

[banpaeng]

Thanks Bud. They sounded a lot alike except for the hair, and I do not know that many dog breeds. Sounds like you know your breeds pretty well.

[wokkawombat]

Bud, I have never heard of an Australian Shepherd dog and I have spent a few of my 62 years on farms in Australia. Maybe you are talking about Border Collies (sheep dogs), but apart from the border collies I do not know of any long haired working dogs in Australia.

My Thai landlord (ex- Sakon Nakhon) swears by black dogs for some reason.

[Loaded]

My Thai landlord (ex- Sakon Nakhon) swears by black dogs for some reason.

Someone told me that in the parts of Asia where the eat dogs , they (for some reason) prefer black dogs, especially China, Cambodia and Lao. Maybe you landlord was preparing, or had his next meal in mind ?

[Loaded]

Or other suggestions?

Is there a Thai version of the (very American) sign;

[cnkbud]

Greetings Wokkawombat,
Well, probably the reason you're not familar with the breed is because they are not originally from Australia, but rather from Northern Spain and the Aussie folks who came to the US in the 1800's brought some of them with them, thus how the got the Australian tag put on them. I did have one Border Collie female and they are very similar to the Shepherd, are just a tad smarter, in fact some say the smartest of all breeds, but the Shepherd is a little larger and usually have docked tails whereas the Border Collie is usually long tailed. Please do a web search on "Australian Shepherd" and you should be able to bring up all kind of info on the breed. The www.puppyfind.com website is a really great source of info on all breeds. Hey, I've met a few Australian folks and never met one I didn't like, you guys are great . Have a good one and enjoy. Old Bud

[valentine]

Hi John,( yorkman.) went to see my new puppy yesterday, its turning into a fine looking dog, up on its feet a little bit, but they are so attractive that the whole litter is spoken for now. The soi bitch has naturally been adopted so it can nurture the babies, so the owneres are thinking of keeping it around permanently and maybe repeating the mating again in 6 months. By then you should be able to see how my one has grown and if you like it, can put your name on the next litter.

[yorkman]

Hi John,( yorkman.) went to see my new puppy yesterday, its turning into a fine looking dog, up on its feet a little bit, but they are so attractive that the whole litter is spoken for now. The soi bitch has naturally been adopted so it can nurture the babies, so the owneres are thinking of keeping it around permanently and maybe repeating the mating again in 6 months. By then you should be able to see how my one has grown and if you like it, can put your name on the next litter.

Excellent Val, that would work better for me. I'll have a talk to you about this on my return if I may.

Thanks Bud for the suggestion, but no, they seem not to be available in Thailand. I thought "Border Collie" or other Collies as well, especially when the colours were described and the white/blind bit. As a kid we had the somewhat (I guess still) rarer and larger Smooth Collies, short hair and in this case Blue Merle, which carried the recessive white gene.

John

[beer monkey]

Here's a champion award winning dog to consider.

[banpaeng]

I like that dog 100%. What breed is that?

HOG DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!