Title in passport

Post by **Kodok** » February 11, 2013, 12:07 pm

Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here knows anything about titles stated in passports. My son has a thai passport in which there is a title (master) before his given name (first name)-

I am wondering if this title is to be included when booking flights? The title itself is included as a given name in his passport.

All help appreciated,

/K

Post by **maaka** » February 11, 2013, 2:57 pm

seems alittle weird to be included as his ' given name ', whether it is merely to indicate he is a boy, and not a man, cant say. Though one would expect his photo and date of birth to outline this..

I was a Master once when I was a little boy, and then I became a Mister, now I am Gran Gran..

Post by **martynsnowman** » February 12, 2013, 7:05 am

just thank your lucky stars your sir name is,nt BATES or it would be mr , mrs bates and there son masterbates .......

Post by **Kodok** » February 12, 2013, 7:46 am

maaka wrote:seems alittle weird to be included as his ' given name ', whether it is merely to indicate he is a boy, and not a man, cant say. Though one would expect his photo and date of birth to outline this..

I was a Master once when I was a little boy, and then I became a Mister, now I am Gran Gran..

Since I am of swedish origin I am not really used to using titles. My sons birth-certificate states the same title in front of his given name.

Even more strange is that he has got a swedish passport in which there is no title, just his two given names.

Is there really no one here who knows anything about this??

/K

Post by **WhoUrDaddy** » February 12, 2013, 9:27 am

It's and Asian society, where everything is for show, or simply redundant of the obvious. Though being a chauvinist society may explain some aspects. Why adult women are titled unmarried/miss, then married/mrs, BUT, when divorced, retain the married/Mrs title. Demeaning, as in you failed, or a warning to future partners, don't even try the 'I'm a virgin' routine. Men simply get the one title.

Though women know the score and don't have to be told. Any wonder Uni's are mostly female attended, and when asked, what do you do with you arses in the morning, they reply, kiss them and send him to work.

Post by **maaka** » February 14, 2013, 6:47 am

I will just reply to keep this thread at the top of the list, in the hope that the OP gets a better response perhaps from a member who has a kid with a passport, and affirms what is written in thiers..

For the OP..All I can say again is that when I was a little boy in NZ, I was referred to as Master Maaka . It was an old english term used in schools mainly, but letters would also come to me in the post addressed to Master Maaka...it indicated that I was a boy, rather than a man...why the Thai's in both passport and birth certificate situation's would use an old english, and somewhat formal term, is beyond me...

Post by **Perra** » February 14, 2013, 7:39 am

This is how I got it explained for me. The reason why it says "Master" is because it is a translation of the Thai birth certificate which states Dek Chai (boy) or Dek Jing (girl) before the name and the correct translation of the title Dek Chai is Master. What they call a baby girl i don't know...

You don't have to state Master on any booking unless it is an alternative you have to choose (Mr, Mrs etc). I have never use it and never been asked to, neither on domestics nor international flights

Post by **Kodok** » February 14, 2013, 7:50 am

Perra wrote:This is how I got it explained for me. The reason why it says "Master" is because it is a translation of the Thai birth certificate which states Dek Chai (boy) or Dek Jing (girl) before the name and the correct translation of the title Dek Chai is Master. What they call a baby girl i don't know...

You don't have to state Master on any booking unless it is an alternative you have to choose (Mr, Mrs etc). I have never use it and never been asked to, neither on domestics nor international flights

I suspected that the right thing to do would be to use his given names since the title is not really a part of his name.

Thank you for answering!

/K

Post by **maaka** » February 14, 2013, 10:49 am

well done Perra, thanks mate

Post by **nkstan** » February 14, 2013, 11:15 am

Perra wrote:This is how I got it explained for me. The reason why it says "Master" is because it is a translation of the Thai birth certificate which states Dek Chai (boy) or Dek Jing (girl) before the name and the correct translation of the title Dek Chai is Master. What they call a baby girl i don't know...

You don't have to state Master on any booking unless it is an alternative you have to choose (Mr, Mrs etc). I have never use it and never been asked to, neither on domestics nor international flights

Nice to ,finally,see a response related to the subject matter enquired about!!

Post by **maaka** » February 15, 2013, 7:06 am

I believe ' Master ' refers to a boy up to 14yrs of age,
and a wee girl is called ' Miss '

Post by **papaguido** » February 15, 2013, 8:24 am

Google is your friend...

The title "Mr." or no title at all is usually used when addressing boys today. The use of master as a prefixed title, which was "until recently ... a way of addressing politely a boy who was too young to be called 'Mister,'" has "now almost died out, though some adults may still use this form jokingly."[1] Robert Hickey, deputy director of the Protocol School of Washington, states that "use of Master an honorific when addressing boys is considered old fashioned outside of conservative circles."[2] Nancy Tuckerman of the Amy Vanderbilt Complete Book of Etiquette writes that a boy can be addressed as master until age eight, then is addressed only by his name with no title until he turns 18, when he takes on the title of Mr.,[3] although it is not improper to use Mr. if he is slightly younger.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_%28 ... address%29

Post by **WhoUrDaddy** » February 15, 2013, 8:36 am

and a wee girl is called ' Miss '

Or called 'illegal'

Seriously, the title has nothing to do with anything and surprised they are even on ID's here. never needed for any type of reservations, though some sites will ask, give option for title.

Post by **ronan01** » February 15, 2013, 8:55 am

Marty - Reminds me of the old joke about the door master at an upper class family ball:

"Announcing Mr and Mrs Smith and their son Master Smith"

"Announcing Mr and Mrs Bates and their son Master Bates"

Post by **GT93** » February 18, 2013, 12:04 pm

I notice my step-grandson has "Master Phummin" as his "name in Thai" on his passport. His last international flight had on the ticket [Surname]/ Phummin Master.

Post by **Perra** » February 18, 2013, 12:40 pm

GT93 wrote:I notice my step-grandson has "Master Phummin" as his "name in Thai" on his passport. His last international flight had on the ticket [Surname]/ Phummin Master.

That's on both my sons tickets too but not because i stated it but that gender and age is mandatory when booking (at least the air lines I use)