Snakes
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JamesMichael
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Snakes
I have a question, has anyone been bitten by a snake? If so do all hospitals carry antivenom or do some hospitals specialize in snake bites? Time would be of the essence so going to the right place is important so it would be good to Know.
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This is a good resource to identify dangerous snakes. has a little bit about anti venom
venomous-snakes-of-udon-thani-t13053.html
I would think the best hospital to go to would be the government hospital at Nong Prajak ( if in Udon Thani). Smaller hospitals are less likely to carry anti-venom.
venomous-snakes-of-udon-thani-t13053.html
I would think the best hospital to go to would be the government hospital at Nong Prajak ( if in Udon Thani). Smaller hospitals are less likely to carry anti-venom.
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I recall this was the subject of a thread several years back and the upshot was yes, local hospitals have antivenins.
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'You don't have to be afraid of everything you don't understand'
~Louise Perica~
"Never put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until next week."
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Barney
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Re: Snakes
Some interesting updated information about snake bite and the type of aid and action to be taken.
This is written and specifically relevant to Australian snakes and data on how many bites etc, but, the first aid is relevant to all snake bite victims. Explains how venom moves in the body.
Copied from Rob Timmons health advisor.
That bite of summer has well and truly come early this year and with that heat, comes snakes.
This article was written by Rob Timmings
Rob runs a medical/nursing education business Teaching nurses, doctors and paramedics. It’s well worth the read
#ECT4Health
3000 bites are reported annually.
300-500 hospitalisations
2-3 deaths annually.
Average time to death is 12 hours. The urban myth that you are bitten in the yard and die before you can walk from your chook pen back to the house is a load of rubbish.
While not new, the management of snake bite (like a flood/fire evacuation plan or CPR) should be refreshed each season.
Let’s start with a
Basic overview.
There are five genus of snakes in Australia that will harm us (seriously)
Browns, Blacks, Adders, Tigers and Taipans.
All snake venom is made up of huge proteins (like egg white). When bitten, a snake injects some venom into the meat of your limb (NOT into your blood).
This venom can not be absorbed into the blood stream from the bite site.
It travels in a fluid transport system in your body called the lymphatic system (not the blood stream).
Now this fluid (lymph) is moved differently to blood.
Your heart pumps blood around, so even when you are lying dead still, your blood still circulates around the body. Lymph fluid is different. It moves around with physical muscle movement like bending your arm, bending knees, wriggling fingers and toes, walking/exercise etc.
Now here is the thing. Lymph fluid becomes blood after these lymph vessels converge to form one of two large vessels (lymphatic trunks)which are connected to veins at the base of the neck.
Back to the snake bite site.
When bitten, the venom has been injected into this lymph fluid (which makes up the bulk of the water in your tissues).
The only way that the venom can get into your blood stream is to be moved from the bite site in the lymphatic vessels. The only way to do this is to physically move the limbs that were bitten.
Stay still!!! Venom can’t move if the victim doesn’t move.
Stay still!!
Remember people are not bitten into their blood stream.
In the 1980s a technique called Pressure immobilisation bandaging was developed to further ****** venom movement. It completely stops venom /lymph transport toward the blood stream.
A firm roll bandage is applied directly over the bite site (don’t wash the area).
Technique:
Three steps: keep them still
Step 1
Apply a bandage over the bite site, to an area about 10cm above and below the bite.
Step 2:
Then using another elastic roller bandage, apply a firm wrap from Fingers/toes all the way to the armpit/groin.
The bandage needs to be firm, but not so tight that it causes fingers or toes to turn purple or white. About the tension of a sprain bandage.
Step 3:
Splint the limb so the patient can’t walk or bend the limb.
Do nots:
Do not cut, incise or suck the venom.
Do not EVER use a tourniquet
Don’t remove the shirt or pants - just bandage over the top of clothing.
Remember movement (like wriggling out of a shirt or pants) causes venom movement.
DO NOT try to catch, kill or identify the snake!!! This is important.
In hospital we NO LONGER NEED to know the type of snake; it doesn’t change treatment.
5 years ago we would do a test on the bite, blood or urine to identify the snake so the correct anti venom can be used.
BUT NOW...
we don’t do this. Our new Antivenom neutralises the venoms of all the 5 listed snake genus, so it doesn’t matter what snake bit the patient.
Read that again- one injection for all snakes!
Polyvalent is our one shot wonder, stocked in all hospitals, so most hospitals no longer stock specific Antivenins.
Australian snakes tend to have 3 main effects in differing degrees.
Bleeding - internally and bruising.
Muscles paralysed causing difficulty talking, moving & breathing.
Pain
In some snakes severe muscle pain in the limb, and days later the bite site can break down forming a nasty wound.
Allergy to snakes is rarer than winning lotto twice.
Final tips: not all bitten people are envenomated and only those starting to show symptoms above are given antivenom.
Did I mention to stay still.
~Rob Timmings
Kingston/Robe Health Advisory
#vrarescue #snakebite
This is written and specifically relevant to Australian snakes and data on how many bites etc, but, the first aid is relevant to all snake bite victims. Explains how venom moves in the body.
Copied from Rob Timmons health advisor.
That bite of summer has well and truly come early this year and with that heat, comes snakes.
This article was written by Rob Timmings
Rob runs a medical/nursing education business Teaching nurses, doctors and paramedics. It’s well worth the read
#ECT4Health
3000 bites are reported annually.
300-500 hospitalisations
2-3 deaths annually.
Average time to death is 12 hours. The urban myth that you are bitten in the yard and die before you can walk from your chook pen back to the house is a load of rubbish.
While not new, the management of snake bite (like a flood/fire evacuation plan or CPR) should be refreshed each season.
Let’s start with a
Basic overview.
There are five genus of snakes in Australia that will harm us (seriously)
Browns, Blacks, Adders, Tigers and Taipans.
All snake venom is made up of huge proteins (like egg white). When bitten, a snake injects some venom into the meat of your limb (NOT into your blood).
This venom can not be absorbed into the blood stream from the bite site.
It travels in a fluid transport system in your body called the lymphatic system (not the blood stream).
Now this fluid (lymph) is moved differently to blood.
Your heart pumps blood around, so even when you are lying dead still, your blood still circulates around the body. Lymph fluid is different. It moves around with physical muscle movement like bending your arm, bending knees, wriggling fingers and toes, walking/exercise etc.
Now here is the thing. Lymph fluid becomes blood after these lymph vessels converge to form one of two large vessels (lymphatic trunks)which are connected to veins at the base of the neck.
Back to the snake bite site.
When bitten, the venom has been injected into this lymph fluid (which makes up the bulk of the water in your tissues).
The only way that the venom can get into your blood stream is to be moved from the bite site in the lymphatic vessels. The only way to do this is to physically move the limbs that were bitten.
Stay still!!! Venom can’t move if the victim doesn’t move.
Stay still!!
Remember people are not bitten into their blood stream.
In the 1980s a technique called Pressure immobilisation bandaging was developed to further ****** venom movement. It completely stops venom /lymph transport toward the blood stream.
A firm roll bandage is applied directly over the bite site (don’t wash the area).
Technique:
Three steps: keep them still
Step 1
Apply a bandage over the bite site, to an area about 10cm above and below the bite.
Step 2:
Then using another elastic roller bandage, apply a firm wrap from Fingers/toes all the way to the armpit/groin.
The bandage needs to be firm, but not so tight that it causes fingers or toes to turn purple or white. About the tension of a sprain bandage.
Step 3:
Splint the limb so the patient can’t walk or bend the limb.
Do nots:
Do not cut, incise or suck the venom.
Do not EVER use a tourniquet
Don’t remove the shirt or pants - just bandage over the top of clothing.
Remember movement (like wriggling out of a shirt or pants) causes venom movement.
DO NOT try to catch, kill or identify the snake!!! This is important.
In hospital we NO LONGER NEED to know the type of snake; it doesn’t change treatment.
5 years ago we would do a test on the bite, blood or urine to identify the snake so the correct anti venom can be used.
BUT NOW...
we don’t do this. Our new Antivenom neutralises the venoms of all the 5 listed snake genus, so it doesn’t matter what snake bit the patient.
Read that again- one injection for all snakes!
Polyvalent is our one shot wonder, stocked in all hospitals, so most hospitals no longer stock specific Antivenins.
Australian snakes tend to have 3 main effects in differing degrees.
Bleeding - internally and bruising.
Muscles paralysed causing difficulty talking, moving & breathing.
Pain
In some snakes severe muscle pain in the limb, and days later the bite site can break down forming a nasty wound.
Allergy to snakes is rarer than winning lotto twice.
Final tips: not all bitten people are envenomated and only those starting to show symptoms above are given antivenom.
Did I mention to stay still.
~Rob Timmings
Kingston/Robe Health Advisory
#vrarescue #snakebite
Re: Snakes
i did get once spitted in the eye by a spitting cobra , so i went that time to nonghan local hospital (18 years ago) and they did have anti venom for this but they did a test and i did not needed it , they did send me to the hospital pharmacy to buy the anti venom ,520 baht , but i got my money back as i did not needed it , what they did is gave me an injection with a substance (?) in my arm what made a small bump , circled it with a pen , and if within 30min the bump expanded outside this circle i needed anti venom? , what wasn't the case ,they did flush my eye extensive with fluid , i also did this at home with the water hose just after the spit , i did have about a week problem with my eyesight and for about 3 day's some green substance on my pillow in mornings ...as info 
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My dog hates snakes and he is quite good at killing them. I worry about him getting bit but apparently he is fast enough to avoid bites. I did see him being squirted in the eyes by a spitting cobra. I quickly grabbed a garden hose and washed out his eyes. He stumbled around bumping into things for three days or so but he got over it and things returned to normal. Now he hates snakes even more. I don't like him killing harmless snakes but he kills them all.
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Barney. If you ever have the opportunity to visit a small island called Boole Poole off Metung and south of Lakes Entrance. The island is full of bush. Many years ago we visited this island many times shooting Hog Deer. One trip we camped on the island for 3 nights chasing deer and we saw that many different coloured tiger snakes. One morning as we were walking through the bush, I counted 14-16 tigers, and we were sleeping in the open bush among them. One bloke was bitten, but the fangs did not penetrate his new pair of cord jeans, lucky, he would not have got off the island alive.
An island further down is Snake Island, full of them as well. I have been chased by blacks twice, the 12 guage fixed that problem.
An island further down is Snake Island, full of them as well. I have been chased by blacks twice, the 12 guage fixed that problem.