EMS First Responder

[trubrit]

There will be a 3 day course on the above at The Chareon Hotel. Udon, 8th-10th October 09.All Farang/Thai couples are invited to participate.It is a training course with test and certification at the end.You will see from the attached itinerary that it will be conducted by qualified Doctors and Nurses, with fully hands on training.
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For those that want to make a difference in the community rather than just socialising, this is your chance .

[rjj04]

Good idea, but why is it for just "foreigner and Thai wife"... soooooo if I need to help somebody in the future, say somebody who has been stabbed at the bar, I can not do it without my non-existent Thai wife by my side? No matter, let the bugger die waiting for the EMS crew

[marcusb]

I do find it odd that they discuss "the culture and relationship between a foreigner and his wife in Udon Thani Province" and CPR, immobilization etc at the same seminar.
That said it, it does sound like an interesting course. First aid skills are always beneficial.
What are the costs for the seminar? Do we have to pre-register or just show up at the registration time listed?
Thanks,
marcus

[trubrit]

Good idea, but why is it for just "foreigner and Thai wife"... soooooo if I need to help somebody in the future, say somebody who has been stabbed at the bar, I can not do it without my non-existent Thai wife by my side? No matter, let the bugger die waiting for the EMS crew

A bit of background to this may explain. This has evolved from the meetings at Nong Wor Sor hospital which initially centred around the Farang having different blood groups than the Thai.From there the discussion went to the obvious elderly farang and the likelyhood of him having a medical emergency which his wife wouldn't know how to handle. Hence the emphasise of this meeting. Its purpose is not confined to helping any particular section of the community. It is in fact a step along the road to appointing husband and wife teams to operate as a "Rescue" service out here in the villages.
You can imagine the benefit of having an English speaking person on hand in time of need.But that is for the future.

[trubrit]

I do find it odd that they discuss "the culture and relationship between a foreigner and his wife in Udon Thani Province" and CPR, immobilization etc at the same seminar.
That said it, it does sound like an interesting course. First aid skills are always beneficial.
What are the costs for the seminar? Do we have to pre-register or just show up at the registration time listed?
Thanks,
marcus

I think my previous post may explain Marcus.
The seminar is free but places are naturally limited due to the nature of it .So if anyone is seriously interested please PM and I will do my best to add your name to the list .I am only the go between though, not the project manager .

[jimboLV]

Trubrit thanks for posting, this sounds worthwhile. I have a few questions.

I assume there is no charge for this training. Is there any commitment required or expected?

Will the course be taught in English, Thai, or both? If not both, will translators be available?

It says foreigner and wife, but Is the course open to singles?

Is pre-registration required?

Would the training be appropriate for a woman who is six months pregnant? I have had similar training in the US and wouldn't see any problem but I don't know what nuances the Thai might put on it. It looks pretty standard to me.

Or if you could give a contact number that could answer the above that would be fine.

Thanks again.

[trubrit]

Trubrit thanks for posting, this sounds worthwhile. I have a few questions.

Q I assume there is no charge for this training. Is there any commitment required or expected?
ANo charge, no future commitment

Q Will the course be taught in English, Thai, or both? If not both, will translators be available?
A Instruction will be in both languages and translators will be on hand .

Q It says foreigner and wife, but Is the course open to singles?
A Couples are preferred unless you fancy giving mouth to mouth to one of the nurses .

Q Is pre-registration required?
A Places are limited so its best to reserve one .( I can do that for you )

Q Would the training be appropriate for a woman who is six months pregnant? I have had similar training in the US and wouldn't see any problem but I don't know what nuances the Thai might put on it. It looks pretty standard to me.
A Unable to answer that as it will involve some bending and stooping., but will ask if you are interested in coming .

Q Or if you could give a contact number that could answer the above that would be fine.
A Have been asked to handle initial enquiries . The secretary/nurse doesn't speak english, but if you care to give me an email contact by PM I am sure your wife could ask her.

Thanks again.

[jimboLV]

Thanks TB, I'll talk it over with the wife and let you know. We've got company coming in around that time but I'm not sure exactly when (neither is she at this point).

[Bandung_Dero]

OK good thoughts, but as expats tread extremely carefully. Only takes a hyper active, fanatical Thai bystander to really put the good Samaritan Farang in the Pooh. IMHO Unless you have ---- loads of 3rd party insurance stray clear of it.

[Aardvark]

OK good thoughts, but as expats tread extremely carefully. Only takes a hyper active, fanatical Thai bystander to really put the good Samaritan Farang in the Pooh. IMHO Unless you have ---- loads of 3rd party insurance stray clear of it.

I agree, have been trained in CPR and General First Aid from my Navy days in the seventies through to now (we have to re-qualify every two years) I have a couple of problems with what they want to teach.... firstly Triage, in my opinion this can not be performed by anyone who is not at least a trained Nurse !! Secondly removing a helmet from a Motor cycle rider is a definite no no unless the patient is in danger of strangulation or suffocation and should be left for Paramedics to do on arrival, unless you want to risk causing permanent paralysis to your patient. Thirdly,as BD suggests, you are open to prosecution in a court of law if a patient is injured or Dies while in your care !! Wazza where are you ??

[trubrit]

I get the impression from the last two posts they are suggesting if you come across an accident that you should do as the Thais tend to do . Nothing just stand and gawp.Right or wrong?
Even a small amount of knowledge would possibly be a lot more than others in the crowd, so may be of benefit. Certainly better than being bundled onto the back of a pick up truck as tends to happen now.

[Aardvark]

Don't take it personally TB....

[trubrit]

Don't take it personally TB....

I am not.Just wondering what you suggest we should do?

[Prenders88]

A three day course seems a bit sparse.
9.30-10.30 The relantionship between THE FOREIGNER and THAI WIFE.
What's that got do with trauma?

Wazza????

[Aardvark]

Try to understand Thai Law on this subject first, and then analyse the subjects offered and how they will affect you and also how family will react if you try to save a life and it all goes wrong, we are whipping posts here far toooo often, regardless of intent. I think you will find that in Thailand if you touch an injured person you are responsible for the ultimate outcome. If it makes you feel any better, the Law here is similar !!

[trubrit]

Try to understand Thai Law on this subject first, and then analyse the subjects offered and how they will affect you and also how family will react if you try to save a life and it all goes wrong, we are whipping posts here far toooo often, regardless of intent. I think you will find that in Thailand if you touch an injured person you are responsible for the ultimate outcome. If it makes you feel any better, the Law here is similar !!

So , answer my question. What do you suggest we do? Stand and gawp? I agree a little knowledge can be dangerous , but no knowledge certainly is .
You seem to be under the impression that the DR's involved do not know their subject, but you do . It could be that the information on helmet removal maybe advise when it shouldn't occur . How do you know? The answer is , you don't. So, waitand see .

[trubrit]

A three day course seems a bit sparse.
9.30-10.30 The relantionship between THE FOREIGNER and THAI WIFE.
What's that got do with trauma?

Wazza????

From reading this forum I get the impression it can be very traumatic at times .

[papaguido]

Try to understand Thai Law on this subject first, and then analyse the subjects offered and how they will affect you and also how family will react if you try to save a life and it all goes wrong, we are whipping posts here far toooo often, regardless of intent. I think you will find that in Thailand if you touch an injured person you are responsible for the ultimate outcome. If it makes you feel any better, the Law here is similar !!

I think that's it in a nut shell. However, I also think it depends on the circumstances, I'm not going to jump into something that may end up biting me in the ass. Unlike some places in the US I would have some protection under the "Good Samaritan Law"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

Here one takes their chances, if things go tits up I may end up being at fault solely for monetary gain despite my humanitarian effort. No thanks, I'll just drive on

[trubrit]

I think that's it in a nut shell. However, I also think it depends on the circumstances, I'm not going to jump into something that may end up biting me in the ass. Unlike some places in the US I would have some protection under the "Good Samaritan Law"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

Here one takes their chances, if things go tits up I may end up being at fault solely for monetary gain despite my humanitarian effort. No thanks, I'll just drive on

Thank you Rito, at least you have the courage of your convictions, unlike some .So I presume you will understand when we drive on bye if we see you or someone from the family , lying in the road.

[Mainer]

OK good thoughts, but as expats tread extremely carefully. Only takes a hyper active, fanatical Thai bystander to really put the good Samaritan Farang in the Pooh. IMHO Unless you have ---- loads of 3rd party insurance stray clear of it.

I agree, have been trained in CPR and General First Aid from my Navy days in the seventies through to now (we have to re-qualify every two years) I have a couple of problems with what they want to teach.... firstly Triage, in my opinion this can not be performed by anyone who is not at least a trained Nurse !! Secondly removing a helmet from a Motor cycle rider is a definite no no unless the patient is in danger of strangulation or suffocation and should be left for Paramedics to do on arrival, unless you want to risk causing permanent paralysis to your patient. Thirdly,as BD suggests, you are open to prosecution in a court of law if a patient is injured or Dies while in your care !! Wazza where are you ??

OMG !! What is it with you 2 from Perth, Australia? Must be something, because I have never heard such total disregard for human life. And all for the sake of your money. God help you if you are choking in a remote restaurant and no one performs the heimlich maneuver on you.

I think you will find that in Thailand if you touch an injured person you are responsible for the ultimate outcome.

When you know for sure about this Thai law you speak of, let us all know. I know I would appreciate knowing.