Worms for bait

Post by **bumper** » October 2, 2012, 11:27 am

Anyone know where you can buy a few?

Post by **trubrit** » October 2, 2012, 11:33 am

My kid pulls the tails off of jinjoks they keep wriggling for ages .

Post by **bumper** » October 2, 2012, 11:38 am

Thanks But, I want earth worms. We are using sticky rice, they bite that but it is very hard to keep on the hook.

Thought about trying did a few myself. But in the entire time I have been here I don't recall seeing any worms when when I dug.

Post by **parrot** » October 2, 2012, 11:49 am

bump, I've never seen worms for sale, but if you're trying to catch catfish, crickets work very well. There are live cricket vendors at most of the weekly markets (ตลาดนัด) around town. Twenty baht will get you plenty of bait.

Another option is meal worms. They're very small, but catfish and talapia seem to like them. You can find them at most of the bilbul (นกหัวจุก) vendors.....several are in the back area of the Bangkok Hospital. Ask for nawhn nok (หนอนนก).

Post by **bumper** » October 2, 2012, 1:30 pm

Thanks I'm going for Pla Nin, they like the sticky rice. Thai's seem to get it to stay on the hook, darned if I know how.

We can sale up to nine Kilos a day, at one market. I dread it. But, I think I will have learn to use the net. The poles are for fun.

We fished for Lunch, on Sunday with bamboo poles. Caught five and had lunch for seven people. It was fun. Had the kid out there catching them they got a kick out of it.

Thanks Again

Post by **bumper** » October 2, 2012, 6:27 pm

A Thai friend found me some red worms. Four Casts four fish in Min's.

I'll get him to show me what he did.

Selling little amounts daily, this may just settle my net casting problem. =D>

I may try to start a worm farm and supply the local fishing places a well as use them for fishing and top grade fertilizer.

Today it was catching not fishing $\:D/$

Post by **rick** » October 3, 2012, 6:54 pm

Some of the fishing tackle shops sell worms, i uised to get them at the one on Adunyadet road. 20 baht i think. Alternative baits are sandwich bread (squeeze hard so it stays on), paste made from pellets and shrimps.

Post by **bumper** » October 3, 2012, 7:01 pm

I'm trying to make contact with a worm farmer in Rio Et, who sales worms by the kilo. Doesn't seem to be anything like that in Udon. That way i get my bait may be able to sell a bit as well. They say worm castings are the best compost you can buy.

All new to me like everything else. I checked out a site on it doesn't seem that difficult. Getting the worms will be tough part to get started. My friend ran out of worms at his house. He will check his brother tomorrow.

We caught and sold three kilos of medium size fish for 180 baht today. The only reason I'm selling now is to reduce the population in the pond. I simply have to many for the size of my pond. So 60 baht is better then a sharp stick in the eye. Have an order or two kilo tomorrow.

I could easily sale 600 to get to the right amount for my pond.

People want these things caught in the morning, man that sun is really hot in the morning hours. I would much rather do it in the evenings. So I]m getting a cement holding pond built nothing big 1 meter his, 1meter wide and 2 meters long. The I can just net them out when people want them. I will install a filter and air system and we shoud be good to go. I will put shade over it so the water doesn't get to hot.

Bit I need those worms

Post by **bumper** » October 3, 2012, 7:03 pm

Is that shop the one just by the rail road tracks? He had a supplier in Loie. But doesn't have any now.

I thnk he has the number for the guy in Loie so I might try that.

Post by **rick** » October 3, 2012, 8:09 pm

No, tackle shop down just past Don Bosco, coming from Nong Sim towards town; at the start of the straight bit of road it is about 50 yards down on left hand side. Also, i did meet a lady who grows frogs and feeds them worms, had a small worm farm; however that was out at Ban Nadi (off the NBL road out past the new Tesco). Had a tour of her setup,if your interested in trying to set up a worm farm i can tell you about it.

Post by **bumper** » October 4, 2012, 12:18 pm

Thank I have made the contact in Rio Et, I will be going there on the 28th and pick up two kilos and learn how to care for them. So I will have bait for sale in November. In the meantime I will try to find the one your talking about.

It's amazing how these fish bite on them. I'm building a holding tank now, with a filter and air system. People order them the day before which means fishing in the morning and when that Sun comes up it is really hot and miserable. With the tank I can just keep a supply in there and scoop up when I need them. Hobby is good work is not LOL

We went out and bought rid and reels, truth is the bamboo pole is easier and faster. Sold another two Kilos today, going give them a break for awhile. Till we have things sit up.

I think where it will get tricky is knowing when to buy the next fry, it takes about nine months to get market size fish. Well I'm having fun and staying busy $\:D/$

Post by **bumper** » October 5, 2012, 6:16 pm

Great Directions I found the place you were talking about. They didn't have any, she explained that she ha them in rainy season. So with the rain we had she will probably have them tomorrow

I was really hoping to avoid the trip to Roi Et But, that be will what I have to do.

My goal is to have bait available all year round. Use some my self sell to others if the want some. Use the c compost for myself. Might be some time before I have enough that to sale to others. As far as I can tell I will be the only game in town except for rainy days

We don't have large property so the hobby farm has to stick to small projects. Not going to get much smaller then this.

This is an iteresting side note the reason she has worms after rain is they can't swim.

Anyone know if they can eat left over rice?

Post by **rick** » October 5, 2012, 10:16 pm

Glad you found it. Strange excuse, last year i bought them in mid-November. Maybe only have a lot if a good rainy season. I don't think rice would work well, too much problem with rats. i was shown them being fed mainly with spoiled fruit and veg.

On the fry front, depends how many ponds you have. if only the one, probably best to run on an annual cycle, 9 months to grow, 2 months to catch and sell, and one month fallow to get rid of pests and predators and to re-fertilize.

Post by **bumper** » October 6, 2012, 10:47 am

Yes I have one pond that I can take the fish out of and setup net cages to grow the fry. The first time we did this we didn't have the cement walls around the property. We loss every fish as the fish came of if the rice paddy, they are a preditor fish.

This time I grew them in the net cages, over bought expecting to lose some. Well I didn't so now I have reduce the number in the big pond. We bought 2,000 this time next time 1,000 and we get up to a reasonable size them move them to the other pond.

I only sale locally so I will be catching the original fish for some time to come. We have now built a 3 met x 2met x3 met, holding tank. That allows me to fish in the evening when I want and people will get the fresh fish in the morning.

I still have to decide if I want to buy a kilo of worms about 1,000 in each kilo or two kilo's. They are not cheap 2500 Baht a kilo, They reproduce every sixty days, I'm not anticipating people beating my doors them.

As far as I know we will be the only ones doing this locally. If people were going to beat the doors down, I'm sure someone would have already done it.

Really simple stuff and it will make my hobby a little easier.

Post by **bumper** » October 8, 2012, 9:45 am

Interesting been raining so I stopped by the shop again. They had sold out already. This time I talked to the guy, he told me they ordered them from Khan Kean. I ordered a kilo about 1,000. Half the prices of Roi Et. So I hope this works I don't want to go to E Rio Et to do this unless I have to.

Fingers crossed on timing

Post by **Shado** » October 8, 2012, 10:45 am

Years ago I used to keep a small worm box for raising fishing worms. Not a commercial operation but just to have bait for my friends and myself. Coffee grounds and used tea bags were the main food given to them. They grew and multiplied very well.

Post by **bumper** » October 8, 2012, 1:06 pm

Thanks Shado I will be doing much the same didn't know about coffee grounds and tea bags both we have daily.

I don't envision this becoming commercial although I might be able to supply the local fishing shops eventually.

That would be easier for them and not big problem for me.

Post by **Shado** » October 8, 2012, 2:03 pm

Worms like about any kind of uncooked vegetable or fruit matter. Even leaves and grass cuttings. I added vermiculite to my box just to make it easier to separate the worms from the soil. If adding vegetable or fruit left overs it helps to chop it up pretty fine. You will soon start to see the worm eggs/cocoons. They look a lot like lemon seeds.

Good luck.

Post by **bumper** » October 8, 2012, 5:05 pm

Grass cuttings got bunch of that as well. I put about then in today, cost me less then 450 baht to make the containers, including what I hope was compost, hard to tell here. I also took about six mushroom plants containers in and broke it up as fine as I could and mixed it in with the the compost.

I wasn't sure of what to do with tea bags. so I opened them and just put in the tea itself in.

The containers are designed so the liquid will gather in the bottom container. Supposed to be very potent fertilizer. I might be able to us the to make algae in the pond. Right now I use a very expensive fertilizer.

This will give an idea of what I'm trying to do. I haven't added the third box yet. The is idea is to get the worms to move to the top and then you have some great compost.

Like everything else I do a learning adventure, I just hope I can get the worms here, instead of Rio Et.

Post by **Shado** » October 8, 2012, 5:36 pm

You can just toss in the tea bags. I always pulled off the string. Shreaded newspaper also works to keep the worm bedding loose. Here is a link about setting up your worm box.

http://www.wormpoop.com/WormBed/WormBed.htm