Something to watch for with a tile roof

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Something to watch for with a tile roof

Post by fremmel » July 3, 2008, 6:39 pm

If you've got the standard tile roof you might want to check and make sure that there's not a lot of dead leaves or other debris piling up in the valleys. During the torrential downpour today water started pouring down one of our inside walls. I went up in the attic to see where the roof was leaking and found water streaming in from half way down one of the valleys. There were a couple of leaves poking out between the tiles and the valley metal where the water was coming in so I pulled them, and whatever else I could grab, out and the water stopped coming in. When the rain let up I went outside to check the roof and, sure enough, the valleys were piled high with gunk.

So, something else to go on the periodic maintenance list.



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Post by AussieBoy » July 4, 2008, 2:03 pm

Metal gable roof , with no valleys, one le3ss job I'll have to do
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Post by aznyron » July 4, 2008, 2:35 pm

do not install gutters & leaders and your problem is solved except for the holes the rain will make in the soil and create loads of mud but then you can always concrete the walk way around the house or place some stones. I have idea dig a long & big hole about 3 meters (10FT) deep and about 6 CM wide (2 ft) and dump some gravel in the hole and fill it make it the length of the house and most of the problem will be eliminated (make sure the gravel stones are not to small ) it act like a leech field except it only rain water not sewage

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Post by saint » July 4, 2008, 2:37 pm

well the house im building now has a total of 12, yes 12 valleys , someones going to be busy i guess, and its not going to be me !!!!!! :shock: :shock:

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Post by fremmel » July 5, 2008, 7:57 am

Actually, the problem was with the roof valleys, not with the gutters. This house doesn't have any. The valley metal was done on the cheap (what a surprise) and wasn't wide enough to prevent spills when trash in the valley dammed up the water.

Wow, 12 valleys. I though the house I'm building now was getting messy when I designed the roof with just 4 valleys and 5 hips.

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Post by saint » July 5, 2008, 10:09 am

the wife wanted a fancy roof, so i designed a fancy roof. its a work of art !!!!!! the builder was a little concerned when he saw the plans, but i told him to look on it as a challenge. :D :D :D

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Post by tamada » July 25, 2008, 12:36 pm

Only 1 valley on my casa and the bro-in-law tested that before the rainy season and so far, no worries.

12 valleys though? That will be a bit peng nah?

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Post by LoveDaBlues » July 26, 2008, 7:43 am

AussieBoy wrote:Metal gable roof , with no valleys, one le3ss job I'll have to do
HUH, WHAT.....I CAN'T HEAR YOU......I'M INSIDE YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S RAINING REALLY HARD........

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Post by Aardvark » July 26, 2008, 11:23 am

Insulation fixes that problem 8)

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Post by laphanphon » July 26, 2008, 11:53 am

also like the tile roofs, color selection, noise, looks much better, but you can't walk on it. and it breaks rather easy, if ex girlfriend wants her clothes back and decides to bomb the house. how's that Galee, flashback.

new apartment i'm in, has real roof, not sure what that is, but around everyplace else is the colored metal roof, not the coragated stuff that looks like fencing, and i have walked on it, over the metal supports of course, it's still tinnish. but looks nice and yes a bit noisier, but if i ever, well, i will, build again, i think i go with that stuff, with a good, non wood base, so i can walk anywhere and less noise. but i kind of like hearing the rain.

any use of my senses is stimulated, well, with the exception of that speaker on the pole. though, while rambling, a lass was on there yesterday, no annoying loud music to announce her arrival, and spoke at a normal tone and, VOLUME. could actually undersand her, if i spoke thai. to it's not the system, it's the one who just likes to hear themselves talk. hmm, :oops: that sounds a little too close to home :oops:

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Post by polehawk » July 26, 2008, 5:16 pm

Sounds like you're starting to get used to the noise from the pole speakers, LA. You've found a home. :lol:

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Post by laphanphon » July 26, 2008, 11:01 pm

starting to get used to the noise from the pole speakers
sadly not, but just goes to show, they can actual use them without being totally arrogant and obnoxous to their fellow neighbors. unless i see something nice, which not seriously looking, i'll be here for another 6 months, but doubt any longer. unless i find a perfect lot and decide to build another right away, which is also doubtful. place is a little noisier than i want, but not as bad as others i hear about, but could use some more ac's, that i'm not going to buy. just too hot, don't mind the extra 1000 baht a month for ac's, but fans just aren't cutting it. 8)

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Post by fremmel » July 27, 2008, 9:12 am

Actually, if the tiles are the common glazed concrete tiles and not clay tiles you can walk on them without a problem. I've walked on mine. CPAC ads say they're strong enough to run on but I'm not going to try that out.

For the heat, for my last 2 rental houses I've added fiberglass insulation over the ceilings of the rooms I use most. I figure it's paid for itself over the course of a year in terms of smaller electric bills and increased comfort.

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Post by laphanphon » July 27, 2008, 9:27 am

my next house will be double walled and doubled roof/shaded roof. made double wall on one side of old house and the rest of exterior walls fairly shaded. lesson learned. the block is too cheap not to simply make double wall. before shaded or doubled, inside temps were at leas 5 degrees more than outside on sunny days.

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Post by LoveDaBlues » July 27, 2008, 1:53 pm

la - are you talking about double-walled using the red brick with an air space between the two rows? Perhaps some insulation between the rows?

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Post by laphanphon » July 27, 2008, 2:31 pm

no, the very expensive 4 baht thin cinder block things. work very well without insulation. they always put down there concrete and wire, then a row of block on one edge, i simply added another row on the other edge, with few inches of air in between. outside hot to touch, inside, cool as can be. too easy, too cheap. :D

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Post by fremmel » July 28, 2008, 7:31 am

With my house I added 2" fiberglass batts in the void between the double block walls. It more than doubled the R-value for around 5,000 baht for 52 meters of outside walls. When the walls were going up, but before adding the insulation, on a sunlit wall you could only feel a little difference between the inside surface of the second wall and an interior wall but after the insulation they both felt the same. The added insulation probably won't make much difference with the windows open but I think it will help when the AC's are on.

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Post by Guns482 » July 28, 2008, 7:42 am

When I purchased my house it has two very long valleys, however as the Thai's tile so the the valleys have a small space between the tiles, it meant that birds, leaves and anything else that liked to spend time in the shadow used it.
After about three years I had the same thing happen, water inside the house.
I contacted my local roofer Thai and I made him cut the tiles so that the valley gap was about 3 inches wide. NOW no leaves, birds or anything else and no water inside the house.
I have guttera and tanks to catch the water, they in itself do not affect water off the roof. Insulkation would just hide a probelm until it got bad.
Just check the gap in the valley if you cannot see the underlying steel or aluminum sheet, have the gap made wider, an electronic tile cutter willdo the trick. it saves thousands in replacing a roof, and all the hassle that goes with a repair. it is not a repair just a commonsense approach to a simple problem made more difficult as Thai builders lack in commonsense.
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Post by turbo » July 31, 2008, 9:37 pm

The other thing that caught me is in roof valleys is something similar to to what I saw in this post.
invalid roof flashing. If the flashing material is not sufficient it will lead to repairs since the default stuff they sell for the metal that sits under the valley is too thin and the water will slash in during a heavy rain!

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