Farang Policeman

Post by **RALPHCUSENS** » July 29, 2008, 1:32 pm

It would seem to me that there is some posters, that will "knock" the Thai police at any given opportunity, IMHO, we are here on a short leash, but we came here under our own free will, knowing, that Thai culture, laws and way of life, was vastly different to that which most of us are used to.

I personally, have never in the eight years I have been here, ever experienced any thing but courteousy and respect from the Thai police.

As for "money stops", I have found that on being stopped at a check point, if you have all the legally required paperwork, ie, Licence, insurance & tax, then there is no problem, if you have not, then what do you expect? what would happen in your home country?, certainly not a 200 bht fine!

Back to the topic, Farang policemen.

I am of the opinion that if they wish to volunteer, that is their prerogative,
and I for one applaud them, at least they are trying to do something of benefit to others in their spare time.

As far as I can see, there are a number of positive points, that the contribute, that could make our life in Thailand that much better, I do not intend to restate them as they have been said a number of times before.

If anybody knows of any reason why they should not volunteer I would like to hear them!

Post by **bigwavedave** » July 29, 2008, 2:52 pm

Im sorry Fuk44 i think you have me mixed up with someone else, i am neither a big mouth or a bully and i have said nothing here detremental to the Farang Police... Look again!!!

Post by **Guns482** » July 30, 2008, 9:26 am

It is bad enough with some farangs fighting in the streets and some behaving like spoilt children without a member offering to rearrange another members bodily parts at a location speciffically made for the exchange of fistcuffs.
Gentlemen, please, adults we all are, some may get hot under the collar, but making those types of offers is unaccepotable behaviour.
As far as I know calling anyone a PET to someone else is extraordinarily rude and completely out of context to the spirit of the post.
Whatever farangs do in this country no-one could accuse them of being someones PET, they do freely and with a concious thought that they may help a fellow farang.
Bear that in mind when you see them or even maybe speak with one. They are altruistic by nature,and are there for your benifit.

Post by **english.farang** » July 30, 2008, 10:43 am

fuk44 wrote:[-one day you might need help (i hope not) but every body sometimes needs help.? then you will be greatfull we are here.? you should try one day giveing something back helping people you might find its good.? =D> but if any body like bigwavedave or aussie ect wants to punch kick the tourist police vounteer you are welcome all you need to do is come to the mauy thai boxing school in udon sports ground (just down from harrys bar) ime there from 17.30 till 19.00 monday=friday..but like all big mouths bullies i will not hold my breath any body will turn up.?? =D>

Fuk 44, Are you saying that you are a volunteer of the Tourist Police? if that be the case, I would suggest that you consider another way of filling your free time, as I would imagine that one of the attributes required to carry out the functions of a Volunteer, would be an ability to access situations, extract the facts, so as to defuse potential misunderstandings,
or conflicts.

Your last post, shows none of these attributes.

Bigwavedave, nowhere in his posts has said anything derogatory on this matter, or any other matter!

Aussie, Same applies!

So how if you cannot grasp the facts when they are written, how can one be confident that you would be able to in a heated situation?

As far as a Tourist Police Volunteer offering physical violence, thats beyond belief!!!!!!

Post by **LoveDaBlues** » July 30, 2008, 11:03 am

english.farang wrote:
fuk44 wrote:[-one day you might need help (i hope not) but every body sometimes needs help.? then you will be greatfull we are here.? you should try one day giveing something back helping people you might find its good.? =D> but if any body like bigwavedave or aussie ect wants to punch kick the tourist police vounteer you are welcome all you need to do is come to the mauy thai boxing school in udon sports ground (just down from harrys bar) ime there from 17.30 till 19.00 monday=friday..but like all big mouths bullies i will not hold my breath any body will turn up.?? =D>
Fuk 44, Are you saying that you are a volunteer of the Tourist Police? if that be the case, I would suggest that you consider another way of filling your free time, as I would imagine that one of the attributes required to carry out the functions of a Volunteer, would be an ability to access situations, extract the facts, so as to defuse potential misunderstandings,
or conflicts.

Your last post, shows none of these attributes.

Bigwavedave, nowhere in his posts has said anything derogatory on this matter, or any other matter!

Aussie, Same applies!

So how if you cannot grasp the facts when they are written, how can one be confident that you would be able to in a heated situation?

As far as a Tourist Police Volunteer offering physical violence, thats beyond belief!!!!!!

He couldn't pass the mental evaluation of a decent police force. He doesn't agree with someones opinion so he calls them a big mouth bully and challenges them to a fight. Childish reaction but sadly some cops in the states carry this attitude and usually cause more problems than they solve.

I think we know who the bully is.

Post by **BobHelm** » July 30, 2008, 11:48 am

I think if you look at all fuk44's posts it is liable that he a troll and just trying to stir things up.
God forbid that he actually is a Tourist police Volunteer as he his displaying all of the negative attitudes that those who have made an objection about the idea complain about!!

Post by **bigwavedave** » July 30, 2008, 2:17 pm

He is for real... I met him.... He is the tourist policeman i originally saw and started this topic about... Big muscled guy, tatoo's on his neck... English,, not the sort of guy i would like to get in the ring with!!!!!! I actually told him about this topic i had started but the topic was very new and nobody had started slagging them off by then... So he must have taken my advice and joined the forum!!!! Just for a quick look i expect!!!!

Post by **BobHelm** » July 30, 2008, 2:29 pm

Then we really are all lost Dave....

Post by **RALPHCUSENS** » July 30, 2008, 3:15 pm

BobHelm wrote:Then we really are all lost Dave....

I think that you should of said we are all speechless.

Maybe, if Fuk 44 is real, then he would consider replying to the following points;

a. Where on this forum did Bigwave dave say anything that would give you the opinion that he was a bigmouth or a bully?

b. The same question as regards to Aussie boy!

c. Where on the forum, did anyone indicate that they wished to give a tourist police volunteer a punch or a kick?

You will see from my previous post, I had nothing against T.P. Volunteers, however, I sincerely hope, that the attitude that you have displayed, is not the attitude of other T.P. Volunteers!

Post by **westerby** » July 30, 2008, 7:28 pm

How are Farang volunteers vetted? Is there a criminal records check carried out with their home country? How do the Tourist police assess their applicants?

Post by **BKKSTAN** » July 30, 2008, 8:23 pm

I have to say that there seems to be alot of ''worry'' about which falang or what kind of falang is a police volunteer!

Whatever their background is or what there motivation is etc.etc.,seems to me to be of little importance
because I don't think that their job is to investigate,make arrests or in anyway be in charge of falangs!

I believe that there function is to be a liason between the falangs and the police!To try and help with communications and relations with the community and the police!In other words,I believe they are there for our benefit,not there to hassle us or run any power trips!

If I am wrong about this being their functions,someone in the know straighten me out!

If I am right,then straighten out your thinking and get off the criticism,unless you know something specific that is negative!

Then ,by all means,share it with us!

Post by **beer monkey** » July 30, 2008, 8:35 pm

westerbuy wrote:How are Farang volunteers vetted? Is there a criminal records check carried out with their home country? How do the Tourist police assess their applicants?

I would of thought a reasonable amount of phassa thai would be needed, (multi-lingual a bonus.!!)Sure someone that knows of the requirements please post..(it may have been in the past, but didn't search it)

Post by **Guns482** » July 30, 2008, 8:36 pm

You are as always spot on with your understanding, as in all countries a person can assist a police officer IF he/she feels like it, however it is on your headas the majority of the Tourist Police Volunteers are in their later years, just talking will probably be the most most of them will do. There has been some talk of one or two banging heads together, but I know that has been frowned on by the powers that be and similar words have been spoken in a light hearted way to the chaps that said it, with an underlying tone of it is a big no,no.
All in all constructive criticism is good, but not as you say negative criticism.
Now ,oving on to to more mundane things, who has ever had a ny dealings with the tourist police aided by a volunteer, that should spark some comments I am sure.
me i have had none to date.

Post by **beer monkey** » July 30, 2008, 8:40 pm

Guns482 wrote:You are as always spot on with your understanding,

Arrrr thanks Guns.....

lol.

Post by **Guns482** » July 30, 2008, 9:10 pm

lets us take a sensible look at this problem, it was started by the sight of tourist polie Volunteer in the complex wearing a uniform of sorts. it was obviously daytime or at least when the complex was open.
Since then we have knocked ridiculed and even had offers of fisticuffs all over this peson who now seems to been identified.
All in all a right bloody shambles, TPVolunteers are there to help whether you like them or not does not reallly faze them, most of the ones I know ( and I know a few) are decent law abiding chaps and chappesses, who freely give their time when wanted to assist the over-stretched and under-funded Tourist police division of the Royal Thai Police.
They are there primarily to assist Tourists who need assistance, but can deal with crime and will assist Tourists in all matters.
Tourist are classed as anyone who lives here who are not Thai's, long stay or short matters not.
So can we all accept there here to stay, BUT if you see a knwon Touriost Police Volunteer behaving badly and abusing his powers please inform the Tpourist Police Inspector, asap, i for one would with any hesitation, corruption in Thai police although unacceptable is their way of life, corruption in a farang T P Volunteer, i will not condone in any form whatsoever. There I have said it and by God I mean it, and will probaly be dammed for it as well.
Now during the

Post by **fun44** » July 31, 2008, 12:13 am

in reply to ralphcusens points .yes i did make a mistake about bigdavewave .& to that ime SORRY.i will buy you a drink when you see me ok.ime not very good on computers (sprnt to much time in prison dont have computers in cell) but i can lift heavy weights.haha......as for aussie well no...he said he left a police state to get away now the b******s are here i think we all no what the ***** words are & then got to go watch those farlang police try act like humans.....as for some one saying they wanterd to kick/punch i never said ...i said if they want to.? like all thouse farlangs who just go drinking all day/night.then make troble.you no who you are.?as for 90% of ex,pats liveing in udon are good people & all them who no me no what ime about.? thouse of you that dont when you see me on patrol with my pets.?come & speak to me & find out for your self DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER.i may look like a bad man in the past yes 100% but now i live here & i want to help peolpe..ive been here 8 years now & as for the thai police well you no the scor.?ive must have paid the most 200bht out ime on first name terms with the police from udon to pattaya.haha...i hope this ansawers everybodys .? take care all..steve

Post by **Guns482** » July 31, 2008, 8:04 am

Ok steve, thanks for your info, I am sure misunderstandings have occurred and most people will feel better reading your post.
Thoise of us that are aware of you personally understand where you are coming from generally and don't worry too much, however as with allthings there are elements that try to knock whomever for whatever to score points or create underlying distrust of something or someone.
I hope this clears up all matters and we can look at something / or someone else to upset.

Post by **bigwavedave** » July 31, 2008, 8:49 am

Thanks for clearing that up Steve... i can stop planning my escape now!!!!!

if your interested there is a udon map meeting on saturday night at the night market, good time to have a talk with expats and a few beers... Up to you though,, if your on patrol its a good place to be as they are a rowdy lot!!!!!

Post by **38nholding** » July 31, 2008, 9:53 am

Hey Steve ,whats up with the fuk44 avatar. A little out of character ,isn't it. have anything to do with the working girls prefering Asian men?

laphanphon · Post by **laphanphon** » July 31, 2008, 10:00 am

they are a rowdy lot

after half a bottle of water, i am ready to kick me some butt. me and ron can go back to back and take you all on. save me some coconut shavings.

agree, nice of you to chime in, i'll admit i didn't read the whole thread. i have a generic generalize opinion of police of any form. though volenteer does add a better spin to it. and the tourist police, at least in udon thani are an honest and helpful lot, my experiences anyway. that right, a couple times i took them on and.................no, actually they assisted me/advised me in couple incidents to my benefit and i am quite thankful for that.

police are the same world wide, some for the proper reason, to actually help, others for their ego. in corrupt countries, money in the pocket. as i said,i find tourist police here an asset. and the volunteer, though not needed, as most of fluent in english, nice to have a familiar mug when something does happen. help both in calming a situation.

in the beginning when Steve/owner from irish clock, not steve running the place now, was setting things up and asking for volunteers, the thought crossed my mind. 2 fold, to be helpful, and selfish mode, be nice to have a conx somewhere, just in case i ever did get in trouble, which i'm sure crossed everyones mind. but at the time, they wanted some kind of committment to schedule, at least once a week for a whole shift. and lazy F that i am, schedule just doesn't fit with my idea of retirement. plus i have good and bad days, so schedules just don't work anyway.

but glad people like yourself volunteer, no matter how noble or maybe not, but it's got to be a good impression for farang in locals mind. stop down for meeting one of these days.................but man, leave the uniform home, this way you're not responsible when stan/cookiel/ricohol/ronnie and me start fighting over politic/religion and conspiracies. nah, it's safe for you, especially since i got the impression, you one big ..................

i've never seen an incident at the night market yet, never, and that's not just us, the whole beer garden area.

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