ROOF GUTTERING

[Bear]

I am interested to hear members opinions about roof guttering- and their need for it. I possibly have the opportunity to set up a distribution warehouse in the Nong Khai - Udon area. The product is australian designed but made in thailand to compete with the thai market.
With water being scarce this product also offers valuable water saving benefits.
I believe there is great potential for this product. Interested to hear members opinions. BEAR

[Kudjap or Bust]

Any information regarding material used, sizes, prices, pictures if possible of the product?
Unless someone can tell me otherwise as far as I know there's only the galvanised steel type here or some people have split large water pipes and painted.

[Bear]

I am still only in the very early stage of discussions about this product. I will have more info - what it is made of, price, size and any other specs early in the new year. Im sure it will be a far superior product than what is currently available on the thai market, for a comparable price.

[arjay]

Does anyone have any guide prices on the cost of guttering (painted) per installed metre length?

[Farang1]

This probably won't be a whole lotta help.

Someone posted on one of the threads back around January or February, he was starting up a guttering business in Udon. As I recall, it was of Australian design with catch jugs and 1st rain by-pass.

I have been looking for it myself but, I can't, for the life of me, remember the thread it was in.

[beer monkey]

look here farang1...not too much on there though.

http://www.google.co.th/cse?cx=partner- ... &sa=Search

[arjay]

Thanks BM, these two seem to be about as close as I can get, though have heard nothing since from Bear. I wonder if his idea came to fruition.

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/r ... 11487.html

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/p ... t8533.html

I see the price is about 300-400 baht per metre installed. thanks

[sammyg]

Arjay I installed pvc gutters on my house and barn in Seattle area and although the gutters themselves are fair priced all of the couplings to join them togehter,hangers.downspouts,etc. are very expensive.The only places they didn't leak were in the 10' sections of gutters.Within 6 months every joint(has rubber inserts for joining together)leaked. put silicone in joints all the time and all it did was slow the leakage down.I also had the pvc gutters on my house in Montana where thankfully it just rained hard once in a great while and they also leaked like a sive.They are very expensive to install and don't work for CRAP! I would only use metal gutter period I think.If you want you could contact my father in law in Udon which is in the process of putting an add on this site who does all types of construction and he would be happy to give you a free price quote.He does gates,windows,roll up doors,all types construction.His name is Phayu (Phayu Construction)and ph#089-5779312 Hope thi helps but I encourage you to stay away form pvc gutters for sure!SammyG

[MALC]

hi i was intrested in getting my house done. which is a three bed bungalow. i went to homart where they have some beutiful looking upvc. guttering. i got a priceof a mr individual to do my house. who woks at homart. he give me a price off. 35 000 bht. fitted. i have not had the job done yet. as i am trying to find out if thats a reasonable price. what do u udon members think. if u could give me a clue. i whould be grateful. than you. malc.

[Jagrunner]

Roof guttering is mostly a requirement for home owners trying to add on and create a Thai Kitchen right next to the wall behind or adjacent to a side of their home. The plan is to add some roofing and structure to extend the size of the roofed area to the edge of the property wall. A Thai kitchen is then created under the new extra roofed space and also some wash area. To eliminate rain water from falling on the neighbors property, a gutter to catch the water and dispose of it is added right at the property wall. Some people want to catch the water in some big jar or vase and use it to water their flowers and some people want to use it for drinking (not recommended).

Usually only one side or at the most two sides of a house need to have gutter. Or none at all if you can drive your car under the carport and then walk into the house and do not want a Thai style kitchen adjacent to your property line.

The only real reason to have guttering all around the house is if your are building a new house and you want to construct a very large home on a small land area and need to get rid of the rain water through some planned method.

Hard to sell high quality long lasting products to Thai people. Cheap, Cheap, Cheap is the name of the game.

[Stantheman]

Bear,
As just a gee-wiz, at my home in Udon we have guttering (as it helps direct the water away from important areas) but as an important second reason the TW uses it to fill 3 very large containers as a backup water source when city water is not available. Most of the homes in our area have have guttering for that reason.

[Bear]

Sorry I havent posted for a while, been busy going through the process of setting up business. As always here there is something to set you back.
I have a container arriving from Australia end of this month with our imported guttering. We have a Quad gutter made of Galvanised iron, a half round gutter which comes in Zinc Alum and colorbond. The half round comes in a range of colours. We also have a locally made product for the Thai market, based on same design as quad but alot bigger(the thais like this).
Our product comes in 5.85m lengths, brackets spaced at 1m intervals (not 30cm like thai product).The lengths are joined by pop rivets and silicone as are the end plates.
Prices start at around B260 for the quad B360 for the half round to B460 for the Thai gutter (per metre)(not including installation)
10 year guarantee on the imported product.
I will post more once im set up.
Cheers BEAR

[Bear]

Just a quick extra as to the strength of this product. Once installed you can lean a ladder up against the gutter and climb up with no damage to the gutter. This is a test the manufacturer uses with all its guttering. ( a standard test in Australia)

[arjay]

In case anyone gets confused here, I've merged two topics into one.

The reason I want to install guttering is to reduce the amount of water falling onto and flooding the garden, and to avoid/minimise water falling off the roof being blown into windows and the outside kitchen/laundry area, and also to minimise the resultant wear and tear on paintwork and tiled areas.

The only neighbours of mine to have guttering are those, as Jagrunner said above, who have extensions with roofs right close to the boundaries with their neighbours and need to avoid the rain falling over onto their neighbour's land..

The 300-400 baht per metre I've been quoted is for metal guttering, and includes painting. My intention is to install metal not PVC.

[martynsnowman]

Does anyone have any guide prices on the cost of guttering (painted) per installed metre length?

i had about 4mts put on to new car port last week, i bought it from 1 of the pick ups that drive around the village every few days , i,m sure it was about 180bt p/m installed with the down pipe the bill was 1080 bt .

[parrot]

A couple of points about guttering: like all things in life, you usually get what you pay for. There are gutter truck dealers who ply the village streets. Their gutters are very thin and usually spot 'welded' with a soldering iron. The welds will give out with any kind of pressure added to the gutter. Forget about using a ladder to go up to the roof as the ladder will bend the gutter (and further mess up your spot 'welds'. Gutter shops downtown usually sell both low quality and higher quality gutters. Naturally, the higher quality gutter is more expensive. There are also various widths of gutter.....depending on the size/slope of the roof. When time comes for us to replace our poor quality gutters (10 years old), I'll look for someone who has first hand positive experience with a gutter shop.

[fremmel]

A timely thread for me since I'm getting ready to put up some guttering. I went to a sheet metal shop that had done a small job for me - making an exhaust stack with a 90° bend for my gas water heater. He did a first class job for a very reasonable price so I asked him for quotes for guttering. Stainless was 800 bt/m, Windsor vinyl 550 bt/m, galvanized 200 bt/m. We talked some about the stainless and he backed off to 700 bt/m but that's still a lot more than I wanted to go. I assumed he'd negotiate some on the galvanized but it looked like a pretty thin gauge steel with thin galvanizing so I wasn't too interested. He did have a better grade of galvanized stock but I didn't pursue it. I did some looking around for the vinyl and the Windsor shops in town and at Homemart quoted 450 to 550 bt/m installed. But I did find a builders supply south of town where I could buy the Windsor parts for about 300 bt/m with all the corners, downspouts, etc. I liked the idea of a no-rust low maintenance product, the showroom samples looked good, and Windsor has a pretty good reputation for their vinyl windows.

I was getting ready to order the parts and install it myself when I read Sammyg's post. Not very encouraging. Doing a little looking on the web it looks like the DIY vinyl, is that what you used Sammyg?, in the states is a different, lighter weight product with different joints than the Windsor brand stuff. Bear's product sounds good but needs a professional installer and by the time you add that I'm guessing you're up in the 550 - 600 bt/m range for the size that will handle our rain storms. Parrot surprised me by getting 10+ years out of cheap galvanized but over all he doesn't sound real happy with it.

So, I'm back to vinyl or possibly a better grade of galvanized but I worry about getting the paint to stick. I know there are primers that say they're for galvanized but has anyone had good luck with getting paint to actually stick to galvanized for 5 or 10 years here? Or has anyone tried the vinyl here?

[papaguido]

A timely thread for me since I'm getting ready to put up some guttering. I went to a sheet metal shop that had done a small job for me - making an exhaust stack with a 90° bend for my gas water heater. He did a first class job for a very reasonable price so I asked him for quotes for guttering. Stainless was 800 bt/m, Windsor vinyl 550 bt/m, galvanized 200 bt/m. We talked some about the stainless and he backed off to 700 bt/m but that's still a lot more than I wanted to go. I assumed he'd negotiate some on the galvanized but it looked like a pretty thin gauge steel with thin galvanizing so I wasn't too interested. He did have a better grade of galvanized stock but I didn't pursue it. I did some looking around for the vinyl and the Windsor shops in town and at Homemart quoted 450 to 550 bt/m installed. But I did find a builders supply south of town where I could buy the Windsor parts for about 300 bt/m with all the corners, downspouts, etc. I liked the idea of a no-rust low maintenance product, the showroom samples looked good, and Windsor has a pretty good reputation for their vinyl windows.

I was getting ready to order the parts and install it myself when I read Sammyg's post. Not very encouraging. Doing a little looking on the web it looks like the DIY vinyl, is that what you used Sammyg?, in the states is a different, lighter weight product with different joints than the Windsor brand stuff. Bear's product sounds good but needs a professional installer and by the time you add that I'm guessing you're up in the 550 - 600 bt/m range for the size that will handle our rain storms. Parrot surprised me by getting 10+ years out of cheap galvanized but over all he doesn't sound real happy with it.

So, I'm back to vinyl or possibly a better grade of galvanized but I worry about getting the paint to stick. I know there are primers that say they're for galvanized but has anyone had good luck with getting paint to actually stick to galvanized for 5 or 10 years here? Or has anyone tried the vinyl here?

I'm a into DIY projects and like this idea very much, can you be more specific on the location of this shop^^.

Thanks

[aznyron]

it fine if your a D,I Y. kind of guy but in thailand were labor is so cheap and the people do need that little income they can get from you why waste your time & energy and do it your self JMHO as they say support your local Sheriff

[fremmel]

I like using local talent too - when I can be sure of how the work will turn out or when details aren't important. But my experience with the local help's attention to detail has been, to put it charitably, uneven at best. So, the stuff I'm going to have to look at all the time or that I need to be sure works right, I tend to do myself when I can. In this case, I think the sheet metal guy I used before would do a good job but it would cost me at least 10K more. And I'm not that generous!

Papaguido, the store is a large showroom/warehouse type store that's in the middle of being remodeled. So there's no big sign out in front yet although it does have a distinctive 2 or 3 story high silo like thing in front. It's around 4 or 5 km south of the ring road intersection on the way to Khon Kaen. It's on the right as you're going south and shares a parking lot with a large filling station. Sorry to be so imprecise but it's one of those places I find by just driving until I see it. I'll try to get the exact mileage when I go down there next time. The phone number on the printed quote they gave me is 042-292-288.