English girl facing firing squad in Laos

[ULICK MC GEE]

yes jack i agree i no nothing about aus politics and presumed it was the same as ireland a tad arrogant prehaps and all my info came from reading general media about the case.But i do know some serious talk's went on to stop the death sentence beacuse the repercussion's in aus would be enormous because of the involment of the aus police,now it is very likely the baili cop';s did the dirt and pounced.
by the missreable expression permently on howard's face,i thought he already had entered the house of windsor.

[ULICK MC GEE]

of course they want it to go away,asean games comming up,very positive reaction from most visitors and they want thai's tourism the last thing they need is this,which is why she will receive a light sentence,already british and laos officials are discussing prisoner exchange,she will go home get the best medical treatment free of charge and will educate futher drug mule's,learn by your mistakes and another young heroin addict will be found dead on the piss soaked floor of a public toilet.
Such is Life i suppose.

[Aardvark]

Your still wrong Ulick, 3 of the Bali 9 are still on death row. I believe they have one legal challenge left to them and should they lose they will be executed. No deals, no nothing FULL STOP. By the way, Howard lost Govt because he tried to screw the Workers, nothing at all to do with the Bali 9. Back on topic, so far as I can see there is still no concrete proof that our young English Girl is guilty simply because as yet nobody except Embassy staff have had access to her. Just stay tuned and we will find the truth together

[westerby]

Back on topic, so far as I can see there is still no concrete proof that our young English Girl is guilty simply because as yet nobody except Embassy staff have had access to her. Just stay tuned and we will find the truth together

At last, a sensible statement. Someone else can see through the cr@p that KP and Ulick are posting.

[arjay]

At last, a sensible statement. Someone else can see through the cr@p that KP and Ulick are posting.

Off topic cr@p too.

[BobHelm]

If anyone is expecting an "English style" court with a defendant, a defending solicitor/barrister, prosecution barrister/CPS, 1 judge & a jury of 11 citizens, with the gallery full of journalists then they are going to be sadly disappointed.
As far as I can understand that is not the legal system that exists in Laos as it follows the French legal system. Under this the "legal system" is pretty dam sure that the defendant is guilty (& going to be found guilty) before the trial even starts.
Now people can say this is not "fair" but it has existed in France for over 300 years & they seem to be happy with it. I see no reason why a country should change its legal system because the defendant happens to be foreign - how would English people like it if Saudi Arabians wished to be tried by a Shari court for a criminal offence?????

[westerby]

I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the French system arose from the days of the French Revolution (1789?) and 'The Terror'. It would have served those running the Revolution to cite defendants as guilty and therefore make it easier to try them.

Saudis asking the British to try a defendant under Sharia in the UK? Yes, that would get the Daily Mail readers foaming at the mouth.

[Galee]

Yes, that would get the Daily Mail readers foaming at the mouth. [/color]

Another off topic dig at Daily Mail readers. I thought we had got past this after your apology.
So which rag do you read?, let me guess, toss up between The Sun and The Star.

[westerby]

Yes, that would get the Daily Mail readers foaming at the mouth. [/color]

Another off topic dig at Daily Mail readers. I thought we had got past this after your apology.
So which rag do you read?, let me guess, toss up between The Sun and The Star.

Neither, I read the Daily Mail.

[Pakawala]

I feel it would be very convenient if the Lao Gov't. would just shoot the admitted drug-running lass so we could close this thread and get on with other important matters. [-o<

[BobHelm]

I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the French system arose from the days of the French Revolution (1789?) and 'The Terror'. It would have served those running the Revolution to cite defendants as guilty and therefore make it easier to try them.

Not quite westers. The written laws of France (& a great deal of the rest of Europe) were actually produced by Napoleon 1st. I am unsure how much the actual criminal law rules were changed then and how much has been changed since. Civil law in France was completely re-written by Napoleon & is still used, largely unchanged, by large parts of the world....

[jackspratt]

I feel it would be very convenient if the Lao Gov't. would just shoot the admitted drug-running lass so we could close this thread and get on with other important matters. [-o<

I didn't read anywhere that she is a Muslim

[Aardvark]

Neither have I You haven't been on the Irish coffee this morning have you Jack ??

[jackspratt]

Certainly not Aa

If you read Paka's thread about the Muslims taking over the world you may get the drift

[Pakawala]

So Jack, you have no actual comment on the actual thread you are using... only wish to get a jab in any way you can. How very insightful of you.

[jackspratt]

Get real paka - I have made comments on both this thread, and your alarmist thread on Muslims taking over the world.

[seymourbutts]

Sadly i think this evil b1tch is going to end up living the life in a low security british prison, where she will appeal and claim miss trial etc no lawyer all that bullsh1t and be let out!!!
I dont think there is any doubt of her guilt at all, stop clutching at straws people.. She didnt just get lifted at the airport because she was innocent!! She deserves laos justice, the very fact that she is in jail says she is guilty under laos law so i am right, sorry again... She deserves to spend every minute of her life suffering exactly like parents of the victims of her trade suffer every second of their life!!!
I just want to see some one pay the price for their evil deeds.. i know and if you are all honest you know that no-one pays the price in uk prisons. This in some way makes it right that a person will be getting real punishment served to them, something that is sadly lacking in western justice. Maybe this is why me and others have zero sympathy for her because we take on board the sick, sad, unfair justice system in our worlds where the victim has less rights than the perpetrator.. This to me is what i believe most rational good honest hard working people in england want to see happen, real punishment to fit a crime, and justice for her victims!!! We dont want her in UK!!!
I belive the breakdown in our society is mostly contributable to the politically correct brigade.. Bold statement i know!!! But when i was a kid i wouldnt dare say boo to a teacher, a policeman, an adult. Now the loonies are running the assylum!!!! Its totally wrong that a teacher cant dish out fair discipline for example.. There is so much wrong with my world now because of the pc brigade..... A mother cant give her kid a good hiding any more!!! whats that about you pc lot??? Never did me any harm, in fact made me a better adult!!!
I understand now that the BNP are hotly tipped to have a majority in the european parliament, and taking seats here in england ... Does this not tell the pc brigade something????
A true story happened here (Southport) 2 weeks ago... an East european lady on benefits went to asda and filled her trolley with all the shopping she could get in it, then went to the check out with 10 quid in her hand.. When the shop said you dont have enough, she said im on benefits heres the number of the dhss ring them.. Which they did and the dhss guaranteed payment for her!!!!! Now and this is true an english lady on benefits saw all this and the next day did the same, she was duly arrested by the police for attempting to take goods without the funds to pay for them!!!

What do we decent upstanding people have to do to get into the pc brigades heads that this is wrong??? You are making fools of us every day, this will end in tears i think when the BNP and the like are a force in parliamnet and europe, then we will see about benefits to scrounging economic refugees!!! I sincerely hope!!!
I have always hated what the BNP stands for always thought they were rcists etc , but the sad fact is people like me with these views are now secretly hoping they win and sort out the pc brigade and all the immigrants!!! who knows!!

[jackspratt]

Feel better now you have got that off your chest seymour

Just who are the "pc brigade"? Are they the other side of the coin to the "hang 'em high brigade"?

Sounds like a necessary balance to me =D>

[westerby]

Just who are the "pc brigade"? Are they the other side of the coin to the "hang 'em high brigade"?

I can't believe the ex-pat 'hang 'em high' hysteria surrounding this post. I believe any of us were there when she was arrested so how can we condemn her until the case is heard? Some of you old ladies have obviously not read BM's BBC post above about how the Lao Government is trying to find a way out of this because they know it's not good for tourism, so you ain't gonna see her execution or an extended stay in a Lao jail. Furthermore, the name calling of the defendant (b!tch?) is somewhat petty and rather sad.

I'm not saying the girl is innocent, all I'm saying is wait and see. And as Bob Helm says, respect Lao law and let them get on with it. I get the impression that while a few of you have reached retirement age, you haven't seen a lot of the World, try and be a bit more objective and open minded.

Chawk dee, ladies.

[seymourbutts]

So now westers shes not innocent but we should wait till her case is heard!!!! a shift of position, it was she is innocent until a fair trial only a day or so ago!!!! Ok Jack and westers especially... SHE IS GUILTY!! Iam not making it up it is true!!! Under Laos Law!!! The ONLY law applicable in this sorry case... She is a guilty drug trafficker who was not raped in prison but highly likely to have become pregnant to avoid justice.. What would you call her then if B1tch and scum is too harsh a word in these pc times??? Let me guess, misunderstood, stupid, unfortunate, poor thing, niaive!!!! She WAS caught trying to leave Laos with 680gms of heroin strapped to her body!! Thats the same as a person carrying a m16 fully loaded... Keep wriggling and protesting boys but shes guilty and you are looking and sounding pathetic in your quest to try and impose your (I am the only one right here) attitude on us... People with your attitude will ensure she returns to uk and that NO justice is served here, and frankly an affront to law abiding people...

Why defend her, you are more concerned than her bloody mother is!!!! Give yourselves a talking to!!! Think about good people, think about the victims.... Frankly you are defending a GUILTY person, or you are trying to impose your measure of guilt on all of us.....