Alledged murders of 2 young girls caught.

[ULICK MC GEE]

Muslim's raise their ulgy head once again.
Bush and chenney knew what they were dealing with.thank god for that

[Bandung_Dero]

Jack -- NO Deterrent! WHAT,in your opinion, would be a deterrent against such a hideous crime?

There is one thing I do agree with you -- in this case. Capital punishment is not acceptable. TOOOO easy for em.

After thinking about this for most of the day and getting more enraged about their atrocities IMO they should be placed in adjoining cells (so they can curse at each other) strapped to a rack with an enlarged photos of the slain children glued to the roof. Every time they attempt to sleep or look away a family member of the children enters the cell and tightens the thumb screw attached to one of their digits. The screw is rotated daily, I mean we don't want to appear like complete barbarians. A cup of rancid water and hand full of weavel ridden rice a day (to keep em alive) and just leave em there until they rot or go insane or both.

Thais love this sort of thing so make a live documentry about it. Just thinking that maybe that might deter a future offender.

Sorry, was a Hun in a past life!

[jackspratt]

Dero you have answered your own question - Thailand has (and uses) capital punishment, and it did not deter these two

[jackspratt]

Muslim's raise their ulgy head once again.
Bush and chenney knew what they were dealing with.thank god for that

Ulick, can you please explain how you have come to the conclusion that these two are muslims?

In the absence of which we can just accept that this is another of your fact free rants (ie bullsh1t) that you have made a speciality of since you joined Udon Map.

If you can provide some evidence, I will of course apologise. If you can't, get the body armour on.

[old-timer]

After thinking about this for most of the day and getting more enraged about their atrocities IMO they should be placed in adjoining cells (so they can curse at each other) strapped to a rack with an enlarged photos of the slain children glued to the roof. Every time they attempt to sleep or look away a family member of the children enters the cell and tightens the thumb screw attached to one of their digits. The screw is rotated daily, I mean we don't want to appear like complete barbarians. A cup of rancid water and hand full of weavel ridden rice a day (to keep em alive) and just leave em there until they rot or go insane or both.

BD - cor, calm down fella - you have been busy today... everyone agrees the crime is horrific, but this thread is going nowhere the way you are carrying on, there is no need to spoil your day thinking about it

[Kenn]

maybe if they took all the guns away, it would drop the crime rate,,,,,, that's right many countries already done that, and it still hasn't stopped crime, and in most cases crime actually goes up

When it comes to capital punishment I am on the fence a bit, only because of the few times (which is still too many) that the person was innocent, namely in Texas ( I think it was two they know of or at least admit too)

But if it is a cut and dry case, like video of said crime and or credible witnesses and DNA like evidence... I will go with the Death Penalty

As Jackspratt Pointed out, Thailand does have capital punishment, one of the very few Buddhist countries that do, and yet the crime was committed anyway

So since they didn’t care of the consequences (as long as they are Guilty) sure give them death, and hopefully others will learn, and if not...then you wont have them contaminating the gene pool, and not have to worry about them taking money from the system

[ULICK MC GEE]

Muslim's raise their ulgy head once again.
Bush and chenney knew what they were dealing with.thank god for that

Ulick, can you please explain how you have come to the conclusion that these two are muslims?

In the absence of which we can just accept that this is another of your fact free rants (ie bullsh1t) that you have made a speciality of since you joined Udon Map.

If you can provide some evidence, I will of course apologise. If you can't, get the body armour on.

look at his photo definitly thai muslim
HAT YAI is muslim through and through.

[ULICK MC GEE]

My fact full post did not last long,i wonder why that was.

[Kenn]

Ulick, we get it, you don't like Muslims, as an Atheist i don't care about ones religion, content of Character is what matters, you seem to have non worth talking about, so in return you're not one people want to talk too

[ULICK MC GEE]

Well Kenn i am sorry you feel that way,but as they say "opinions are like asshole's everybody has one"

[beer monkey]

Muslim's raise their ulgy head once again.
Bush and chenney knew what they were dealing with.thank god for that

Ulick, can you please explain how you have come to the conclusion that these two are muslims?

In the absence of which we can just accept that this is another of your fact free rants (ie bullsh1t) that you have made a speciality of since you joined Udon Map.

If you can provide some evidence, I will of course apologise. If you can't, get the body armour on.

look at his photo definitly thai muslim
HAT YAI is muslim through and through.

I agree that in the photos they do look similar to ' Muslim Thai's ' and coupled with the fact they are from the deep south the chances would be high that they were...but that might not be good enough as proof.

[ULICK MC GEE]

Fair enough and if proved wrong i will also apologise for jumping to concluesion's and misleading the forum.
Anyone got body armour going cheap

[Aardvark]

Maybe the children were Muslim too, does that make the crime any better or worse ??

[saint]

Two things saint:

1. I don't believe capital punishment acts as a deterrent

2. many innocent people have been executed in even the most of sophisticated of legal systems

Sorry vlad - my children are alive and well, and I am not going to indulge you by responding to hypothetical scenarios

i disagree jack , capital punishment does stop the aggressor re offending . and with todays forensic science , the chances of killing an innocent is pretty remote . but a point thats seems to have gone way over your head with your concerns for the perpetrators is , what about thier victims loved ones and thier grief ? do you not think these girls parents would feel better and possibly heal quicker knowing thier murderers were also dead ? or do you think they may become friends and maybe go on prison visits , take them food , and chit chat about the good old days when they were neighbours ?

[Khun Paul]

Having read the articles and your posts, there are a couple of comments I feel bound to say.
1 let the Thai judicial system work its way through this case the outcome will be decided good or bad for the perpretrators.
2. Wheh we talk of Forensic science we naturally think of our own in our countries, here it is not neccessarily thre same in fact I know it is not, it is used sparingly, as they seem to rely on confessions being the norm and as someone says we are innocent until proven guilty, well i know of at least 2 thais who weere held in prison for more than four years for a murder they did not commit, in fact they could'nt have committed it, eventually the police let them go at the courts insistence.
3, Whatever the apparant reasons being given for the offence , there to my mind is no excuse for the sudden death of these children, ( whatever their religion) I do so hope that the full force of Thai Law which could be death, is brought to bear on these offenders.

[jackspratt]

i disagree jack , capital punishment does stop the aggressor re offending . and with todays forensic science , the chances of killing an innocent is pretty remote . but a point thats seems to have gone way over your head with your concerns for the perpetrators is , what about thier victims loved ones and thier grief ? do you not think these girls parents would feel better and possibly heal quicker knowing thier murderers were also dead ? or do you think they may become friends and maybe go on prison visits , take them food , and chit chat about the good old days when they were neighbours ?

"Pretty remote" - bingo! Thanks for supporting my arguement =D>

Where have I said I have concerns for the perpetrators?

I have no idea what the parents of these dead children are thinking, and neither do you.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

[quote="ULICK MC GEE,HAT YAI is muslim through and through.[/quote]

It seems in almost every post you make there is a statement that is not backed up by any evidence, and appears more like someone who is not concerned with the truth and the facts.

Indeed, many people say that Thais lie as a matter of course. Even if that statement was true, it could be argued that you out-do them all.

Could you please give us a link to the post that demonstrates 'Hat Yai is Muslim through and through'? I am speaking of demographic and religious proof.

It is my understanding that many Chinese live in Hat Yai and while some of them might have embraced the religion of Islam (as in Malaysia and Indonesia), not all of them would have. There should be Thai Buddhists in the city too.

You have a tendency to spew out incorrect information, such as writing that Margaret Thatcher spoke with an individual of Indonesia, and even providing a quotation from an individual of Indonesia. Of course, Indonesia does not have a individual, which is why it is important for you to provide proof to support your statements.

This is not to say that the criminals in this case are not Muslims, they might well be, but your statement about Hat Yai is ridiculous.

And even if they are Muslims, what is your point?

The Boston Strangler had what religious background? His religious affiliation means nothing. What about the guy who killed all of those students at Virginia Tech, or the young students at Columbine, are their religious backgrounds important?

[jackspratt]

Muslim's raise their ulgy head once again.
Bush and chenney knew what they were dealing with.thank god for that

Fair enough and if proved wrong i will also apologise for jumping to concluesion's and misleading the forum.
Anyone got body armour going cheap

Ulick you made the ugly accusation without any evidence - your ignorance is demonstrable and overwhelming.

Muslim describes a person's religion, not their ethnicity. And Songkhla province, where Hat Yai is situated, is about 75% Buddhist.

If you are going to slur an entire religion based only on your ignorance and prejudices, it is incumbent on you to support it ie prove that you are right. Your post is disgusting

[Khun Paul]

If you are going to slur an entire religion based only on your ignorance and prejudices, it is incumbent on you to support it ie prove that you are right. Your post is disgusting

I agree describing a person by his/her religious views is detracting from the main thrust of the post, the unacceptable death of children for an apparantly unmotiveless reason other than they were there.

If an offence occurred due to religious reasons then it is acceptable to talk about a person's religion but if ( as in this case) not then usiong a catch all religious phrase is unacceptable.
Blanket statements cause hardship and can incite, like saying all catholic priest are abusers ( quoting irish report) that is not true, but it has been said, equally all muslims are extremists, that has been quoted in ther past, but also untrue.

[seymourbutts]

Strangely I think it is about the muslim religion!!! I know religion people say has nothing to do with the crime!! But i think it does!! IF they are muslim then it would add up.... Muslims are notoriously bad to their women folk... Female castration, treating them like animals in a lot of places, Afghanistan, somali, in fact most muslim places... In the muslim religion womens only purpose is to serve their man and give children. They are basically second class or 3rd class depending if the familly have livestock!!! So the murderers would think a lot less of these children as they were girls and maybe if they were boys they would be alive today.... Women or females in the muslim world have less rights than the familly cow so are looked down upon with a rank somewhere below the belly of a snake..Just a thought thats all!!!