Advice needed about an overstay situation

Post by **old-timer** » May 21, 2009, 7:42 pm

fatbas***d wrote:I had a mate OSed for 7 yrs, just paid the 20 k when he left, no big deal.

so, an important lesson to be learned here - if you are going to overstay, make sure it's a long one and get your money's worth........ $\:D/$

Post by **pompui** » May 22, 2009, 2:53 am

old-timer wrote:
fatbas***d wrote:I had a mate OSed for 7 yrs, just paid the 20 k when he left, no big deal.
so, an important lesson to be learned here - if you are going to overstay, make sure it's a long one and get your money's worth........ $\:D/$

I suppose technically if you time it right and come here on a brand new passport,generally 10 yrs before expiry, then may as well go for the full 10 year stretch here in LOS.Presumably Fat bastarde's friend had to scarper before his passport expired.

Post by **Paul** » May 22, 2009, 8:19 pm

With the cost of the annual visa extensions and all the associated hassle of obtaining photocopies, maps, pictures bank statements etc. - surely it would be more economical simply not to bother and just save up the twenty thousand baht for if and when you decide to leave the country. !

By the way - you would be in the country illegally (Technically an illegal immigrant)

I certainly wouldn't like that hanging over my head every single day

And it means you can't apply for a driving licence, a car purchase, open a bank account or even (should you feel really brave) a re-entry permit. LOL

Even WITH the correct visa - life here can be precarious at the best of times - being here intentionally illegally must be pretty un-nerving ?

Post by **UdonExpat** » May 23, 2009, 8:48 am

While at Nong Khai immigration yesterday I had an interesting talk with one of the officers about overstays as the wife had overheard a discussion in Thai among the officers. It was a slow day there.

There is a coming change in overstay rules that would automatically blacklist anyone who overstays more than 40 days. That means they can never return to Thailand. She did emphasize this is a future change and not in effect yet. She did not offer when it would become effective, not did I ask. Apparently there are too many people who ignore the rules because the fines are not significant enough to get their compliance. Hence, get rid of them.

It is always good to take such talk with a grain of salt, but if I was your friend I would not delay departing.

Post by **trubrit** » May 23, 2009, 9:13 am

old-timer wrote:
fatbas***d wrote:I had a mate OSed for 7 yrs, just paid the 20 k when he left, no big deal.
so, an important lesson to be learned here - if you are going to overstay, make sure it's a long one and get your money's worth........ $\:D/$

That could be intepteted as saying 'If your going to commit a crime make sure its a big one' Not really a course of action I would expect to see from you OT.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 23, 2009, 9:18 am

I do not think it even requires a change in the rules in order for them to do this UdonExpat. The rules already permit the officer to do this if he feels it is the correct action. It probably would require some sort of 'nod from above' that this should be standard practice, rather than an exceptional event though.

Post by **rickfarang** » May 24, 2009, 8:20 pm

Simple. Go to Immigration, confess, pay the fine, and hope they don't deport him for stupidity.

Post by **BKKSTAN** » May 25, 2009, 8:23 am

I would guess that the fear of incarceration and deportation is his biggest worry!If it were me,this being Thailand,I would seek out an intermediary that has a friendship with someone in immigration,to ''test'' the water ahead of reporting!because if his greatest fears are now a reality,then he should extend his overstay as long as possible!
It is a ridiculous decision to do a massive overstay to begin with,but that is not the issue here.If the ''test'' relieves his immediate concerns,then report and pay the fine!
If incarceration is inevitable,I would seek options for ''sneaking'' out of the country,then return to my own country.I have no idea if there are any viable options,but I would explore the possibilities!

Post by **BobHelm** » May 25, 2009, 8:35 am

BKKSTAN wrote:If incarceration is inevitable,I would seek options for ''sneaking'' out of the country,then return to my own country.I have no idea if there are any viable options,but I would explore the possibilities!

Without wishing to encourage anyone to break the law....
I would think it would be perfectly possible to catch a boat across the Mekong into Laos (this may be a little 'hairy' now that wet season is with us), make your way back to the Friendship Bridge & then 'enter' Laos as if you had just exited Thailand. I am not sure how bothered the Lao immigration officials are about ensuring that people have 'correctly' exited Thailand, but I suspect they are not - just as Thai officials do not check that you have correctly exited Laos.

Post by **trubrit** » May 25, 2009, 9:25 am

BobHelm wrote:
BKKSTAN wrote:If incarceration is inevitable,I would seek options for ''sneaking'' out of the country,then return to my own country.I have no idea if there are any viable options,but I would explore the possibilities!
Without wishing to encourage anyone to break the law....
I would think it would be perfectly possible to catch a boat across the Mekong into Laos (this may be a little 'hairy' now that wet season is with us), make your way back to the Friendship Bridge & then 'enter' Laos as if you had just exited Thailand. I am not sure how bothered the Lao immigration officials are about ensuring that people have 'correctly' exited Thailand, but I suspect they are not - just as Thai officials do not check that you have correctly exited Laos.

Not very well thought out Bob. You've got a guy who is illegally leaving Thailand having overstayed Then you suggest he commits a further offence of illegally entering Laos.If that boat was stopped, as they often are, for smuggling, then he could face prosecution in two countries. I hear the Laos jails are worse than Thai ones.
What if he wants to come back to Thailand some day? "Oh I see you haven't got an exit stamp in your visa sir" Never mind , off to the clink.rattle, rattle of chains.

Post by **BobHelm** » May 25, 2009, 9:30 am

As I said Val, I was NOT recommending anyone to break the law. However it is possible to enter Laos this way, as I know people who have done so. The chance of detection is there, for certain, but it is not a huge one.
As you point out, re-entry into Thailand would be an impossibility....

Post by **cali4995** » May 25, 2009, 11:06 am

I've also known people who had a 2 year overstay and as their passport had not expired
were able to purchase a departing flight ticket and when processing through immigration
at the airport, paid the 20k fine and left. If you're that anxious I'm sure it's possible to
retain an attorney to check the waters as it were but only if you're fearful of having some
outstanding charge, which would be the only thing I can see tripping you up. Probably the
most sensible thing to do would be procrastinate further pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » May 25, 2009, 11:12 am

rickfarang wrote:Simple. Go to Immigration, confess, pay the fine, and hope they don't deport him for stupidity.

I assume you are saying the immigration counter at departures of an airport. Walking into a processing office eg Nong Khai is not an option, your in the slammer for sure.

DON'T even consider an illegal entry into Laos or the like, if I had a choice I think I would prefer the deportation cells in BKK rather to who knows what in the neighboring countries.

Post by **johntey** » April 29, 2016, 10:28 pm

A friend of mine met with this guy who said works with the immigration which is true with Interpol. The guy took money from him and promised to make a non-immigrant visa for him. It was not yet over stay. The guy stayed with the passport and later brouhaha back without the visa. already over stay. what can he do and what action can he take against the officer? name of the officer and address is as below.

Immigration division 1
General Florian Grote
Interpol Division Commander Asia

Post by **Khun Paul** » April 30, 2016, 9:06 am

Suggest walk into immigration, and sit and talk to the boss he will be interested. The outcome may not be what he want as he tried to circumnavigate the procedures here, but in this case honesty will always be the best policy.

Post by **Aardvark** » April 30, 2016, 2:52 pm

Khun Paul wrote:Suggest walk into immigration, and sit and talk to the boss he will be interested. The outcome may not be what he want as he tried to circumnavigate the procedures here, but in this case honesty will always be the best policy.

Ditto, try messing with the system and you dig your own grave ....

Post by **stereolab** » April 30, 2016, 2:58 pm

Very surprised that the name of an individual is printed here, for all to see. The OP has made only 1 post. An Interpol General, if such a beast exists, will not be needing to supplement his salary using this type of transaction.

Post by **bumper** » April 30, 2016, 4:43 pm

This thread covers seven years, much has changed in that time. They are a lot more serious about overstays these days.

Wonder what happened to the original guy?