Denmarks shame

[RALPHCUSENS]

I have heard the opposite that animals,ie mammals in distress have tougher meat,if adrenalin is released.

dougness, you are 100% correct, have just googled it, and adrenalin does indeed have an adverse effect on the meat!,
I'm glad I said "I'm led to believe"

[Michael C]

It is all really a matter of degree. How does this differ from the beating to death of baby seals or closer to home, the beating to death of harmless snakes? Concerning the transport of dogs from Thailand to Vietnam (fantastic idea- too many feral dogs here), how does this differ from the transport of chickens stacked one upon another? The only difference between those animals used as food is a cultural perception of the animal and which ones we view as food and how much we sympathise with the type of animal.

The rat eaten here is primarily Bandicota indica (Greater Bandicoot Rat- หนุหนา), not a member of the Rattus genus (typical rats). They do taste good and smell good when roasted. Although it feeds primarily on plant matter and invertebrates, it may expand its diet where there is an increased population density. Most Rattus spp., especially the more common species, are generally opportunistic omnivores.

For those that only want to eat ‘farmed’ animals, the large frogs sold at the market, Hoplobatrachus rugulosus (กบนา), are farmed. The small frogs are a mixture of Microhyla spp. and probably have a high internal parasite load. For those that have family members like to eat the highly valued monitor lizards (ตะกวด/แลน) here, they are capable of carrying a certain internal parasite that causes a life threatening disease in humans.

[saint]

i hate to say this folks but there is no pleasant way of killing an aminal , although some ways are more civilised to us humans . even in a registered slaughter house in the U K that are very well monitored by the powers that be , the animal knows its about to meet its death , and will be in distress as soon as it smells the blood , even before its unloaded from the truck . it may then spend all day in a holding pen waiting , before its turned into a nice peice of topside or whatever . the only animal ive seen destroyed nicely was one of my G S D that had its back legs go , i took it to the vet , and as he still had a good bite left in him , the vet asked if i could hold his head whilst he administered the injection , by the time the syringe was empty the dog was dead . no stress , no pain . for the dog anyways !!!!!

[RALPHCUSENS]

Michael C wrote; "Concerning the transport of dogs from Thailand to Vietnam (fantastic idea- too many feral dogs here), how does this differ from the transport of chickens stacked one upon another? "


Sorry Michael, I fail to see how this can be a fantastic idea It does not differ from any other animals transported in this manner!!!! Are you condoning this form of transportation of animals? Three days in an uncovered truck, packed like sardines, with no water or food!!!!!!!!

[trubrit]

Well Ralph sorry to say us animal loving Brits aren't much better. Ever been to Dover and seen the lorries packed with sheep going across to France? Or the ones with emancipated no longer wanted horses. Some ex show or race horses ,others a childs pet, no longer loved or too expensive to feed. Shipped live because refrigerated transport is too costly and the meat stays fresher. I think Michael C was happy to see the dogs off the streets not condoning the method of transportation.

[laphanphon]

I think Michael C was happy to see the dogs off the streets not condoning the method of transportation.

if he wasn't happy, i would be if a truck came to my neighborhood and took all of them to be used as soup or nice pair of gloves. and wouldn't give a rat's ass how they were transported, put them on meat hooks for all i care, along with the owners, who don't seem to care about anyone else, and all the people that feed the damn things. whether pets or soi dog. i don't want to smell all day or hear their dogs all night long.

at the old house i donated about 5 to the weekly truck, good bye, some new warm gloves and dog food or soup meat, there's irony for you, dogs for dog food.

[lee]

It's a shame to see beautiful animals such as the dolphin slaughtered in such a barbaric way. Same goes for whaling too, they are dragged onto the ships and sometimes butchered alive. Unfortunately its very difficult to slaughter large animals like this humanly unlike pigs, cows etc. A quick bolt to the head and they're dead in seconds.

When I was flicking through the channels a couple of months ago I witnessed one of most barbaric killings IMO, a Mongolian farmer caught one of his yaks, cut the skin and pushed his hand into the body and pulled out the beating heart. Apparently it's a yearly ritual performed before the winter, they believe the sacrificed animal will give his family and cattle strength during the harsh winter conditions.

It's a shame about the dog market in Thailand and Laos though I've heard rumours the authorities would like to eradicate it. I watched a program about the dog trade on Thai TV but had to switch it off because it was so upsetting. The way they are caught, transported and the conditions they are kept in were horrific IMO. I think the simple solution would be to teach locals to get their dogs neuted.

[jingjai]

I think the simple solution would be to teach locals to get their dogs neuted.

=D> =D> =D>

[RALPHCUSENS]

Well Ralph sorry to say us animal loving Brits aren't much better. Ever been to Dover and seen the lorries packed with sheep going across to France? Or the ones with emancipated no longer wanted horses. Some ex show or race horses ,others a childs pet, no longer loved or too expensive to feed. Shipped live because refrigerated transport is too costly and the meat stays fresher. I think Michael C was happy to see the dogs off the streets not condoning the method of transportation.

Yes agreed Val, but at least, I think that it was round about 1998, a law was passed in Britain, regulating the number of wild stock transported, and adequate provision for the feeding & watering.

Yes before you all jump, I know this is not Britain.

I do agree, that something should be done about feral dogs (and cats) but I feel strongly that this should be done with kindness.

[laphanphon]

I think the simple solution would be to teach locals to get their dogs neuted.

i'm sure they know, they just don't care. that would be way too practical.

[Ba Bob]

I think the simple solution would be to teach locals to get their dogs neuted.

i'm sure they know, they just don't care. that would be way too practical.

We cant teach people in the western world this either. you would be shocked by the number of dogs, cats etc. put down by pounds, especially around holidays as ppl get rid of their unwanted gifts or just want to go away!

[cryptic]

We are living in a modern world. Mankind needs meat from fish, cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, although some are vegetarian, but not many I would assume and do not rely on red meat. Those meats are cultivated and intended for slaughter.

Some people live in isolated parts and have no access or money to purchase the above, so they rely on local food whatever that may be and that to me is OK.

This ritual thing, killing those sea creatures by the Danes is disgusting and barbaric and those involved should be stoned at every corner and left to rot. I am not like some here and sit on the fence and say, "its their culture", that is crap, it is the wanton slaughter in the most barbaric manner of beautiful animals by crazed blood thirsty savages and thats all they are blood thirsty savages. I thought humans in a proper society had progressed, but this lot are still in the era of pagan rituals.

They have access to meat of properly slaughtered animals for human consumption, there is no need whatsovever for this carnage of beautiful creatures. And lets not go down the path of, 'that cow is pretty or that lamb is lovely, they are accepted as human food'.

And for those people that sit on the fence, well you just sit there and say nothing, because your comments are not worth the paper their written on.

[trubrit]

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I do agree, that something should be done about feral dogs (and cats) but I feel strongly that this should be done with kindness.

Yes strongly agree with your sentiments Ralph but the question remains. How do we solve the problem of these animals causing all sorts of dangers and disease in our streets? I see someone suggested neutering them.Would it be considered "kind" to cut off his knackers. Don't think the dog would think so. In any case there will always be another "intacto "waiting to do the deed. So how about neutering the bitch? Expensive and I would have thought impractical to round them all up, cart them off to the vets, and who pays? You could of course put poison down, but there is a danger to other less unsociable animals, even kids. Kind? Don't think so. Most poisons cause a lot of pain before death sets in.
So I don't think there is a kind way to get rid of them. Also if someone sees them as a source of nutrition. why waste the meat.? So , for me. Its off to Sakhon ,wherever. You can control the means of slaughter, but seriously. Do you think there is a "kind" way to kill anything? I think the problem can only be solved in the long run by educating the people that these are living creatures. By getting one you are taking on a serious commitment that may become a part of your life for 10-15 years, maybe more.It is something that should not be undertaken lightly, nor the expense involved under estimated.My dogs used to cost more than another child to bring up. and I didn't get a childs allowance from the govt either.Of course this wouldn't happen over night, but you have to start somewhere. In the meantime I am afraid its still a bowl for a small one , and a bucket for a big one. Then off to Sakhon or Vietnam. :-"

[saint]

wow , thats an interesting concept !!!!!! writing on paper . accepted as human food ah , by whom ? only us lot . i dont think you could find an eskimo , that didnt enjoy a nice seal pup for dinner , and then make a nice pair of mittens from the skin . i think you need to broaden your horizons a little before you start lecturing any body . whats acceptable to us , may or may not be acceptable to all in the world .

[seymourbutts]

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I do agree, that something should be done about feral dogs (and cats) but I feel strongly that this should be done with kindness.

Yes strongly agree with your sentiments Ralph but the question remains. How do we solve the problem of these animals causing all sorts of dangers and disease in our streets? I see someone suggested neutering them.Would it be considered "kind" to cut off his knackers. Don't think the dog would think so. In any case there will always be another "intacto "waiting to do the deed. So how about neutering the bitch? Expensive and I would have thought impractical to round them all up, cart them off to the vets, and who pays? You could of course put poison down, but there is a danger to other less unsociable animals, even kids. Kind? Don't think so. Most poisons cause a lot of pain before death sets in.
So I don't think there is a kind way to get rid of them. Also if someone sees them as a source of nutrition. why waste the meat.? So , for me. Its off to Sakhon ,wherever. You can control the means of slaughter, but seriously. Do you think there is a "kind" way to kill anything? I think the problem can only be solved in the long run by educating the people that these are living creatures. By getting one you are taking on a serious commitment that may become a part of your life for 10-15 years, maybe more.It is something that should not be undertaken lightly, nor the expense involved under estimated.My dogs used to cost more than another child to bring up. and I didn't get a childs allowance from the govt either.Of course this wouldn't happen over night, but you have to start somewhere. In the meantime I am afraid its still a bowl for a small one , and a bucket for a big one. Then off to Sakhon or Vietnam. :-"

I am in UK now and been here for 2 months now... I have not seen a stray dog at all!!!!! years ago when i was a kid there were loads!! It took many years of diligence and basically culling all strays not claimed or re-homed... It will take century's to do the same here i think... Although there are NO strays in any Muslim village ive been through!!

I saw a documentary on a Japanese town doing exactly the same to a lot of dolphins/minky wales, it was barbaric.. but somehow it becomes acceptable when you say "my familly have been doing it for generations" sort of relinqhishes them of any reponsibiloity of this cruel practice.. i agree with doug yes we should leave it, its not our way of life etc but theirs... however, if they dont kill these animals/fish will the people starve??? An eskimo would, these Danes and Japs are delusional, it is NOT right and never will be right to kill these animals while there are cattle in the fields....

And to top it off the Japs have trouble selling their meat to the local population!!!

i mean why dont they just go to the local supermarket and buy their dolphin steaks!!!

[BobHelm]

cryptic I refuse to see how saying it is their culture & it is their decision is "sitting on the fence". For the rest of your post I very much agree with Saints' comments.
A couple of points...
Although classed as Danish, these people live on Islands in the North Sea probably nearer to Iceland than anywhere else.
The main source of food on the Islands is fishing.
The animals they are killing are pilot wales, not dolphins.
This is used as food through out the winter months. It is not left as waste on the sea shore.

[cryptic]

As for saint and Bob Helm, look at my post closely. Who gives a hoot where they come from, Denmark or Iceland. Dont you think those boats in the harbour maybe able to obtain other meats rather than the slaughter of dolphins or whales and Bob Helm why would that make a difference if they are whales or dolphins.

And that crap food for the winter months, what a load of rubbish, why not store beef/sheep or pigs.

[BobHelm]

And that crap food for the winter months, what a load of rubbish, why not store beef/sheep or pigs.

I would think because none of these particular animals run wild on the Islands cryptic.
Why would it make a difference if they are whales or dolphins?? It doesn't, except those are the facts, simple as that. I have always found when discussing anything that having the correct facts on the matter is a good starting point. I know some will see that as a controversial approach - preferring to adjusts the facts to fit their preconceived ideals....

[Roy]

I will eat just about anything if it tastes good, if a Lassie burger tickles the old taste buds then so be it and the method of slaughtering is irrelevant, dead is dead.
That said I would not wish to cause unnecessary stress to any creature in the run up to ending up on my plate and some of the methods of transportation do leave a lot to be desired.
I also disagree with hunting for sport, killing an animal just for fun is rather perverse IMHO but killing to eat is simply nature.
As for the Soi Dogs, a few truck loads heading from Udon to Sakhon sounds good to me, can they start round my way please?

[Ter]

Whilst disagreeing with the method of dispatch, if most of the animal is used who am I to judge.
Rhino,Elephant,Tiger,gorilla ect Killed for certain parts of their anatomy for whatever reason is wrong.